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Posted: 9/21/2018 7:02:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have to send the rifle back to the mfg to have the pin driven out and redrilled. Shouldn't be too long, but it's not something we can do in-house. We apologize for the trouble. Are you talking about the FSB or the Rear Sight? If FSB, the component itself isn't canted in relation to the upper/rear sight from what I can tell. Hopefully the 'fix' isn't to purposely cant the FSB so it lines up with the POI. If rear sight, I guess it makes sense to have the rear sight drum/post drilled wider so it would allow more windage adjustment. |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 3:44:09 PM EDT
[#2]
Wow they weren't kidding when they said the charging handle was going to be stiff. I took the liberty of a little photo shoot with some gear before heading out to the range.
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Posted: 9/22/2018 6:03:05 PM EDT
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Nice grip Velken.
Here's my BRN-10B currently. Got the three prong FH on. Painted the stock and handguards with Rustoleum Leather Brown. My AR10-style grip is painted in Rustoleum Kona Brown. I still have to attempt a faux Bakelite paint job on the grip. 
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Posted: 9/22/2018 6:26:04 PM EDT
[#4]
Man I'm so jelly
Am I seeing it right that these don't have the cut outs for the carry handle scope? Not bitching, just curious. |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 6:44:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Man I'm so jelly
Am I seeing it right that these don't have the cut outs for the carry handle scope? Not bitching, just curious. 
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Posted: 9/23/2018 12:17:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No standard carry handle scope for these. Think about it - the charging handle would run into the bottom of the scope mount. That is why those sly Dutch used a different forging for the early scope ready AR10's. http://oi64.tinypic.com/11m9jrs.jpg http://oi41.tinypic.com/16lb31x.jpg |
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Posted: 9/23/2018 6:33:04 PM EDT
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@Brownells
Ian at Forgotten Weapons has stated that the BRN-10A without magazine weighs 8 lb 2 oz and teh BRN-10B without magazine weights 7 lbs 14 oz, only a difference of 4 ounces between the two (which mostly has to do with barrel profile) Can you confirm there is only a 4 ounce difference between the two models? He implied his information was provided by Brownells, who supplied the BRN-10A in his review. The Brownells website states 9 lbs for the BRN-10A and 8 lbs for the BRN-10B, and that is quite a bit of a difference on the website suggesting a full pound difference vs. 4 ounce difference on Forgotten Weapons. Thanks! Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 9/23/2018 7:26:55 PM EDT
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My buddy's BRN-10B is 7 lb. 13.6 oz. without a magazine in it.
If that helps anyone. |
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Posted: 9/23/2018 8:12:57 PM EDT
[#9]
Velken you bastard, you won the Internet today!
That is the illest thing i’ve seen all day! Better post photos & groups from your outing! You guys r gonna make me order one. If the BR-10A really only is 4oz heavier, I’ll opt for that instead. |
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Posted: 9/24/2018 9:08:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
@Brownells Are you talking about the FSB or the Rear Sight? If FSB, the component itself isn't canted in relation to the upper/rear sight from what I can tell. Hopefully the 'fix' isn't to purposely cant the FSB so it lines up with the POI. If rear sight, I guess it makes sense to have the rear sight drum/post drilled wider so it would allow more windage adjustment. |
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Posted: 9/24/2018 9:10:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
@Brownells Ian at Forgotten Weapons has stated that the BRN-10A without magazine weighs 8 lb 2 oz and teh BRN-10B without magazine weights 7 lbs 14 oz, only a difference of 4 ounces between the two (which mostly has to do with barrel profile) Can you confirm there is only a 4 ounce difference between the two models? He implied his information was provided by Brownells, who supplied the BRN-10A in his review. The Brownells website states 9 lbs for the BRN-10A and 8 lbs for the BRN-10B, and that is quite a bit of a difference on the website suggesting a full pound difference vs. 4 ounce difference on Forgotten Weapons. Thanks! Sven Manticore Arms BRN-10A: 8lbs 9oz BRN-10B: 7lbs 14oz |
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Posted: 9/24/2018 9:37:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:. The front sight is what we were referring to. We are looking into options to allow more adjustment of the rear sight as well, including reducing the dovetail size and opening up the internal diameter of the rear sight cut. And good on ya for not putting up with wheedling. |
