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Posted: 6/30/2018 12:01:49 AM EDT
What's the best current red-dot/reflex sight option out there for an astigmatism? Price is not a primary concern.
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[#3]
EoTech worked best for my astigmatism. However, with an Aimpoint T1 I can manage just fine with glasses.
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[#4]
It’s very subjective. With my astigmatism, the best looking and most crisp RDS is the post 89k serial number MRO. Aimpoint is terrible for me. 2nd best was EOTech but still nowhere as crisp as the newer MRO. YMWV
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[#5]
Astigmatism here.. I have better luck with prism optics, I understand you said reflex sight but some of the prism reticles vary from simple like a red dot to rangeing like the ACOG. Even have 1x magnification.
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[#7]
With my astigmatism I get two distinct overlapping dots. At 100 yds I can get about 100% within the six inch circle. Not sure if it’s the ammo or me or my eyes but I would not trust shots much beyond that. I personally find that the rds with the circle surrounding the dot are better.
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[#8]
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What's the best current red-dot/reflex sight option out there for an astigmatism? Price is not a primary concern. View Quote |
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[#9]
What's the sight going to be used for and on? I have a pretty bad astigmatism, but most red dots don't bother me as they're not meant for accurate and precise long-range shooting. Good replacements for a red dot would be mainly an Eotech or a low magnification prism such as the 1x prism by Primary Arms or the 1.5x ACOGs that are available.
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[#10]
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What's the sight going to be used for and on? I have a pretty bad astigmatism, but most red dots don't bother me as they're not meant for accurate and precise long-range shooting. Good replacements for a red dot would be mainly an Eotech or a low magnification prism such as the 1x prism by Primary Arms or the 1.5x ACOGs that are available. View Quote |
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[#11]
I have really bad astigmatism and have tried many red dots over the years. the only things that are perfect to my eyes are the vortex spitfire 1x prism optic and my mepro M21 with the triangle reticle. I now have new glasses that correct my astigmatism so my aimpoints and primary arms, C-more and my matchdot red dots work as long as I am wearing them. have you gone to the eye doc? mine let me bring in a red dot and had me hold it out in front of the lens thing you look through and she dialed in different lenses until we found one that worked for me. but I will say that my mepro is on my HD rifle so I don't have to grab my glasses in the middle of the night.
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[#12]
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It will be on an AR carbine and used up to 150 yard engagements. My dot in my Sig Romeo5 appears to be a v-shaped reticle and my Trijicon MRO and RMR06 dot appear to be a horizontal dashes if this helps at all. I have been researching the Trijicon TA44 ACSS but am not quite sold on it yet (seems to be a lot of $ for little magnification). What prismatic 1x optics do you recommend as I am leaning more towards that? View Quote |
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[#14]
^^^ Excellent post. Astig here.
I would only add one little thing to the etched vs. projected part. If you go with a non-etched reticle, don't let other people lock you into "must have dot all the way forward because OMG field-of-view, situational awareness blah." I've shot for decades both eyes open or closing off one eye as needed for a deliberate shot; it is something that can be trained. Depending on your astig you may benefit by experimenting with how is the dot's clarity a slot (or 2 or 3) rearward? The only thing that matters ultimately is that you see what you need to see. See a rifle with a dot at the range? Ask them if you can pick it up & look through it. Try as many as possible. Don't be surprised if the solution ends up being one of those "pay once cry once" things. Good luck. |
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[#15]
My aimpoints look like the biohazard symbol if am too close. Arfcom learned me to mount them as far from my eye as possible. It worked. Mine are on LaRue mounts pushed forward. One is even the cantilever forward mount.
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[#16]
Prismatic
Vortex,Primary Arms, Bushnell for my astigmatism the smaller and crisper the dot,the lesser the brightness, and the closer to my eye the scope is... the less distortion.. |
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[#17]
It may not apply to everyone, but I'm developing a strong theory that reticle shape has more to do with astigmatism than people think.
