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Posted: 6/10/2018 12:49:08 PM EDT
| Anybody know a smith willing to do these? Anyone got one or pictures of one? I have a buddy that wants to do one. |
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Stop that. Stop that right now. Send me your A1 upper and address. I will mail you a new Colt M4 upper receiver in return. Conversion complete. |
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Whoah! Easy Dave.  That said, I can honestly say during my whole time in the service, I never saw one of the flattop modified rifles, I heard about them, but never ran across one. Of course if I wanted to do something like that, I would probably find one of the reproduction uppers and do it. But I don't like modifying guns, love them in their natural state. |
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Quoted: Why? This is the restro section, cutting up good uppers and telling us about it is bad juju! That said, I can honestly say during my whole time in the service, I never saw one of the flattop modified rifles, I heard about them, but never ran across one. Of course if I wanted to do something like that, I would probably find one of the reproduction uppers and do it. But I don't like modifying guns, love them in their natural state. 
But really I do like goofy period builds, and I love cheesy 80s guns in general. I wouldn't think twice about chopping up a brownells upper. |
| Are those mounts for sale |
| That's cool in a warped sort of way. |
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OP is right. I too am collecting parts, for a "gunsmith hard times" style 80's AR9.
Mine is having a 16.1" can with radiator hose heat shield with modern guts. And I have the same as pictured, 80's UltraDot. My upper is going to be modded for that red dot. Why ? The Gunsmiths of yesteryear pushed the envelope back then... So we could have it easy today. And they look Bad Ass  .
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Quoted: +1 Get one of these instead https://556tactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/RRA_Forged_UTE2_Upper1.gif (And I have one listed in the EE now). 
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Quoted: +1 Get one of these instead https://556tactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/RRA_Forged_UTE2_Upper1.gif |
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somewhere I have a Colt SP1 upper that was chopped, someone ground off the entire charging handle, and attempted to glue, and screw, a weaver rail to it, needless to say, it did not work, been tempted to find a good welder and have it welded on, and use as a dedicated 22 upper, but never got around to it, dude hacked off the FSB as well, but I had a replacement and sold the barrel off, back then flat top's were not available, so the gotta have a scope guys got out the hacksaw (Carry mount scopes are a bit high,,,, but yall know that) |
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JD Jones SSK Industries
I actually spoke to them back in the day about doing that conversion |
| I have to admit.......I just cried a bit |
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They pop up for sale from time to time.
The first so-called space gun I ever saw was about 1988 or so, and it had a Redfield International rear sight bolted up to the carry handle with some kinda adapter block for a base. It was a laser at 200 & 300 yards but fast-twist barrels and heavy bullets hadn't come along yet so it gave back at 600 much of what it had gained at the short lines. He was using a no-trap A1 butt stock with a 30" long heavy barrel and it didn't balance very well for off-hand, but you could see he was on to something........ |
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Quoted: Guns are like cars. Stock sucks
But really I do like goofy period builds, and I love cheesy 80s guns in general. I wouldn't think twice about chopping up a brownells upper. Stock is awesome, they still work. But someone trying to be unique messing it all up, now that actually sucks
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Wrong. Stock is awesome, they still work. But someone trying to be unique messing it all up, now that actually sucks
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Quoted: Nah, that wrong year, 6 cylinder duster was never awesome until it had homebuilt 80s drag suspension, a big block and a vintage racing pedigree That slant six in a Duster was a solid platform that lacked on "performance" but made up for it in endurance and ease of maintenance. Now of course it was a MoPar uni-body product so the body would rust right off the frame here in salty gulf coast Florida but the drive train would keep going forever!
M1D Garand is more accurate than a "stock" production line M1 Garand but the ole plain Jane gets the job done! MoPars don't go far but it's better than no car! |
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+1 Get one of these instead https://556tactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/RRA_Forged_UTE2_Upper1.gif Quoted:
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People who cut up A1's and others like this should burn in hell!  Get one of these instead https://556tactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/RRA_Forged_UTE2_Upper1.gif 
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| Weaver mount attached with screws from underneath and maybe jb weld found that info on a blade forum |
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Not 1980s but original old school 1960s Vietnam use. "Atop SOG's top-secret Leghorn outpost Sergeant First Class J.D. Bath takes aim with his 'flattop' M16. Its distinctive carryhandle/sight removed and an M84 scope mounted this SOG M16 may have been the first 'flattop' receiver." 
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Not 1980s but original old school 1960s Vietnam use. "Atop SOG's top-secret Leghorn outpost Sergeant First Class J.D. Bath takes aim with his 'flattop' M16. Its distinctive carryhandle/sight removed and an M84 scope mounted this SOG M16 may have been the first 'flattop' receiver." https://preview.ibb.co/gb669d/IMG_2700.jpg https://preview.ibb.co/fp22hy/IMG_2701.jpgl |
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Quoted: I bet Braceman or John Thomas could do it. It would be a great way to save it and put it to good use. |
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In the 80s I worked for a gun shop that would do these conversions on occasion. There were not many scope options back then and guys that were experimenting with the AR15 for accuracy were forced to try things like this. Sometimes they were laughed at - this was the era of M1 Garand and M14 ruled the ranges and the AR15 was regarded as inaccurate all the way around. We owe much to the early year guys that chopped ARs to find out what worked and didn't with the system and take it to where it is today. Chop a what was then nearly ubiquitous upper was at the time not seen as a waste - it was experimental with what was widely available. One machinist I now actually machined his own Aluminum rail and had it professionally welded it to a milled off A1 - he had access to aerospace fabrication equipment and expertise. There was probably a huge amount of labor hours into what is now equivalent to a $39 upper. He later converted it to a Rhino piston - an early piston conversion. Sinful by todays standards, but they were trailblazers in their own right. |
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