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Posted: 9/24/2018 11:02:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
If you've done a faithful execution of the original design, then ppl are bitching about the original design. You can't fix history. And good on ya for not putting up with wheedling. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:. The front sight is what we were referring to. We are looking into options to allow more adjustment of the rear sight as well, including reducing the dovetail size and opening up the internal diameter of the rear sight cut. And good on ya for not putting up with wheedling. I thought I had heard somewhere else though that they had laser scanned an AR10 upper to use for the forgings? If that was the case, it should be pretty close to the original and not a modern upper. They could fix the short post issue by making the shelf on the front sight tower 1/8" lower. That wouldn't be visually noticeable, and would allow for a taller front sight post for the same zero. I think the main issue is that these were supposed to be rough sighted in at 25 yards before shipping and it appears, with mine and a few others, that they either weren't or were allowed to go out even with the windage being way off. |
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Posted: 9/24/2018 1:55:50 PM EDT
[#14]
@Brownells
I am wondering if you've surpassed AI's production numbers yet. |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 8:13:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
@Brownells I am wondering if you've surpassed AI's production numbers yet. |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 8:49:14 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you've done a faithful execution of the original design, then ppl are bitching about the original design. You can't fix history. And good on ya for not putting up with wheedling. I don't think you fully understand why me and maybe others are not happy with our BRN-10B. It shoots 4" to the right at 100 yards with the rear sight maxed out to the left. No matter how I look at it.... it is a big problem. The rear sight only allows 1/32" windage adjustment, which is barely anything at all... I've seen pictures of the original AR10 rear sight, and it is without a doubt not the same as BRN-10's rear sight. Even Brownell stated the rear sight assembly is 'modern'. To sum it up... at least for my case, and yes, maybe you are not directing your comment at me, the issue I have with my BRN-10B is a legitimate reason for my "bitching". |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 12:36:24 AM EDT
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How were rifles from AI zeroed? Did they make the sight a certain height and then remove material to reduce the height as needed until it zeroed for elevation (something I've seen done for other firearms)?
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Posted: 9/26/2018 12:28:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
@Brownells Are you talking about the FSB or the Rear Sight? If FSB, the component itself isn't canted in relation to the upper/rear sight from what I can tell. Hopefully the 'fix' isn't to purposely cant the FSB so it lines up with the POI. If rear sight, I guess it makes sense to have the rear sight drum/post drilled wider so it would allow more windage adjustment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: We have to send the rifle back to the mfg to have the pin driven out and redrilled. Shouldn't be too long, but it's not something we can do in-house. We apologize for the trouble. Are you talking about the FSB or the Rear Sight? If FSB, the component itself isn't canted in relation to the upper/rear sight from what I can tell. Hopefully the 'fix' isn't to purposely cant the FSB so it lines up with the POI. If rear sight, I guess it makes sense to have the rear sight drum/post drilled wider so it would allow more windage adjustment. Maybe it's better to wait for them to iron out the bugs from the first batch before buying? |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 1:49:29 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like that'll be the "fix". Maybe it's better to wait for them to iron out the bugs from the first batch before buying? Although IMHO it is a minor fix to get it corrected. All they need is to drill a bigger opening for the rear sight to allow more windage adjustment. Small fix that can correct a big POI problem. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 4:36:00 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Wow they weren't kidding when they said the charging handle was going to be stiff. I took the liberty of a little photo shoot with some gear before heading out to the range. https://i.imgur.com/hLm7Ng7.jpg |
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Posted: 9/27/2018 12:24:45 AM EDT
[#21]
Nope, original M1945 BAR belt in OD, from Omaha's Surplus. The Portuguese produced their own copies, sans the US markings.
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Posted: 9/29/2018 1:04:51 AM EDT
[#22]
Where did you and Velkin get your grips? Did you make them?