My astigmatism is bad enough that even on a prism optic I get burst. This only happens with red and not green though. |
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[#18]
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It may not apply to everyone, but I'm developing a strong theory that reticle shape has more to do with astigmatism than people think. My astigmatism is bad enough that even on a prism optic I get burst. This only happens with red and not green though. View Quote If memory serves, your eyes are more sensitive to green than red, so it takes less light output from something green to be noticed, than for something red. So even if they look the same brightness, the red is at a higher output because your eyes aren't as sensitive to it. More light = more blurry. |
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[#19]
For rifles, if you have room to mount a rear peep sight with a small peep hole 1/16" or less, and co-witness with the dot, most distortion will go away. As others have already said, the smaller the dot and the lowest brightness setting will also help. An alternative to BUIS which won't help you on handguns, is to create a stick on peep for your shooting glasses like this.
Get some opaque cling film or a very thin rubber sheet that is tacky enough to stick on glasses. Cut a piece into a circle around 1/2-3/4", and then punch or drill a tiny 1/16" hole in the middle. Stick it on your prescription or shooting glasses in the best location for your dominant eye. This will get rid of almost all distortion on most red dot sights. I've tested it on Aimpoint Micro, Comp C3, and M4, C-More, Trijicon mini Acog and MRO, Sig Romeo 5, and even the cheapest primary arms and bushnell dot sights. I haven't found a red dot that didn't look almost perfect using this actually. You can even see your front and rear iron sights on handguns, as well as the target with clarity. May not be useful for tactical or self-defense situations, but for target shooting it's essential! |
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[#20]
For the benefits of a red dot, the fiber optic illuminated red dots like the meprolight work well like Northpolar mentioned.
Also thanks to him... I have "Atom Bomb Baby" stuck in my head on loop... |
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[#21]
1x prism would be best.
Holosun with acss reticle is the only real red dot my eyes can work with. |
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[#23]
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For rifles, if you have room to mount a rear peep sight with a small peep hole 1/16" or less, and co-witness with the dot, most distortion will go away. As others have already said, the smaller the dot and the lowest brightness setting will also help. An alternative to BUIS which won't help you on handguns, is to create a stick on peep for your shooting glasses like this. Get some opaque cling film or a very thin rubber sheet that is tacky enough to stick on glasses. Cut a piece into a circle around 1/2-3/4", and then punch or drill a tiny 1/16" hole in the middle. Stick it on your prescription or shooting glasses in the best location for your dominant eye. This will get rid of almost all distortion on most red dot sights. I've tested it on Aimpoint Micro, Comp C3, and M4, C-More, Trijicon mini Acog and MRO, Sig Romeo 5, and even the cheapest primary arms and bushnell dot sights. I haven't found a red dot that didn't look almost perfect using this actually. You can even see your front and rear iron sights on handguns, as well as the target with clarity. May not be useful for tactical or self-defense situations, but for target shooting it's essential! View Quote In an 'oh shit' scenario there's not really time to use the flip down/stick on/whatever apertures, but a good set of cowitnessed irons CAN help. Speaking of which, I need to find a set to try on the meprolight at some point. |
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[#24]
Mine is VERY slight and only in my right eye, but it's enough to make a number of red dots a tad fuzzy. EOTech works best for me, looks exactly the same to the right eye as the left, zero fuzz.
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[#25]
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It may not apply to everyone, but I'm developing a strong theory that reticle shape has more to do with astigmatism than people think. My astigmatism is bad enough that even on a prism optic I get burst. This only happens with red and not green though. View Quote But I am starting to think that whatever they changed in the new AR version just might not square up right with my super screwed eyes. Because no matter how I adjust it it's still fuzzy. Won't really know until I get it back though. |
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[#26]
I've had astigmatism for years & it has actually gotten worse lately. I have a Burris MTAC 1-4 on my duty rifle and a new model Vortex Spitfire on my pig gun. This was after finding that no reflex sight worked for me; simple dots looked like a cluster of grapes & circle dots were oblong moving ovals.
