Co-worker just pulled up heat again while closing up the shop...time to go home and go nuts with the 733 again in the basement haha

Actually, if you listen to one of the detectives during the night scene, he specifically says they torched the van with their clothes & the guns in it.

So continuity-wise, it wouldn't have been the same carbine, since the one he had before was toasted by then.

"yeah so I'm gonna need two more commando's"

Correct, the character played by Jon Voight was the crews, go to guy for cars, guns, travel arrangements, etc. There's a scene where Robert DiNero was giving him a list of what they needed for the job, they discuss options, a plan B over a drink then he slides him an envelope with money in it.

My Colt 733 upper runs with all buffer types, but the recoil is pretty violent with anything other then an H2.

Have you tried it with a fixed stock? I'd like to know how you think it runs with one, rifle buffer being about as heavy as a 9mm buffer and all.

I have not, and I just sold my only fixed stock lower.....

HaveBlue83 How well does the front sight block stay put with the taper pin holes threaded  with set screws ?

Just fine. I got it hot and its great. I dont plan on beating it up tho. i could have dimpled the barrel a bit, but i didnt want to do it in the wrong spot. I could always remove each screw singally and dimple it later if I have issues.

I tap the hole where the sling swivel is and add a screw there too.   It lines up with the single dimple barrels that are popular now.   I use the FSB's from Fulton and the set screws don't stick out like that.   They are just under flush.

Was going to post the same about continuity. Bearer's bonds job with the armored car resulted in burned guns and gear in the van with an improvised incendiary device from Chris.



There are some good documentaries on the making of Heat that discuss the technical aspects of the firearms, the training consultants for the actors (SAS and LAPD).  They actually conducted pre-operational surveillance on the bank with the SAS guy as if they were really going to do it, without notifying the bank.  They spent a lot of time learning close quarters marksmanship with live fire, then team-level shooting and moving techniques from the same consultant, while the LAPD guy taught the police actors how to shoot their way.

There was something they did with the firearms to escape the Hollywood BFA effects. There was some mastering to kick in more bass, but they had originally dubbed in gunfire sounds to cover the real recordings.  Michael Mann realized immediately that something was horribly wrong and missing from what they experienced when filming, so I think they used original sounds, just re-mastered by their audio tech army, which was substantial at the time.

As to the figure 8 bungee sling method for covert carry of carbines, it was taken from SAS operations in Northern Ireland for work in and out of cars.  The bungee routes through the top sling loop and the slot under the tube portion on the Fiberlite stock, and the running ends of the bungee are often taped together or sewn. They also did it with the MP5K as a car gun for close contact, since the IRA would run a lot of vehicle checkpoints to intercept SAS and Det14 personnel in their campaigns against the occupying Brits.



I saw Heat on disc when I was on the DMZ with 1-506th Scouts in Korea in 1996, and was totally blown away by the film on all levels. The cast, cinematography, special effects, story, plot, setting, score, and especially the technical advisory work told me that someone with some serious operational skill sets had woven many things into the film that I felt should not be seen by the public.

A few years later, we watched the bank scene as part of the battle drills class in the Special Forces Qualification Course during our classroom lessons in the Small Unit Tactics Phase at Camp McCall. The AAR comments from the cadre were interesting, to say the least.

I worked on Heat and can confirm the bank shootout was full-load blanks. There was certainly some post-production audio work, but what you hear is basically live and very much "city tone".The reverb of the gunfire you hear bouncing around the downtown area is real. Our permit only allowed us to film that sequence on Sundays because of all the commotion it would have caused on a workday.

Maybe another interesting note: the "bullet hits" you see on the cars are also real for the most part. Those picture cars were used during the actors' firearms training sessions when the rehearsed that scene, they were shot with live ammo and filmed to determine what a bullet hit on various parts of the car would really look like. The footage was given to sfx dept to help simulate on set. The real bullet holes in the cars were patched with filler and squib charges, then painted to look like new. On set, they were blown in sequence to simulate the impact.

Great info Homeinvader! Thanks for sharing those tidbits. It tickled my 733 funny bone. Now I want to go watch the damn movie again. The 733 is my favorite 'new' carbine. Commandos are excellent weapons and I'm surprised they aren't used more. Better than the Mk18 or CQBR IMO - the extra inch adds to reliability and velocity. I see another C7 upper in my future. Wish I could find another Colt...

wow...in the presence of greatness. thanks sooo much for the info!!! I am still trying to track down the white/red bungee cord's and the attatchment designs, but that is great info.  

Cut off the plastic S hooks and use a Grimlock or 'biner through the now empty loops to hook it to the weapon or to a loop of 550 tied to the stock. You can lose the biner or grimlock altogether and just tie it directly to the 550 cord loop.
Give it a twist and loop it around your arms and you're G2G.

That's awesome.  What role did you have in the film production?  Thanks for dropping in.

Transpo. They handle all the film unit movement as well as all the picture cars. Wasn't gun related, but defintely had my ear in that direction.

On to the next build.


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I started a 733 build, saw my lawyer, setup a trust, and filed for my SBR stamp all because of this thread. Seeing you dumping it to fund another build is quite discouraging, but I'm going Colt all the way, already have the barreled upper waiting for a Colt preban A2 lower.

       Oh dude......its not the uppers fault....well, it is because anytime i shot it i got yelled at hahah. Its fucking sweet. I just dont have the kind of place i need to fully enjoy it......like bump firing and rapid firing it for the entire 10min session i need to make me movie happy hahaha. the thing is SUPER light.




 

Heat?  

Nah never seen it.

yesss! lol i need to go shoot mine again....it's so neat.

The burned all their gear in the ambulance after the first job.

You do realize the 14.5" carbine from the armored car heist was burned in the ambulance and not used in the bank robbery right?

lol yeah we covered all of this! lol.

My Colt clone is one I would never sell....

I used a Colt upper, on a Colt AR-15A2 "Govt carbine" lower. Factory staked buffer tube... I lucked out, in that the lower is from a post 94 gun, but it is not LEO marked.