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My buddy’s BCL 102:
Groups: He shot the bottom four groups and asked me to try it out so I shot that one on the top sheet right after. To be honest, we were quite happy that the thing even ran, let alone not shoot minute of side-of-barn. BCL, or Black Creek Labs was previously known as North Eastern Arms, and they did not have a good reputation for producing reliable firearms. The group that I shot after his 4 changed my mind about the company so I decided I wanted one. My BCL 102 receiver set arrived. Two weeks and change from the time I ordered to the time it arrived at my door. Some people have waited the better part of half a year for their complete rifle, only to end up swapping out most of the parts anyway when they customized their rifles. I didn't mind the wait because it gave me a chance to see if there were any bugs in the first few batches, as well as give BCL a chance to work them out. Also, I wanted to see how well these things performed. The proprietary parts that came with the receiver set. I heard the first few batches were missing some of these so those customers got theirs mailed out to them separately. Included was the front pivot pin (no springs or detents for it - those will come from the LPK you buy for it), as well as the bolt catch plunger, the right side of the ambi bolt catch system, an hex screw to keep it in place, as well as hex screw to keep the regular bolt catch (from your LPK) in place. I was pretty impressed with the fit and finish. This surprised me because under their previous name (North Eastern Arms/NEA), they had a horrible reputation for making substandard and poorly finished firearms and firearm parts that were prone to breaking, not functioning, or fitting poorly. This does not appear to be the case with this particular example. I did not detect a significant amount of machine marks, but there were a few minor ones. I personally don't care, but I'm, just reporting what I see. There was a minor blemish above the selector hole in the upper receiver, and there are minor machine marks under the Cerakote by the lip of the mag well. It sure does appear to be a seamless fit. Although it's hard to see, I held a flashlight behind the receiver set and barely any light got through the seams. Another thing I tried was the A2 rifle length receiver extension. As per Midwayusa.com, the product name for this is: DPMS Receiver Extension Buffer Tube AR-15 A1/A2 Stock The one I ordered for my buddy was: AR-Stoner Rifle Extreme Duty Buffer Tube Assembly LR-308 A2 Stock Aluminum Black Anyway, I will have to talk to my buddy and look at his 102 again, because the one I ordered for my buddy was able to capture the buffer retainer, the one I got for myself does not. Fuck. Our friends at Aztec Armouries bring these into Canada for us. One other thing I noticed was the grip screw hole was not drilled all the way through like on AR15 lowers: |
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I also dug out a few spare LPK parts from my spare parts bin so I figured I'd at least install the front pivot pin. Fit like a glove. As I mentioned earlier, the receiver extension I had would not capture the buffer retainer. I may try my buddy's and if necessary, order another one from MidwayUSA. I noticed I was not the only one who experienced this https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1674821-BCL-102-stripped-receiver-set-thread?p=14874930&viewfull=1#post14874930 Ryan from SFRC stated the hole is in the right place so maybe the cerakote is a bit heavy on the back end of the lower. |
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Next was the left side of the bolt catch, basically where I left off last post. Since the other side was done, all I needed to do was drop the plunger supplied by BCL. Next was the spring from the regular AR LPK. Then the plunger for the bolt catch that came with the LPK. The last thing to do is lock it all in place using the screw supplied by BCL (all this could have been avoided....read earlier post)....and here's where my nightmare began. I was careful to give dabs of CLP, but it wasn't enough. Because the hole was so tight, I really wasn't sure if I was cross threading the thing or what. I decided to push through, and the hex wrench slipped. Fuck. A few more attempts to turn it, and it just kept on spinning. What I didn't realize at first was that it wasn't the receiver that was stripped, it was the screw. The hex key was made of harder steel than the screws and I ended up stripping the head, not the threads, that's how tight the hole was. I managed to back the thing out and put it aside. I backed out the screw I installed on the other side, and started to spin it in on the left side. It got tight again, so instead of cranking on it, I tightened a bit, then backed out, then tightened, then backed out, sort of like the same thing as cranking on a muzzle device onto a crush washer. Anyway, I got the screw all the way in, with no issues, but I still had the semi stripped screw for the ambi side of the bolt catch |
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Thanks :) I think I just found an M110 butt stock for sale, how far should I take my OCD? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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In fact, my example was pretty beat up, but it's all functional and nothing was seriously wrong with it apart from being very, very used. So, what makes this thing so special? I have no idea. Can someone please tell me why one would pay $476.88 USD for one of these brand new when not on sale, lol! Anyway, here are some of my observations, there is probably more, but maybe someone else with more experience can chime in. View Quote |
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Because it says "KAC" on it. View Quote But yeh, a fool and my money were easily parted when a chance to get this stoxk came up. For the same price, I probably could have found a used PRS stock, which I understand have found their way on current M110s. But for me, this stock is synonymous with the Mk11/M110 :) |
