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Originally Posted By urbanredneck: @keith13b Were you given an opportunity to correct it? Originally Posted By urbanredneck: Originally Posted By keith13b: I had my receiver marked 5.56 and submitted as 300. It was rejected. I think it depends on the reviewer. @keith13b Were you given an opportunity to correct it? |
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Originally Posted By urbanredneck: I've seen a few disapproved threads on varying forms. Sure doesn't seem like anyone is getting an opportunity to fix things. Originally Posted By urbanredneck: Originally Posted By Wandell: I have not read anything that says you can efile for ATF approval without submitting photos of the lower receiver stampings. That is an absolute must. Also, the ATF will notify you if they see an issue and give you the opportunity to fix it. A lot of people never mention this. I had an issue where the ATF could not see my "responsible persons" form, which is necessary when filing as a trust. My examiner gave me 48 hours to correct the issue. Within a couple minutes of emailing him back saying I corrected the issue, I began receiving approvals. I've seen a few disapproved threads on varying forms. Sure doesn't seem like anyone is getting an opportunity to fix things. Silencer Shop is telling me that the form 1 must be submitted as individual rather than a trust to qualify for the $200 tax exemption. |
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Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1: Silencer Shop is telling me that the form 1 must be submitted as individual rather than a trust to qualify for the $200 tax exemption. Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1: Originally Posted By urbanredneck: Originally Posted By Wandell: I have not read anything that says you can efile for ATF approval without submitting photos of the lower receiver stampings. That is an absolute must. Also, the ATF will notify you if they see an issue and give you the opportunity to fix it. A lot of people never mention this. I had an issue where the ATF could not see my "responsible persons" form, which is necessary when filing as a trust. My examiner gave me 48 hours to correct the issue. Within a couple minutes of emailing him back saying I corrected the issue, I began receiving approvals. I've seen a few disapproved threads on varying forms. Sure doesn't seem like anyone is getting an opportunity to fix things. Silencer Shop is telling me that the form 1 must be submitted as individual rather than a trust to qualify for the $200 tax exemption. Unless the pistol was on your trust by 1/30 they’re correct. |
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Originally Posted By s4s4u: 3) simply remove the brace, and get rid of the brace. Correct? (Looks like the best option) It is the simplest option. Nothing else required to be compliant. I have another pistol that has a cheek rest Is this the Thordsen Device? They have a letter from way back from AFT that said their device was not a "stock". They have asked for additional clarification in light of the new rule but as of a couple weeks ago hadn't received a reply. Does the classification change, if it's a pistol tube vs. a rifle tube? AFT has indicated that any device that houses the buffer that is longer than necessary for function of the action would be considered an "aid to shouldering" and verboten. A 6 - 6-1/2" length has been tossed around as the propper "legal" length for a round "pistol" buffer tube. The standard adjustable buffer tube that your brace is currently attached to is fine as is and doesn't need to be replaced, however. God I hate these changing laws. Especially the unconstitutional ones  Thank you for this, I came to ask essentially the same thing. |
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Originally Posted By urbanredneck: @keith13b Were you given an opportunity to correct it? Ironically, I have another early approval with the calibers not matching. So, to me, that says it is reviewer discretion on denials. This whole thing is a train wreck. My PSA to everyone is to make sure everything matches, as my approvals are all over the place. If my denial came after May 31, I wouldn't be able to fix it and would have to pay for the stamp. This is not a normal Form 1 process. You do not get an opportunity to correct, it is a denial and you go back to the end of the line and start over. |
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Originally Posted By USMA-1982: Curious how that situation could even be corrected. Seems like he would need a different lower marked "Multi" to go with his 300 upper. Originally Posted By USMA-1982: Originally Posted By urbanredneck: Originally Posted By keith13b: I had my receiver marked 5.56 and submitted as 300. It was rejected. I think it depends on the reviewer. @keith13b Were you given an opportunity to correct it? |