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Posted: 9/29/2018 2:17:24 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Where did you and Velkin get your grips? Did you make them? AR10-style grip for BRN-10 / AR15 Brownells is coming out with a retro style grip, but theirs looks like it's based on the later Dutch version. BROWNELLS - BRN-10 PISTOL GRIP |
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Posted: 9/29/2018 6:53:06 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I designed the grip, and had it 3D printed thanks to BigRix. See my thread: AR10-style grip for BRN-10 / AR15 Brownells is coming out with a retro style grip, but theirs looks like it's based on the later Dutch version. BROWNELLS - BRN-10 PISTOL GRIP |
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Posted: 9/29/2018 11:25:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
@I-LUV-AR15s What was your grip based on? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I designed the grip, and had it 3D printed thanks to BigRix. See my thread: AR10-style grip for BRN-10 / AR15 Brownells is coming out with a retro style grip, but theirs looks like it's based on the later Dutch version. BROWNELLS - BRN-10 PISTOL GRIP Here's a comparison of the two AI grip versions: http://www.ar10.nl/pistolgrip.htm |
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Posted: 9/29/2018 4:36:18 PM EDT
[#26]
I sent Brownells a NOS Sudanese AR10 grip and it was scanned. Their present grip looks like a good rendition except the original was a composite material.
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Posted: 9/30/2018 10:09:37 PM EDT
[#27]
Thanks. Nice job by you and Rick
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Posted: 10/7/2018 12:48:17 AM EDT
[#28]
@Brownells
Just wondering what the normal repair time schedule is for the BRN-10B. I figure 12 business days would be enough time for a rear sight repair/fix? |
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Posted: 10/7/2018 4:58:00 PM EDT
[#29]
Anyone else shoot their BRN-10 rifle?
How is it holding up? How’s accuracy? Plinking steel at distance? 
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Posted: 10/7/2018 5:46:35 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Anyone else shoot their BRN-10 rifle? How is it holding up? How’s accuracy? Plinking steel at distance? The rear sight only allows 1/32" windage adjustment which is just not enough.... even when all the way to the left, it still shoots 4" to the right at 100 yards. Accuracy was very poor using Malaysian surplus (5MOA) and current production MEN(4MOA). Malaysian typically shoots around 2MOA 10rd group through my Stg58 FAL, and JRA M14. However, the BRN-10B shoots the DAG surplus pretty well, around 2.5MOA 10rd group at 100 yards. Another However.... though the DAG shot good.... it doesn't have enough pressure to fully cycle the rifle, which the rifle will close on an empty chamber as it won't feed the next round.... It will do this 1 or 2 times through a 20rd mag. The charging handle is extremely stiff at first.... I then disassembled the rifle and manually cycled just the CH itself about 50 times, and it got better. As posted above your post.... I am still waiting on the rifle to be shipped back... it's been 2 weeks. |
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Posted: 10/7/2018 7:23:41 PM EDT
[#31]
Thanks for the feedback & bummer about your rifle.
At least they’ll make it right & cover shipping both ways. Early adoption comes with risk...at least they are standing behind their products. Your experience will help many others as @Brownells will try to flow down the fix to subsequent rifles. Cold comfort, I know, but your rifle will be closer to what you were expecting. Thanks again for the feedback. |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 11:08:05 PM EDT
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Quoted:
"Anyone else shoot their BRN-10 rifle? How is it holding up? How’s accuracy? Plinking steel at distance?" I shot steel with it at the Brownells range in August. I don't remember the size if the target but I was rapid firing at 100 yards, standing, using a 4x4 post as a brace and out of 20 rounds I may have missed once or twice. I also hit steel at 500 yards consistently from the bench which surprised the heck out of me since I'm in my 50s and I must use a scope for distance shooting due to eye problems. I was very impressed with the rifle I shot and I have shot original AR-10s. |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 11:37:21 PM EDT
[#33]
... about to be end of the 3rd week since the rifle was received by Brownells.
I have a feeling the rear sight 'repair' might be more like a 'redesign'. |
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Posted: 10/12/2018 10:20:28 PM EDT
[#34]
The Brownells waffle magazines are now up for pre-order.
