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Posted: 9/9/2018 10:10:15 AM EDT
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The problem isn't just length, but weight. All these pajama boys that cry because the best red dot mount weighs 0.05 grams more than their Wally World special, well what would they do with the added weight. I think someone should start marketing "Pajama Boys" assault rifle parts, with a special line of 5 round magazines, complete with camo pajamas with built in 5 round mag pockets. You know these guys, they are the same dudes (dudettes?) that declare any rifle without a special lightweight pencil profile barrel inferior in all respects. I guess these guys don't really shoot their rifles because the carbon deposits might increase the weight another 0.001 micro milligrams and they'd need a forklift to get it to the firing bench. I guess none of these guys ever heard of a BAR. |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 10:41:22 AM EDT
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Get Daniel Defense 32rd mags.  |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 11:04:17 AM EDT
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This. Boxes of 30, 60, 90, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The real question here is this : Why are the ammo manufacturers not selling us 30rd boxes of ammo? 20 or 50? We need 30 rds per box. Boxes of 30, 60, 90, etc. |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 12:01:59 PM EDT
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... have an extra battery pack on your mobility scooter ... But the guys that I know who are, who I used to deliver Rx meds to regularly, well would you like to know how they ended up that way? Lay off the disability comments, just a suggestion. |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 12:20:32 PM EDT
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I've seen plenty of guys in A-stan run a 40 in the gun and the rest 30s.
True prone I feel too long but for CQB more is better. 20rd mags are cool until you are being shot at. |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 1:25:11 PM EDT
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I would rather put up with the weight of the D-60 than the length of the 40 round mags...
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Posted: 9/9/2018 4:31:47 PM EDT
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I prefer 20 round magazines because I shoot a lot laying on the ground. 30's interfere with my position. 40's would make it impossible. Getting in and out of a vehicle would be harder. Reliability is suspect. |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 4:33:08 PM EDT
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That’s everything from 5rd -100rd mags. I guess I should have clarified that better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I own 5-100 rd mags they all have a place imo |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 6:05:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:While I have draws/cases full of GI and Magpul 30s, I also have a dozen + of the 32s and they're my go-to magazine currently. |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 6:09:15 PM EDT
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I would rather put up with the weight of the D-60 than the length of the 40 round mags... |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 6:15:34 PM EDT
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my main gripe with the 40 rounders is their size....they dont fit into standard mag pouches.....and if you got 40 round specific pouches ( do they make those?).....theyd take up too much room on a plate carrier.
weight isnt a concern, because you can configure your loadout so you are carrying the same amount of ammo in fewer mags, example: you can carry 120 rounds in 3 40-rounders vs 4 30-rounders. i run one on my HD carbine....im not humping it around often and i want as much ammo as reliably as possible....because if i need to use it in the middle of the night, im not likely going to have spare mags on me....nor is going prone a concern. i stick with 30 rounders on my training carbine.....its an HBAR and weights 9.5 lbs dry and its heavy enough as is.....and it makes keeping a mental round count a little easier if all my mags are the same. i think they would be good if you wanted to run with limited kit........a rifle with 2 spare mags on the belt only........because youd get the equivalent of a spare mags worth of ammo. they have their place.......just like tools.....we dont have one hammer for every task......as such, we have different rifle configurations for different reasons also. |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 6:49:26 PM EDT
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My experience with mag couplers is, they don't work. Magpul's coupler does couple the mags together real neat, but soon as you start firing the recoil starts to knock the top round partially out of the mag in the unused mag, you have to push it back in... |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 8:15:33 PM EDT
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I have 15 or 20 PMAG 40 rounders only because gun grabbers don't want me too. I've never actually used them. I find 20 rounders to be the most practical size in most situations, for me even 30 round mags are awkward when prone. |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 8:54:16 PM EDT
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Still use 20/30s down range and I run select fire. If I need more there's the belt fed Mk44 Minigun
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Posted: 9/9/2018 10:54:43 PM EDT
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Still use 20/30s down range and I run select fire. If I need more there's the belt fed Mk44 Minigun https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5039-666789.JPGWhat FDE grip do you have on there? |
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Posted: 9/10/2018 1:50:54 AM EDT
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Because only 1 company makes decent ones.