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Originally Posted By nod005: It is really a huge cluster. For those of use that submitted in early February and haven't heard a peep will be screwed if our submission was messed up. I guess we will be promoted to felons. You can resubmit via a paper Form 1 after May 31st if you get denied. |
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Originally Posted By keith13b: Nope. Fortunately I submitted early and got the denial in 3 or 4 weeks. I was told to re-submit from scratch and include the old control # in the digital documents train stop. I re-submitted with a photo of the barrel roll marks (and the rejection control # page) and it was denied again for the same reason (~5 weeks from re-submission), so I re-submitted a third time with the calibers matching, so I'm sure It'll be months out before any approval. I have the same caliber (5.56mm) barrel on another registered and stamped SBR, so I'll jump through their hoops. Ironically, I have another early approval with the calibers not matching. So, to me, that says it is reviewer discretion on denials. This whole thing is a train wreck. My PSA to everyone is to make sure everything matches, as my approvals are all over the place. If my denial came after May 31, I wouldn't be able to fix it and would have to pay for the stamp. This is not a normal Form 1 process. You do not get an opportunity to correct, it is a denial and you go back to the end of the line and start over. Originally Posted By keith13b: Originally Posted By urbanredneck: @keith13b Were you given an opportunity to correct it? Ironically, I have another early approval with the calibers not matching. So, to me, that says it is reviewer discretion on denials. This whole thing is a train wreck. My PSA to everyone is to make sure everything matches, as my approvals are all over the place. If my denial came after May 31, I wouldn't be able to fix it and would have to pay for the stamp. This is not a normal Form 1 process. You do not get an opportunity to correct, it is a denial and you go back to the end of the line and start over. I have received 2 approvals for Bushmaster 223/5.56 marked lowers with 300 specified as the caliber during this process :shrug: |
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Originally Posted By Firestarter123: You can resubmit via a paper Form 1 after May 31st if you get denied. Originally Posted By Firestarter123: Originally Posted By nod005: It is really a huge cluster. For those of use that submitted in early February and haven't heard a peep will be screwed if our submission was messed up. I guess we will be promoted to felons. You can resubmit via a paper Form 1 after May 31st if you get denied. Here's hoping that'll be a moot point for everyone here. |
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Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44: Here's hoping that'll be a moot point for everyone here. Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44: Originally Posted By Firestarter123: Originally Posted By nod005: It is really a huge cluster. For those of use that submitted in early February and haven't heard a peep will be screwed if our submission was messed up. I guess we will be promoted to felons. You can resubmit via a paper Form 1 after May 31st if you get denied. Here's hoping that'll be a moot point for everyone here. Yeah I don’t want to do it either but I’m still waiting on 2 of them so I guess we’ll see what happens. It’s still stupid that only some of them that were submitted on the same day have come back yet weeks later the others are still MIA. The government at work….. |
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Originally Posted By nod005: I am guessing we would have to pay the $200.00 and take the brace off while waiting for approval. Originally Posted By nod005: Originally Posted By Firestarter123: You can resubmit via a paper Form 1 after May 31st if you get denied. I am guessing we would have to pay the $200.00 and take the brace off while waiting for approval. Not as long as you submitted your original Tax Exempt Form 1 prior to May 31st. |
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Okay, so I am over this crap with the pistol. At 66 years old I don't need to waste the money doing the trust thing so my son can get the AR. He isn't even interested in shooting. He bought a Ruger(?) AR from Rural King two years ago and hasn't put sights on it never mind shoot it. I have a POF Edge 415 pistol and I am going to buy a POF Edge 415 upper for it which has a 16 1/2 inch barrel. I know the OAL has to be 26 inches. How do I go about getting this straight with ATF. I have the eForm submitted but not approved. Thanks |
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Originally Posted By nod005: Okay, so I am over this crap with the pistol. At 66 years old I don't need to waste the money doing the trust thing so my son can get the AR. He isn't even interested in shooting. He bought a Ruger(?) AR from Rural King two years ago and hasn't put sights on it never mind shoot it. I have a POF Edge 415 pistol and I am going to buy a POF Edge 415 upper for it which has a 16 1/2 inch barrel. I know the OAL has to be 26 inches. How do I go about getting this straight with ATF. I have the eForm submitted but not approved. Thanks Cancel your submission, sell the short barrelled upper, buy the 415 upper, install and enjoy. Brad |