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Quoted: Lol, I wish it said KAC on it, and I suppose that would make me feel better, but KAC didn't even have the courtesy to adorn this stock with their logo, at least not anywhere I've been able to see. But yeh, a fool and my money were easily parted when a chance to get this stoxk came up. For the same price, I probably could have found a used PRS stock, which I understand have found their way on current M110s. But for me, this stock is synonymous with the Mk11/M110 :) View Quote |
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I learned recently that Field Drab also matches closely to Coyote Cordura
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Testing out my BCL 102 with Ballistic Advantage 6.5cm barrel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4WAIAKZ0L8&lc=z22tvbhaxnmehzejz04t1aokgaznev5txiu15j0oavexrk0h00410 Testing out my BCL 102. I wasn't sure if the thing was going to kaboom or not (hence the gloves and eye pro). Seems to be cycling fine now. I managed to shoot 4 groups before the Armalite bolt catch sheared. Armalite bolt catch on the right, a Norinco on the left I've read that Armalite bolt catches have been known to break, even during the US miltary's SASS trials. Anyway, I installed a filthy commie one from a Norinco, hopefully they are made of the same steel as their receivers and share the same strength qualities. The groups weren't outstanding, but I'd say they weren't horrible for a semi-auto. I'd say about 1moa-1.5moa. The reason I say not great is because I shot .65moa with my buddy's rifle, but the reason could be any number of things. First, I was more comfortable behind his rifle. His scope was mounted a bit further forward, resulting in a comfortable view behind the glass. Second, his rifle had probably seen more than 100 rounds, so his barrel was nicely broken in. Third, I could just be a really lousy shooter and was just lucky, lol! Anyway, let's hope the Norinco bolt catch holds up and maybe Wolverine Supplies will have some good news about broken Armalite bolt catches. |
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Armalite bolt catches dont break that often, older stuff maybe, but not the newer stuff.
I dont think thats an Armalite bolt catch, as its not marked. Possible they didnt mark the stuff for you Canadians, but I dont think thats the case. I think you might have gotten a knock off part. All the AR10A bolt catches Ive seen from Armalite, were marked AR10A. But I obviously havent seen them all, but I imagine they did this early on to keep their gorillas in the shop from fucking up. There was a ton of info to go over, so I may have missed if you have an adjustable gas block or not. 6.5CM benefits from them more than 308, so might be worth a looksee. |
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I havent built an AR-10 rifle myself, but when i was doing research for my AR-15 I remember coming across multiple recommendations that you should use a specific AR-10 Bolt Catch. The BCG for an AR-10 has more mass, and may be moving at higher speeds. Switching to a specific AR-10 bolt catch may keep that worry out of the back of your mind.
Btw, the new ("old") stock looks 10x cooler than the first one you installed. Keep it up. |
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I read about the Armalite bolt catches breaking on another forum, so I could just be regurgitating garbage for all I know:
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LR-308 ArmaLite http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/3...tch_broke.html I've seen it on ArmaLite's overseas that were suppressed. Like I said, suppressed use seems to be the biggest exacerbator of the problem, but it happens unsuppressed too. If I remember correctly, ArmaLite's broke during the SASS trials. View Quote Well anyway, the world of AR10/AR308s sure is interesting, so much to learn :) |
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I havent built an AR-10 rifle myself, but when i was doing research for my AR-15 I remember coming across multiple recommendations that you should use a specific AR-10 Bolt Catch. The BCG for an AR-10 has more mass, and may be moving at higher speeds. Switching to a specific AR-10 bolt catch may keep that worry out of the back of your mind. Btw, the new ("old") stock looks 10x cooler than the first one you installed. Keep it up. View Quote |
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That bolt catch sheared because its an AR15 bolt catch. You got an M15 LPK, not an AR10 LPK.
AR15 catches will definitely shear. Armalite or not. PM me, I might be able to help you out. |
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There have been alot of attempts to use all AR15 lower parts in the 308, but the pivot and tkae down pins, and bolt catch always need to be different.
Maybe those super catches made frmo S7 Tool steel might work, but I imagine that would beat the hell out of the lower receiver. Eventually causing an issue thats not repairable. Much better to have a bolt catch break, because gun still works just fine without it. |
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His is a 308 bolt catch. Notice the size difference.
Yours is a puny little thing compared to his. Just cannot withstand the force of the large BCG. Gonna shear every time within 100rds. |
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His is a 308 bolt catch. Notice the size difference. Yours is a puny little thing compared to his. Just cannot withstand the force of the large BCG. Gonna shear every time within 100rds. View Quote |
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Any excuse to post new pics.
I ordered some 5/20 AR308 magazines for it. Some of the BCL 102s came with these from SFRC however I only bought a stripped receiver set so mine didn't come with any magazines. These are pinned from the factory for legal Canadian use and it's free shipping from Zahal. These took FOREVER to get, but I think when I ordered these, they were out of stock and didn't even have them up on their website. It seems like they have them up on their website now: https://zahal.org/product/e-lander-ar-10-7-62x51-308-riveted-5-20-rounds-magazine-canada-compliant/ If they work, I might order more of them. They at least fit into the magwell and seat properly. Will have to find some time to see if they will feed rounds without any issues. |
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