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Posted: 9/10/2018 3:11:59 AM EDT
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I think a nice setup would be a d60 in the rifle, and a standard loadout of 30's. I dont care for the length of 40's. For recreational shooting I use 20s almost exclusively.
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Posted: 9/10/2018 2:50:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2018 3:23:09 PM EDT
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I think a nice setup would be a d60 in the rifle, and a standard loadout of 30's. I dont care for the length of 40's. For recreational shooting I use 20s almost exclusively. |
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Posted: 9/10/2018 4:49:03 PM EDT
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When I was in the USMC I carried 3x 40rnd Sterling mags when I deployed to Somalia in the 90s some thought I was being foolish carrying them Iliked them when I got back I saw an ad for a 100rnd Betamag drum in Shotgun News by that time the 94 ban was in place it cost me $600 bucks I didnt care bought one anyway. Fast forward a few years and at the end of my USMC career I bought the Armatac 150rnd drum and I would carry that too heavy fucker it is but that's
me if they ever make a 200rnd drum I will buy it. What it comes down too is if you are willing to carry the load I was now I am getting up in age I would have to rethink the load weight today but I probably would put up with humping the load that was me then and now. |
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Posted: 9/10/2018 4:54:33 PM EDT
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Oh I also had bought Berretta 20rnd factory mags I would get crazy looks on the USMC Q course eyes roll etc .
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Posted: 9/10/2018 7:29:59 PM EDT
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I believe that if I need more than 20 rounds I really need a beltfed.
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Posted: 9/11/2018 10:22:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/13/2018 6:29:05 PM EDT
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For me back in the 1990s no pouches around and know one to make them by the end of my career we have several makers of quality products I had 40rnd pouches made.
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Posted: 9/15/2018 10:36:34 AM EDT
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The problem isn't just length, but weight. All these pajama boys that cry because the best red dot mount weighs 0.05 grams more than their Wally World special, well what would they do with the added weight. I think someone should start marketing "Pajama Boys" assault rifle parts, with a special line of 5 round magazines, complete with camo pajamas with built in 5 round mag pockets. You know these guys, they are the same dudes (dudettes?) that declare any rifle without a special lightweight pencil profile barrel inferior in all respects. I guess these guys don't really shoot their rifles because the carbon deposits might increase the weight another 0.001 micro milligrams and they'd need a forklift to get it to the firing bench. I guess none of these guys ever heard of a BAR. |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 10:09:35 AM EDT
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My house rifle wears a 20 rounder most times. Easier to move around my house with. I've got a stack of others on the gun safe so I can always pocket another 20 or a 30 if I want. 40 rounders are just a little too awkward with how far they hang under the rifle and It's not like it's a whole lot more but it's enough to bang on stuff and if I'm prone at the top of my stairs (the designated defensive point), it just doesn't work.
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Posted: 9/22/2018 10:59:51 AM EDT
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Shoot from the prone.......
Then you will know. |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 11:04:40 AM EDT
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~snip~ Worse is the 50rd Mag the SADF issued to their troops as their primary weapon mag. |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 7:15:39 PM EDT
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I guess I'm in the minority in believing that 40rds should be the standard for 5.56.
The main benefit of the 5.56 was that it was 1/2 the weight of 7.62x51 (12g vs 24g per cartridge) to allow soldiers in the field to carry more ammo. The other benefit was low recoil for more controllable full auto. --> The logical conclusion from those two data points would have been to double the standard 20rd 7.62 mag, and issue 40rd 5.56 mags. This would have greatly increased the amount of ammo the soldier could carry in the field, and also improve the viability of the rifle in full auto, as there would be more time between running dry. In terms of length, a Magpul 40 is 9.5" long - only 0.5" longer then a standard 7.62 AK mag (9".) 42rd AUG mags are 9.25" long, so its possible to create a slightly shorter 40rd 5.56 mag. To further put this into context, the original Assault Rifle, the STG44, used a magazine 10.375" long - 1" longer then a 40rd 5.56 mag. Likewise, the 30rd Grease Gun mag was 10.375". 
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Posted: 9/23/2018 12:51:02 AM EDT
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I've got a bunch of Guatemalan M193 packed in 30 round boxes. They store real nicely in G.I. .30 cal ammo cans.
