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Posted: 6/20/2018 3:33:34 PM EDT

Hi Guys!

I am planning to build a complete BCM Gunfighter Jack Carbine. I have all of the relevant parts minus the barrel and forearm.

Can anyone tell me the exact specs (a link to it on BCM website would be nice) and forearm comes standard on the Gunfighter carbine? I know it is a keymod rail but unsure of the length and diameter.

Thanks!

Posted: 6/20/2018 8:18:39 PM EDT

[#1]

Not sure if this is what you mean https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M4-Carbine-AR15-Bravo-Company-s/141.htm

Posted: 6/20/2018 9:13:05 PM EDT

[#2]

Are you referring to the HSP Jack carbine?

Posted: 6/21/2018 12:21:44 AM EDT

[#3]

Yes I was referring to the Jack Carbine. I forgot to type that in there. I think I found part of my answer. It is a 14.5 inch barrel but I am unsure of exactly which specific barrel and rail system.

Posted: 6/21/2018 12:45:30 AM EDT

[#4]

Its a geissele rail, heres full specs

https://www.bravocompanymfg.com/TheJack/

Posted: 6/21/2018 12:48:01 AM EDT

[#5]

The barrel appears to be a standard mid length 14.5”, not their BFH (forged offering). Barrel link

As for the rail, it is not a keymod. It’s a Geissele SMR MK1 in 10”. Good luck finding this. I have no link to help you there.

Jack Carbine specifications

Posted: 6/21/2018 9:05:49 AM EDT

[#6]

There is nothing like having the real thing.

Attached File

Posted: 6/21/2018 12:56:38 PM EDT

[#7]

The rail length choice is a bit confounding. It's good but not SR-15 price range good...even with the light and extras

Posted: 6/21/2018 1:02:24 PM EDT

[#8]

Mine will be real but it just won't be gray or have that Haley Strategic logo. :-)

I have to say though, that gray is wicked cool.

Posted: 6/21/2018 1:17:59 PM EDT

[#9]

Ya good luck finding that rail. There is one that isnt original color anymore in the EE for $500.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/WTS-GEISSELE-MK1-Handguard-Rail-10-Disruptive-Grey/159-1770450/

Posted: 6/21/2018 1:32:35 PM EDT

[#10]

I always thought the rail was too short.

Posted: 6/21/2018 1:35:09 PM EDT

[#11]

I see that this rail has been discontinued. Can anyone recommend a similar rail (doesn't have to be Geissele brand) that will pair with the BCM 14.5 inch barrel on the Jack Carbine?

Posted: 6/21/2018 1:53:02 PM EDT

[#12]

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I see that this rail has been discontinued. Can anyone recommend a similar rail (doesn't have to be Geissele brand) that will pair with the BCM 14.5 inch barrel on the Jack Carbine?

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lol

Posted: 6/21/2018 1:56:22 PM EDT

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I see that this rail has been discontinued. Can anyone recommend a similar rail (doesn't have to be Geissele brand) that will pair with the BCM 14.5 inch barrel on the Jack Carbine?

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If you want a jack clone you'd probably want to choose a geiselle. Though i think those are a tad heavy an SMR of similar length is the way you'll want to go.

I had one way back...I replaced the SMR MK1 with the original KMR and never looked back. dropping the 6-7oz off the front of the gun made it so much better.

Posted: 6/21/2018 3:06:25 PM EDT

[#14]

They came with 10" rails but Geissele doesn't make any in that length anymore. You can go shorter at 9.5" or longer at 13".

My preference would be 13" and the MK4 or MK8 would give you a similar "look" to the HSP Jack.

Posted: 6/21/2018 3:07:27 PM EDT

[#15]

Are there other brands with a similar look and design?

Posted: 6/21/2018 3:15:09 PM EDT

[#16]

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SLR may have one that is rounder than the current Geissele ones. I’m a big fan of SLR rails.

Posted: 6/21/2018 4:04:45 PM EDT

[#17]

This seems odd. If you want the Jack carbine then just get the jack carbine.
BCM Jack Carbine on their website
Clearly not in stock and I doubt it ever will be. I'm sure if Travis Haley was doing the rifle again now it would be different.

If you're not going to build an exact clone, then don't sweat the details so much, just build what you want.

The price tag for that rifle never appealed to me, or anyone I've ever met, because there's too many things to change.
I love the color, but I didn't want the Geissele MK1 handguard, and especially at that length. And I wouldn't do a 14.5" pin+weld if I didn't get to pick the muzzle device.
Sounds like you don't even like the color, or the logos, so really what makes it a "Jack Carbine" to you? Just build the rifle the way you want.

Here's a 14.5" rifle I was able to do thanks to BCM and I like it more than the configuration of the Jack Carbine. If I could have gotten cerakoted in disruptive grey from the factory that would have been neat, but not a deal breaker for me, and I don't care enough to take it apart and have it coated.

Posted: 6/21/2018 4:45:17 PM EDT

[#18]

The reason I am building instead of buying outright is that I already have a bunch of BCM parts. The only parts that I don't have are the barrel assembly and forearm. Personally I like the looks of the Jack carbine and just wanted to somewhat replicate it if not exact. Since they no longer make that exact rail system, then I might as well put whatever I like on it, so you are right there. I'll just build something approximate. Being BCM it will be every bit the quality regardless. I have a couple other high end 16 inch barrel rifles and just thought that I might go with something a little different on this one. I do want a mid-length gas system and I really like the BCM muzzle break on the Jack carbine.

Posted: 6/21/2018 9:50:01 PM EDT

[#19]

I have built something similar to what you're looking at. All BCM (MOD 0 stock and grip), Jack Carbine take off bbl and a Geissele 13" MK4 Mlok. I love it!