Along with astigmatism, I've apparently developed cataracts; I'm scheduled for surgery next week. The doctor says I'll still need glasses but both my nearsightedness & astigmatism will be much better. I'm wondering if I might be able to put a real live RDS on my next gun. And maybe people will quit treating me like a second class citizen just because I don't have mainstream sights. |
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[#27]
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It's very subjective. With my astigmatism, the best looking and most crisp RDS is the post 89k serial number MRO. Aimpoint is terrible for me. 2nd best was EOTech but still nowhere as crisp as the newer MRO. YMWV View Quote So as stated, its very subjective. I would try and test them out out if possible. |
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[#28]
Put the dot in an absolute or center cowitness mount.
Look through the rear sight to use the dot. The dot is a dot again. Remember to go to the lowest setting you can use. Look at the target, not the dot. |
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[#29]
I guess Primary arms has a 1x prism with an etched reticle coming out this month sometime. I think I'll keep an eye out for that!
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[#30]
I have an astigmatism. For me the best sight is either a DI Optical eg1c or holosun with a circle reticle, they are better than an aimpoint or eotech.
Edit: at anything farther than 25 yards or so an eotech looks just as good to me. At home defense distances it looks terrible to my eyes. |
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[#31]
Tell me more about the DI optical.
Is the retical viewable without power? I am thinking about the FC1. But yours is the same. |
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[#32]
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Tell me more about the DI optical. Is the retical viewable without power? I am thinking about the FC1. But yours is the same. View Quote Pros: seem durable and well built Milspec rating from a military contractor Reasonably priced from some vendors. The fit and finish is as good as ive ever seen. (For example the crossbolt fits a rail perfectly with little/no back and forth movement) Cons: short warranty Questionable customer service and warranty support (based on what I read, I should say the one time i reached out to customer support with a question they responded via Facebook within 24-48 hours) My overall impression is that the south korean optics/ products are good but the US importer is a mess, just look at their website, it is so sloppy with tons of incomplete areas. You can get most of their optics cheap on eBay direct from authorized dealers. I was able to pickup a DI EG1C and a RV2 with a Qd mount for $360 shipped. It was a steal. |
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[#34]
Bad astigmatism here. MRO and every aimpoint I have tried looks like a commet.
Acog and eotech = no issues (for me) Rmr = no issues (green triangle, fiber optic and tritium, no battery) Vortex viper = comet, but it's going on my shotgun so no worries |
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[#36]
ive had perfect vision my whole life, im under 30 and I just got my first optic. it was the holosun 503 with the ACSS reticle. for the life of me, I could never focus and see the reticle clear no matter what tricks I tried. I have sent it back, hoping I just got a bad one, but now part of me is thinking I may have an astigmatism. im holding off on the doctor visit till I can try another one out but we'll see.
great info in this thread though! cheers! |
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[#37]
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ive had perfect vision my whole life, im under 30 and I just got my first optic. it was the holosun 503 with the ACSS reticle. for the life of me, I could never focus and see the reticle clear no matter what tricks I tried. I have sent it back, hoping I just got a bad one, but now part of me is thinking I may have an astigmatism. im holding off on the doctor visit till I can try another one out but we'll see. great info in this thread though! cheers! View Quote |
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[#39]
Vortex Spitfire. I find the etched reticle even when illuminated, works better with my astigmatism that any red dot. And, when the battery dies, you still have a reticle to aim with.
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[#40]
go look thru a few prism sights.
Include ones with green reticle. For me, green works - red doesn't. |
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[#41]
I’ve had a few different Aimpoints over the years including h1, t1, comp m3, comp m4s, and pro. They all looked like huge bursts of red. Fine for out to about 50 yards but after that became unbearable.
Picked up an Eotech exps3-0 a few weeks ago on a whim and it’s awesome. The center dot is nice and crisp the outter ring looks a little fuzzy but not horrible. |
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