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“That's a nice group from the bench. Now let’s see you hit a grapefruit at 50 yards offhand.” (Page 5 of 9)
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Originally Posted By bigbore:
I was thinking more like a 6" grapefruit, and with the first shot. Next time a group of friends are together, pin up 6" balloons at 50yds, and see how many can hit it with the first shot. The "baloon drill" is one I run for a group of us who get together monthly. Get your guys in a single file line, 1st takes the shot and if he missed the next guy up takes the shot and so on until all the balloons are broke. Dont take your time, step up and shoot. I bet 8 out of 10 people on this fourm would miss with the first shot. Sounds like fun. |
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I was at the "pit" last session and was routinely flipping CDs (just under 5 inches) at about 75 yards with my 10 22 and 15 22 (both with scope –– but the original said "with any sights") unsupported –– no problem. I'll try it next time with my LAR 15 –– but I didn't try it last time (and do not hold out a lot of hope either) because it has a 24 " bull barrel and weighs about a ton, I have trouble lifting it let alone aiming.
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I should've taken the test sooner in the range trip. I was already drenched in sweat by the time I tried the challenge. The first 20ish rounds are with the Vortex SPARC and ended up low from it being sighted at 100 and me forgetting to compensate. The rest are with irons, and I remembered to put the post higher.
I made myself feel better afterwards by destroying a Targetz fly target with the benchrest AR.
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Originally Posted By james1058:
I'm sooo disappointed, here I was expecting blown up fruit! Someone blow a watermelon up or something
Not an Ar but check out the "Shattermellons" video other videos there are ok too I have taken my daughter out to shoot with me, we stopped by the store and bought some coconuts, pineapples, cantaloupes, watermelon and a bag of apples. With several different weapons, including the AR, we preceded to destroy the produce. I will have to say the DE 44 mag done the best work on the watermelon. Range was 25-50 yards. Not all were 1st hit shots but it made for a fun day plus showed my daughter how devastating each caliper was. I blow up watermelons, coconuts, pineapples etc. with my Arsenal SGL-21 w/ Wolf military classic hollow point loads and it is epic to say the least isn't it?! Hollows really explode fruit from long ranges As for the OP thats how i learned how to shoot, i first started shooting my 16" ARs offhand (standing) in the deserts of ARizona w/ irons so i could do it fo sho 
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Went to the range today and thought of this thread.
Not a grape fruit but... 6"x8" steel plate at 100 yards. Unsupported, standing, irons, PMC Bronze. First shot was dead center, second was high right, third was low left off the plate when I sent it. 
Didn't get a picture of me standing but this is my buddy on the same range. (my tool is on the right) 
It was a fun challenge. Wasn't sure I was going to get it but it turns out the Marine Corps taught me right. |
Saw this thread the other night and had to try the challenge myself. Both groups where shot from the standing, off hand position, squared up on the targets which where 50 yards away. I used the rifle pictured and shot 55gr PMC ammunition. The five shot group on the left was shot with iron sights while the group on the right was shot with the Aimpoint. All shots hit the grape fruits and these represent the first 10 shots of the day for me.
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Originally Posted By Konstanty:
Originally Posted By MoonDancer:
With 54 year old eyes, iron sights are problematic at best. That's funny, my 63-year-old eyes with bifocals have no problems with irons. Well good for you, but MoonDancer's problem is quite common with middle aged shooters. |
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Originally Posted By Azalin:
Saw this thread the other night and had to try the challenge myself. Both groups where shot from the standing, off hand position, squared up on the targets which where 50 yards away. I used the rifle pictured and shot 55gr PMC ammunition. The five shot group on the left was shot with iron sights while the group on the right was shot with the Aimpoint. All shots hit the grape fruits and these represent the first 10 shots of the day for me. http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b435/FWThompson/DSC00853.jpg Is your iron sight not zeroed the same as the Aimpoint? |
| The left target is upside down. Irons and optics have the same zero. I find that standing, squared up on the target, shooting at 50 yards without support makes it hard for me to consistently place the holes in the exact same position when transitioning between targets. |
Forgot all about this thread . . . . I'll have to get outside and try my baby out at 50yds |
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Here ya go. Give it a whirl;
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/619213__OFFICIAL_ARFCOM_AR_NON_MOA__SHTF__CHALLENGE__.html |
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Originally Posted By ColdBlood:
I use Coke cans at 50 yds, no magnification. I shoot so often on my property that it's not a problem for me, but a lot of guys struggle with that shot. I can't shoot groups for shit, though...too impatient.  Same here but me and some buddies use skunked beer in cans and get out to about 75 yards with irons sights. My Sig M400 enhanced is deadly at that game |
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Fucking awsome shit right there! 
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Originally Posted By joshdb50:
nice rifle...but a4's have a a2 front sight assembly...not a flip up...they also do not have that fancy slip ring. It's an A4. I think you got it backwards and are referring to the FS base being a bolt-on rail base. It did have when I got it but ADCO helped me out with the front end and pinned on the A2 FSB. Here it is pre-A2 FSB. 