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Posted: 9/23/2018 1:15:56 AM EDT
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I wish someone would come out with a 30 round in a triple stack like the Surefire 60 with a length of a 15 or 20 rnd. double stack.
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Posted: 9/23/2018 1:54:22 AM EDT
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I wish someone would come out with a 30 round in a triple stack like the Surefire 60 with a length of a 15 or 20 rnd. double stack. |
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Posted: 9/23/2018 8:54:36 AM EDT
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I guess I'm in the minority in believing that 40rds should be the standard for 5.56. The main benefit of the 5.56 was that it was 1/2 the weight of 7.62x51 (12g vs 24g per cartridge) to allow soldiers in the field to carry more ammo. The other benefit was low recoil for more controllable full auto. --> The logical conclusion from those two data points would have been to double the standard 20rd 7.62 mag, and issue 40rd 5.56 mags. This would have greatly increased the amount of ammo the soldier could carry in the field, and also improve the viability of the rifle in full auto, as there would be more time between running dry. In terms of length, a Magpul 40 is 9.5" long - only 0.5" longer then a standard 7.62 AK mag (9".) 42rd AUG mags are 9.25" long, so its possible to create a slightly shorter 40rd 5.56 mag. To further put this into context, the original Assault Rifle, the STG44, used a magazine 10.375" long - 1" longer then a 40rd 5.56 mag. Likewise, the 30rd Grease Gun mag was 10.375". https://wwiiafterwwii.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/wallonien.jpg You can still carry twice the amount of rounds for the weight, even if it takes more mags. The size and weight of the 40 round mag starts reducing the handling and light weight of the smaller 5.56 carbine. |
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Posted: 9/23/2018 9:30:09 AM EDT
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Because they aren’t practical..and heavy... the M16 is supposed to be a lightweight weapon. Very few weapons use more than 30 rounds mags.. the galil is one of them.. |
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Posted: 9/23/2018 9:25:32 PM EDT
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Yes you are. You can still carry twice the amount of rounds for the weight, even if it takes more mags. The size and weight of the 40 round mag starts reducing the handling and light weight of the smaller 5.56 carbine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess I'm in the minority in believing that 40rds should be the standard for 5.56. The main benefit of the 5.56 was that it was 1/2 the weight of 7.62x51 (12g vs 24g per cartridge) to allow soldiers in the field to carry more ammo. The other benefit was low recoil for more controllable full auto. --> The logical conclusion from those two data points would have been to double the standard 20rd 7.62 mag, and issue 40rd 5.56 mags. This would have greatly increased the amount of ammo the soldier could carry in the field, and also improve the viability of the rifle in full auto, as there would be more time between running dry. In terms of length, a Magpul 40 is 9.5" long - only 0.5" longer then a standard 7.62 AK mag (9".) 42rd AUG mags are 9.25" long, so its possible to create a slightly shorter 40rd 5.56 mag. To further put this into context, the original Assault Rifle, the STG44, used a magazine 10.375" long - 1" longer then a 40rd 5.56 mag. Likewise, the 30rd Grease Gun mag was 10.375". https://wwiiafterwwii.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/wallonien.jpg You can still carry twice the amount of rounds for the weight, even if it takes more mags. The size and weight of the 40 round mag starts reducing the handling and light weight of the smaller 5.56 carbine. That's why adversaries using steel 7.62x39 30rd mags, which weigh 2lbs, still carry the same 7 mags/210rds as those armed with 1lb 30rd 5.56 mags. As for the weight of 40rd mags, they are not that much heavier at all: PMAG 30 = 17.2oz loaded PMAG 40 = 22.6oz loaded Thats only +5.4oz. Further, that weight penalty ceases to exist after 10rds have been fired... |
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Posted: 9/23/2018 10:10:56 PM EDT
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I prefer 20 round magazines because I shoot a lot laying on the ground. 30's interfere with my position. 40's would make it impossible. Getting in and out of a vehicle would be harder. Reliability is suspect. |
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Posted: 9/24/2018 3:43:23 PM EDT
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I love 40 round magazines. Negligible weight difference, still okay to shoot prone, more ammo in the same number of mag pouches, and having ten more rounds on tap without having to reload is pretty handy.
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Posted: 9/24/2018 3:53:14 PM EDT
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you have guys bitching about 7lb rifles now. adding a bigger mag might make them unable to shoulder them.