Posted: 6/21/2018 10:33:04 PM EDT

[#20]

Get a longer rail which will put your light out closer to the muzzle and cover the gas block. You don't want your light to paint your own barrel and muzzle device as it tanks one's night vision. Don't know why they set the Jack up with a short hand guard...

Posted: 6/22/2018 1:00:46 AM EDT

[#21]

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SLR may have one that is rounder than the current Geissele ones. I’m a big fan of SLR rails.

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Are there other brands with a similar look and design?

SLR may have one that is rounder than the current Geissele ones. I’m a big fan of SLR rails.

Todd is good people and SLR is great

Posted: 6/22/2018 1:04:02 AM EDT

[#22]

14.5" SOCOM barrel or EMW, depending on your use, with B E Meyers 249F using BCM 13" or 15" MCMR rail would work well in this situation.

Posted: 6/22/2018 1:26:32 AM EDT

[#23]

Tajas

I like that recommendation!

Thanks!

Is there any downside to the 14.5 EMW fluted barrel vs. the 14.5 SOCOM?

Posted: 6/22/2018 2:12:47 AM EDT

[#24]

I gravitate to the heavier weight barrels for the uppers that I use for full auto, mid weight is a good compromise for me for heavy non auto use, light weight for general use. If a $455 barrel is not a problem for you, I would recommend looking at the Noveske CHF chrome lined lo-pro barrels. I have builds in progress using the 14.5" LCLP, mid, listed at 28oz. 14.5" SCLP, mid, listed at 22oz. The LCLP I will use for full auto, will use a SCLP for non auto. These Noveske CHF lo-pro barrels are about as tough as you can get for SHTF use, decent accuracy, overkill I know. One of my favorite general use carbines is BCM with 14.5" ELW barrel, 6 lbs unladen with Scalarworks LEAP sights.

Posted: 6/22/2018 2:17:27 PM EDT

[#25]

I did a build loosely inspired on the Jack Carbine.
Far from being a clone, but it makes me feel good inside.
I used a Faxon 14.5 Gunner barrel to save weight.
Handguard is an ALG.
Painted in Duplicolor "Coat Cast Iron" color.
Baked in the oven around 300* for an hour or so.
It has proven to be very durable.

I know this doesn't answer your exact questions OP, but may provide a little inspiration for your endeavor.

Posted: 6/22/2018 2:26:15 PM EDT

[#26]

Here you can see how durable the paint is after about 2 years and approx 1500-2000 rounds. At least 500 steel cased.
The brass deflector barely has any marks.
The forward assist area of the upper has a encountered a few wicked gouges because my safe is way overpacked.
It's from trying to squeeze my AKs with metal buttstocks next to it.

Posted: 6/22/2018 2:33:44 PM EDT

[#27]

Wow, that is fantastic. How did you prep the surfaces?

Posted: 6/22/2018 5:16:49 PM EDT

[#28]

Thanks!
Nothing special.
Just scrubbed it with alcohol and heated it to 160* in the oven to make sure it all evaporated before spraying.
I sprayed it while it was still hot.
Several light dusting coats.

Posted: 6/22/2018 5:39:58 PM EDT

[#29]

do they make a girls version called the Jill Carbine? ...for the happy couple that shoots together...

Posted: 6/24/2018 10:44:18 AM EDT

[#30]

I built a near clone as I had most of what I needed. This was when they first came out. Geissele 10" MK 1 but with 16" bbl w/cut-down FSB, BCM comp, ACT etc.

Posted: 6/25/2018 4:13:25 PM EDT

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They came with 10" rails but Geissele doesn't make any in that length anymore. You can go shorter at 9.5" or longer at 13".

My preference would be 13" and the MK4 or MK8 would give you a similar "look" to the HSP Jack.

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Right there with ya; I'd want the extra real estate to stretch my arm out or put irons further out on.

Posted: 6/25/2018 8:44:40 PM EDT

[#32]

Just do a mid-length build with a full length mk4 or mk8 rail. They're much better looking imo and I personally think these are an upgrade from the mk1 not to mention the length just makes more logical sense. The Jack came with a BCM PNT trigger, save that money you'd be spending on the mk1 and just buy an SSA and have something better than a jack carbine.

Posted: 6/26/2018 6:12:39 AM EDT

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Just do a mid-length build with a full length mk4 or mk8 rail. They're much better looking imo and I personally think these are an upgrade from the mk1 not to mention the length just makes more logical sense. The Jack came with a BCM PNT trigger, save that money you'd be spending on the mk1 and just buy an SSA and have something better than a jack carbine.

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The Jack originally came with a ALG ACT trigger.

Posted: 6/29/2018 12:51:45 AM EDT

[#34]

If I remember correctly, the Jack had a Green Mountain barrel.
GM’s 14.5” barrel appeared on their site just after the Jack hit production, and it’s still available.

http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/gm-m19-14-5-5-56mm-midlength/

Posted: 6/29/2018 7:09:23 AM EDT

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... that Haley Strategic logo.

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Thank you. I was scratching my head wondering why a rifle would have half a dragonfly on it. I decided it was made for fairies or something, then I saw your post.

Posted: 7/4/2018 5:01:18 PM EDT

[#36]

Anyone catch the geissele blem sale for 4th of July? There was a black mk1 10in. There was your chance OP.

All the good luck wishes for the OP finding one was answered by uncle Bill.

Posted: 7/4/2018 6:58:13 PM EDT

[#37]

That was strange seeing those MK1's, I got 2 of them, perfect for SBR or pistols.

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