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Originally Posted By BMPRacing: Cancel your submission, sell the short barrelled upper, buy the 415 upper, install and enjoy. Brad Or. Do nothing. Keep them separated and wait until the courts catch up. If you two dont do much shooting, who cares, dont make the boat anchor heavier. |
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Originally Posted By GGGBeo50: Or. Do nothing. Keep them separated and wait until the courts catch up. If you two dont do much shooting, who cares, dont make the boat anchor heavier. What he said ^^^ If you don't shoot at a public range who is gonna know anyway!?! If you do, well, too bad 
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Originally Posted By nod005: Okay, so I am over this crap with the pistol. At 66 years old I don't need to waste the money doing the trust thing so my son can get the AR. Originally Posted By nod005: Okay, so I am over this crap with the pistol. At 66 years old I don't need to waste the money doing the trust thing so my son can get the AR. It doesn't matter if it's registered individually or in trust. If it's willed to him, he'll still inherit it tax-exempt after your passing. I have a POF Edge 415 pistol and I am going to buy a POF Edge 415 upper for it which has a 16 1/2 inch barrel. I know the OAL has to be 26 inches. How do I go about getting this straight with ATF. I have the eForm submitted but not approved. There's no need to withdraw the application. You'll gain nothing by doing a cancellation. I hear you but I don't want an NFA weapon or the added expense. Even though it'll be registered, with a 16" upper installed it's not a SBR so the NFA rules won't apply at that time for interstate transport etc. You've already submitted so there's no added expense. |
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder: He can inherit your AR anyway. It doesn't matter if it's registered individually or in trust. If it's willed to him, he'll still inherit it tax-exempt after your passing. Just proceed with getting the upper you want. There's no need to withdraw the application. You'll gain nothing by doing a cancellation. Just because your NFA registration gets approved doesn't mean you need to have a SBR all the time. Even though it'll be registered, with a 16" upper installed it's not a SBR so the NFA rules won't apply at that time for interstate transport etc. You've already submitted so there's no added expense. Thank you KitBuilder, that is some great information! My kids are in my will for one firearm each. The remainder are willed to said son. The firearms are not list by name to him. Actually all my wife's remaining stuff is going to him. So then becomes the question if raised by the ATF what proof does my son have since he doesn't have a stamp since the AR is specifically listed in the will? I appreciate your help. |
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Originally Posted By nod005: Thank you KitBuilder, that is some great information! My kids are in my will for one firearm each. The remainder are willed to said son. The firearms are not list by name to him. Actually all my wife's remaining stuff is going to him. So then becomes the question if raised by the ATF what proof does my son have since he doesn't have a stamp since the AR is specifically listed in the will? I appreciate your help. For all NFA items, you should specify the recipient in your will. The executor of the estate will complete an ATF Form 5 for the tax free transfer. This is covered in the ATF handbook, section 9.5.3.1 and the backup is below. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/guide/atf-national-firearms-act-handbook-atf-p-53208/download If you put on a 16" upper, the item is no longer considered a SBR while it remains in that configuration. You can travel with it, sell it, or loan it to someone else without any requirement to notify the ATF at all. I concur with what was already said above. I'd just let it go though as it's costing you nothing, so you have complete flexibility. |
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Originally Posted By Ratherbe10-42: On day 106 I got rejected because the pic of me in my agency body armor was not close enough FUCK YOU ATF... GO FUCK YOURSELVES... I have diagnosed C5 palsy in my left arm due to a C2 thru C7 fusion. Bring it... Permit/Control No: 2023243107 FYI, It basically has to be a Passport equivalent photo. If you're taking it yourself, there are mobile applications you can download to help with this. |