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Originally Posted By joshdb50:
I never got issued an A4 with a flip up front sight. EVER. I'm missing your point. What rifle are you referring to? Neither the factory original rifle nor the rifle as it is set up now have a flip-up front sight. |
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Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
The rifle in his picture does not have a flip up front sight Correct. Not now, not before, not ever.
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Originally Posted By EVR:
Correct. Not now, not before, not ever. Originally Posted By EVR:
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
The rifle in his picture does not have a flip up front sight Correct. Not now, not before, not ever. I think he was referring to OPs rifle. I'll have to see if I can do this challenge next time I get out to shoot. |
Originally posted by broken_reticle:
"Second thing I learned on ARFCOM was to never google anything suggested. Ever.
Because the first thing I learned on ARFCOM was what a blue waffle was."
"Second thing I learned on ARFCOM was to never google anything suggested. Ever.
Because the first thing I learned on ARFCOM was what a blue waffle was."
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Good grief I just went thru the thread.
10 cotton pickin pages and maybe what 4 or 5 actual shot targets? Wow. With thousands of members, I wonder what percentage of the folks here ever pop a cap...? |
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Originally Posted By viator:
Shoot a paper grapefruit? Don't you guys have hedge apples? Plus, they 'splode when you hit 'em. Reactive targets FTW.  What post number is your entry on?
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Originally Posted By SGL_Shooter:
I'll have to see if I can do this challenge next time I get out to shoot. If you like to shoot, here are a couple more. They are a lot of fun. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/619213__OFFICIAL_ARFCOM_AR_NON_MOA__SHTF__CHALLENGE__.html |
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| I shot this on a 25 m zero target today. Group was 4.4" with all rounds in a 2.5" radius of center but the group looked embarrassing. I shot it off the cuff at a pretty fast cadence on the way to 100 yd targets with a 16" hbar configured spr with my atlas bipod out front. Gun was heavy and not very offhand friendly. |
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Originally Posted By Green0:
I shot this on a 25 m zero target today. Group was 4.4" with all rounds in a 2.5" radius of center but the group looked embarrassing. I shot it off the cuff at a pretty fast cadence on the way to 100 yd targets with a 16" hbar configured spr with my atlas bipod out front. Gun was heavy and not very offhand friendly. Isn't the point to post the targets? The only way these "Challenges" are productive is if guys post their results. It is especially helpful to beginners to see what the gamut of targets shot by others looks like. |
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Originally Posted By Newtothisthing:
That's why I'm glad we shoot standing sitting and prone every year. 300 standing is pretty fun but you'd be surprised how many Marines actually suck at shooting... I think you should rephrase that "shooters" instead of "Marines". As for Marines, you might be right, but there is a reason The Bench Rest is the Golden Calf Idol of the American Shooter. Even the insurance companies agree; we all know how many ranges all over the USA limit shooting to rifles in contact with the bench. I have a thousand-meter range on the ranch and we rarely use a bench rest. However, I do not consider myself a very good standing shooter because I do not do it enough. I shoot mostly from sitting as it is the most practical field position for me and I kill thousands of varmints. Watch a guy that can really shoot from off his hind legs and it is a marvel to behold. There are a few that can. |
What are the Rosary, the Cross or the Crucifix other than tools to help maintain the fortress of our faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God?
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Originally Posted By EVR:
I think you should rephrase that "shooters" instead of "Marines". Originally Posted By EVR:
Originally Posted By Newtothisthing:
That's why I'm glad we shoot standing sitting and prone every year. 300 standing is pretty fun but you'd be surprised how many Marines actually suck at shooting... I think you should rephrase that "shooters" instead of "Marines". Nope I mean Marines... I see it every year I shoot 339 give or take every year out of 350 total points.. I qualify high expert and I still see Marines who can't shoot at all.... Like they barely pass by one or two points which is sad. The A4 with a 4xACOG is the most simple thing to shoot with all the way to 500 yards it's easy for me to put 10 shots in a group just larger then a coconut at 500 I've even seen people qualify with a m4 a high expert I just guess some people didn't pay attention in boot camp when they got taught the fundamentals lol. Btw I'm stationed on camp Lejeune |
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Originally Posted By EVR:
Isn't the point to post the targets? The only way these "Challenges" are productive is if guys post their results. It is especially helpful to beginners to see what the gamut of targets shot by others looks like. Originally Posted By EVR:
Originally Posted By Green0:
I shot this on a 25 m zero target today. Group was 4.4" with all rounds in a 2.5" radius of center but the group looked embarrassing. I shot it off the cuff at a pretty fast cadence on the way to 100 yd targets with a 16" hbar configured spr with my atlas bipod out front. Gun was heavy and not very offhand friendly. Isn't the point to post the targets? The only way these "Challenges" are productive is if guys post their results. It is especially helpful to beginners to see what the gamut of targets shot by others looks like. I described the target. If I posted it, it would look exactly like that. |
“That's a nice group from the bench. Now let’s see you hit a grapefruit at 50 yards offhand.” (Page 5 of 9)
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