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Posted: 10/13/2018 9:25:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2018 11:51:36 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOh man! I need one of these AR 10s. I think the Sudanese version looks better but to me the Portuguese has more historical significance. Who is going to be the first retrohead to modify a Brownells into a Portuguese AR10?? |
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Posted: 10/13/2018 6:13:33 PM EDT
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InRangeTV mud tests the BRN-10-A
 Mud Test: Brownells BRN10-A |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 7:45:14 PM EDT
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Did anyone else who've sent in their rifle to Brownells gotten the rifle back?
It's been exactly 29 days, and I still don't have my rifle. They keep telling me the rifle have been sent to the manufacturer, but other than that, no other information.... Just wondering if others have gotten theirs back.... |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:55:29 PM EDT
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Nope, and I'm skeptical about the supposed fix they'll be doing, IE just canting the FSB. I'm thinking I might be better off cancelling, getting a refund, and re ordering some time in the future once they've worked out more of the kinks. They also need to address the very stubby FSB by machining the shelf in the FSB lower.
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:20:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Nope, and I'm skeptical about the supposed fix they'll be doing, IE just canting the FSB. I'm thinking I might be better off cancelling, getting a refund, and re ordering some time in the future once they've worked out more of the kinks. They also need to address the very stubby FSB by machining the shelf in the FSB lower. I am glad I waited now. Maybe the next batch I will get one of each. Ron |
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Posted: 10/18/2018 8:32:53 AM EDT
[#41]
The fact it’s raking his long portends good things IMO.
These fellas may get back slightly re-designed new uppers hat addresses the issues. At least that’s what I’m hoping. |
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Posted: 10/18/2018 1:10:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The fact it’s raking his long portends good things IMO. These fellas may get back slightly re-designed new uppers hat addresses the issues. At least that’s what I’m hoping. |
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Posted: 10/23/2018 5:11:14 PM EDT
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Brownells told me the manufacturer is working on a new design for the rear sight which will prolong the already long wait time(already at 1.25 month) for the repair/redesign...
I decided to get a refund and hope to get the ‘fixed’ version down the road. I really enjoy their XM16E1 clone, but the AR10 didn’t turn out too good from the git go |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 10:27:36 AM EDT
[#44]
Unfortunate to hear, but understandable.
I want to order their rifles next year, but I also want this re-design already implemented. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 3:46:40 PM EDT
[#45]
Let the accessorizing begin!
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Posted: 10/24/2018 4:02:11 PM EDT
[#46]
We apologize for the delay in getting these back out. Our current inventory has been inspected and measures are in place to prevent any front sight cant.
Future receivers will have a rear peep sight with rounded contours that allow further windage adjustment. These uppers will also receive a wider cutout at the peep location to allow drifting beyond the current shaft cutout. For any customers that have not received their rifle back, please PM your order on here so that we can ensure the gun is returned or exchanged immediately. Thank you for everyone's input and patience on this project. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 12:22:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
We apologize for the delay in getting these back out. Our current inventory has been inspected and measures are in place to prevent any front sight cant. Future receivers will have a rear peep sight with rounded contours that allow further windage adjustment. These uppers will also receive a wider cutout at the peep location to allow drifting beyond the current shaft cutout. For any customers that have not received their rifle back, please PM your order on here so that we can ensure the gun is returned or exchanged immediately. Thank you for everyone's input and patience on this project. |
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Posted: 10/28/2018 8:34:12 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this mean that if I ordered a rifle today, it will ship with the re-design already implemented? |
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Posted: 10/28/2018 10:38:44 PM EDT
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When I spoke to the Brownells FFL lady(IIRC, Samantha), she said the redesign is about 1 month.
She also mentioned if I accept the replacement instead of the refund, the FFL department can make sure the replacement rifle will have the updated design. So... although I don't know exactly when the redesign will be implemented on all inventory.... at least from the information provided, I am guessing 1-2 months |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 8:15:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this mean that if I ordered a rifle today, it will ship with the re-design already implemented? |
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