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Originally Posted By John_Oldman: For all NFA items, you should specify the recipient in your will. The executor of the estate will complete an ATF Form 5 for the tax free transfer. This is covered in the ATF handbook, section 9.5.3.1 and the backup is below. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/guide/atf-national-firearms-act-handbook-atf-p-53208/download If you put on a 16" upper, the item is no longer considered a SBR while it remains in that configuration. You can travel with it, sell it, or loan it to someone else without any requirement to notify the ATF at all. I concur with what was already said above. I'd just let it go though as it's costing you nothing, so you have complete flexibility. Thank you. This is the course of action I have decided on. |
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Originally Posted By TN-MadDog: Started the process for two through silencer shop since I already had my prints on file there. Waiting for them to review my application. Any idea how long that will take? I went the Silencer Shop route as well. They had a recent picture on file and my electronic prints. I am four days shy of one month since submitting. Not a peep from the BATFE. |
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Originally Posted By GreyBeardBiker: I went the Silencer Shop route as well. They had a recent picture on file and my electronic prints. I am four days shy of one month since submitting. Not a peep from the BATFE. Originally Posted By TUFBOY: I, also went through Sliencer Shop prints, photo on 3/3/23 not one word from ATF. I don't believe they (atf) are in any hurry to process the form1. My application hasn't been submitted to the ATF yet. I just completed the application this morning and I am still waiting on an email from SS to take the final steps before it is sent to the ATF. Any idea how long will be before I get the email from SS? |
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Originally Posted By TN-MadDog: My application hasn't been submitted to the ATF yet. I just completed the application this morning and I am still waiting on an email from SS to take the final steps before it is sent to the ATF. Any idea how long will be before I get the email from SS? Originally Posted By TN-MadDog: Originally Posted By GreyBeardBiker: I went the Silencer Shop route as well. They had a recent picture on file and my electronic prints. I am four days shy of one month since submitting. Not a peep from the BATFE. Originally Posted By TUFBOY: I, also went through Sliencer Shop prints, photo on 3/3/23 not one word from ATF. I don't believe they (atf) are in any hurry to process the form1. My application hasn't been submitted to the ATF yet. I just completed the application this morning and I am still waiting on an email from SS to take the final steps before it is sent to the ATF. Any idea how long will be before I get the email from SS? All five of mine were within 36 hours, including one submitted on a Friday evening. |
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Originally Posted By triburst1: I submitted two through silencer shop several weeks ago. I received an email this morning stating that they couldn’t complete my order due to missing registration information. When I click the link, everything says completed. Anyone else experienced this issue? WTF? No, Silencer Shop submitted mine 68 working days ago and I haven't heard a peep. The ATF indicates it was submitted and that is it. |
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Originally Posted By triburst1: I submitted two through silencer shop several weeks ago. I received an email this morning stating that they couldn’t complete my order due to missing registration information. When I click the link, everything says completed. Anyone else experienced this issue? WTF? I submitted two 3 days ago. Got the email this morning to sign and complete the process. You should probably give them a call asap. |
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Originally Posted By TN-MadDog: I submitted two 3 days ago. Got the email this morning to sign and complete the process. You should probably give them a call asap. Originally Posted By TN-MadDog: Originally Posted By triburst1: I submitted two through silencer shop several weeks ago. I received an email this morning stating that they couldn’t complete my order due to missing registration information. When I click the link, everything says completed. Anyone else experienced this issue? WTF? I submitted two 3 days ago. Got the email this morning to sign and complete the process. You should probably give them a call asap. I tried chat first and there were 116 insets in the queue ahead of me and it kept crashing. I called and submitted a call back. |
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Originally Posted By CarlosC: Anyone have any reliable stats on the number of pistols with braces that have been registered so far? I can't remember where I saw/heard it but 125,000 is the last recent figure. This may be from Dettleb*** in front of Congress. Of course, you're getting this info on the interweb so its worth what you're paying for it. 
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