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Posted: 9/28/2018 11:35:19 PM EDT
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40’s are all I buy now. 10 more hippie tears.
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Posted: 9/29/2018 12:28:03 AM EDT
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IMI used to have Mil 9x19 in 25 round boxes as that was the std mag capacity for the UZi.
Doctrine was if you can't kill your attacker with 1 25ct mag, reload, relocate, re-engage. |
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Posted: 9/30/2018 6:55:59 AM EDT
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I take it you've seen InRange's vid on the IAR? |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 11:41:52 AM EDT
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Is that an FN magazine? What FDE grip do you have on there? Sorry for the delay, missed this. Yes, Mk16 SCAR mag from when we had them here in Astan. Grip is taken from a Mk17 SCAR. CD |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 11:43:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not really true through - the chief limiter in ammo carried is the availability of mag pouches, not the weight of the cartridges or magazines. That's why adversaries using steel 7.62x39 30rd mags, which weigh 2lbs, still carry the same 7 mags/210rds as those armed with 1lb 30rd 5.56 mags. As for the weight of 40rd mags, they are not that much heavier at all: PMAG 30 = 17.2oz loaded PMAG 40 = 22.6oz loaded Thats only +5.4oz. Further, that weight penalty ceases to exist after 10rds have been fired... CD |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 3:45:25 PM EDT
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The only rifle I like with a 40+ round mag is the AUG. It doesn't seem to get in the way, or be off balance like a 40 rounder in an AR.
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Posted: 11/4/2018 9:24:48 AM EDT
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The only reason I have 30 rd mags. Is cost.
Then I built a 300blk, and started picking up 20 rd mags for that, because they are different and heavier (with 220gr subs) Then magpul had to come out with 30rd for blackout ... So now I'm picking those up too, even know they are heavy with subs. Screw it, I'm building a 6.5 Grendel, and adding some 17rd to the mix
My point is a 40 rd pmag is a "toy" for 3 gun and fun. Based on 40 rds of 55gr ball. Load it with 40 rds of 220gr subs and I would have zero faith in that mag spring pushing that kind of weight fast enough to run 100% in everything. |
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Posted: 11/5/2018 3:56:57 PM EDT
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To me, a large bulky mag is only good for escaping or entering an area where not changing mags is vital.
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Posted: 11/6/2018 2:11:35 AM EDT
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use Magpul D60's for initial contact then 30 rounders for reloads
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Posted: 11/6/2018 10:08:51 PM EDT
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All magazines are good magazines (even the bad ones)
I use 20's for the range mostly, my gear all has 30's because they are standard and most gear is made for it. I own 40's and D-60 and korean 100's and surefires and couplers and LOTS of off brand shitty mags and NHMTG/okays that don't work and heat deformed Thermolds that do work. Use what works for your situation and gear! MOST of us have the freedom to do so and thats getting slim. Use the other shit that doesn't work for training. Train for the shit that don't work. |
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Posted: 11/7/2018 6:03:28 AM EDT
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The Surefire magazines are quad stack, not triple stack. And quad stack magazines are, pretty much universally, unreliable garbabe. There's a reason Magpul developed one but didn't release it. Tell that to the 500 people shot by Steve Paddock using Surefire quad stacks. Everything is Fake News. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 12:24:01 PM EDT
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Just because they make larger capacity magazines, does not mean they are practical in an actual firefight or defensive situation.. Putting a 100 rounder under an AR changes the balance of the gun and the swing factor of the gun. Ya they are fun when you are out for a day of shooting or doing a few mag dumps from them in a full auto situation, but they are not practical and they are heavy. My favorite mag in a practical use situation is the 20 round, the gun is balanced, it swings easy and it is pretty easy to control even doing a full mag dump in full auto mode. It really does not take that long to drop and lock a new mag into the gun even under chaotic situations. Those who are always asking about why hasn't this become the standard has never humped several miles with full gear before!  Firstly, in the top five favorites of basement dwelling rambos, is the hoarder of people attacking your house. In that case yes, a big drum is what you seek. Normal situations - 30 all day long. It’s the best compromise. Prone/get off my lawn/yells at cloud old man - 20. You can sprinkle the rest in here and there but mainly this is it. |
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