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Link Posted: 5/12/2019 2:05:04 PM EDT
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Can someone please explain what is eye box and exit pupil diameter?

And to be clear, is the stadia in that set up for 14.5” barrel 556?

@grsc
Link Posted: 5/14/2019 5:13:00 PM EDT
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Bearcat24,

Here is the latest update;

We have had many unwelcome delays, I was told on Thursday by our shipper that the scopes should be here tomorrow.

This is the first production run of scopes that I will receive from this OEM manufacture. The first order was small to test the capabilities of this OEM manufacture.

The first batch of scopes is sold out.

We will continue T&E and be posting more videos. Hopefully we will get some feed back on social media and here on AR15.com from some of the end users.
 Thanks

Ed Verdugo
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I received one this weekend and at first blush it is a pretty decent scope.  I also have the Atibal here and I think Ed's reticle is a better match for this scope.

I'll have some initial impressions formulated by the end of the week or so.

ILya
www.darklordofoptics.com
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 3:56:59 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/18/2019 4:32:03 PM EDT
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I just received mine and am waiting for a Larue mount so I can get it set up and sighted in.  So far I like it and it’s built like a tank.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 4:45:16 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/18/2019 5:05:15 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/18/2019 8:27:41 PM EDT
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FYI,
Here is a evaluation that my friend Rick did for me on the new GRSC FSO 1.1-10 Scope.
Rick did not know how post the evaluation in its entirety with pictures and unsuccessfully tried to post the evaluation on another thread.
I think this is an excellent evaluation that you will find interesting.
Rick's Evaluation
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I knew that guy was a shill.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 9:15:48 PM EDT
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I knew that guy was a shill.
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The plot thickens!

Optic already broke in that review also.

I guess at least he was honest about that?

Anyway with my last three experiences of "quality controlled and spec'ed out here in the USA" Chinese optics I'm pretty much done unless it's going on something like a 22.

I think I'm going to hold out and hope that maybe these will take off and Ed or someone else will come out with a higher quality 1-10x LPVO
Link Posted: 5/20/2019 3:11:02 PM EDT
[#9]
I ordered one, but these early reviews don't seem very promising.
Link Posted: 5/26/2019 1:18:05 PM EDT
[#10]
I have been testing the FSO for a couple of weeks now.  I also have the related Atibal 1-10x30 here, so I am looking at them side-by-side.

In terms of basic optomechanical performance, the FSO is staying zeroed just fine and the image quality is reasonable.  I did not mess with the turrets much beyond zeroing the scope, but my initial impression is that  this is not a scope I'd want to use for dialing shots.  I do not think click values are hugely accurate.  However, once zeroed, it has not shifted.

The reticle is what makes this interesting.  I am mostly a mrad guy and for my primary optic, I am not going to switch to anything else any time soon, but Ed's concept is not difficult to use and I like out of the box thinking.  It is a little busy, but workable.  My primary complaint with the reticle so far is that the 300yard hold point (circle in the horseshoe opening) makes potting your misses a little tricky.  I shot out to 600 yards this time using my 5.56 AR-15 with 77gr ammo and it worked quite well.  I'll take it further next time I go to Piru.  I also still need to do some low light testing and all that.

Image quality, given the price, is quite respectable.  As you would imagine with a scope this short, at 10x depth of field is a little shallow.  Shooting at plates out to 400 yards or so, 10x worked fine for me, but beyond that, I dialed it back to 8x to give myself a touch more depth of field.

Shooting offhand on 1x was reasonably comfortable.  Reticle illumination was bright enough to be easily visible, but this was on a somewhat overcast day.  I'll need to try it on a sunny day as well.

Getting behind the scope was pretty straightforward.  On low powers the scope is quite forgiving.  On high power it gets tighter, but that is fairly common.  There is some flare in the image that is most pronounced on 9x and 10x and it is stronger if your eye is not perfectly lined up behind the scope.  Dialing down a touch cleans things up.

I did not do any serious resolution testing, but seeing bullet holes was easy enough at 100 yards.  As with most FFP scopes, you have to take your time setting up the eyepiece and the image you see will really depend on how careful you were with eyepiece setup (it is trickier with FFP vs SFP scopes).

I'll make periodic updates as I use the scope.

ILya

www.darklordofoptics.com
Link Posted: 5/27/2019 6:04:38 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/29/2019 12:10:32 PM EDT
[#12]
Looks interesting.  I have my reservations about a scope with a 10x zoom ratio though.
Link Posted: 5/31/2019 7:38:26 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/5/2019 6:43:52 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/5/2019 8:20:30 PM EDT
[#15]
interesting
Link Posted: 6/13/2019 9:43:25 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/18/2019 11:40:10 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/27/2019 5:26:30 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/27/2019 9:37:38 PM EDT
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I knew that guy was a shill.
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Yup. Makes it hard to take any of this seriously.
Link Posted: 8/7/2019 4:08:43 PM EDT
[#20]
Why is there so little info/reviews on these?

And I see only 5 year warranty... geez
Link Posted: 8/7/2019 7:47:13 PM EDT
[#21]
Damn that’s cool, and well priced too.
Link Posted: 8/16/2019 6:07:00 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/16/2019 7:52:58 PM EDT
[#23]
@545fan
@Postal0311
@LRRPF52

Any updates from users?  I'm not too far from Knoxville....
Link Posted: 8/16/2019 10:20:35 PM EDT
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Thus far all I’ve done is mount it and sight it in.  No competitions until next month, I’m afraid.  Once I have put it thru it’s paces, I promise a review.

As an aside, I used the original GRSC x1-4 for more than a decade in competition and casual shooting and never had a single problem with it.  It is built like a tank.  My 13 year old now has it mounted on his competition rifle.  He’s not shot it yet.  Same situation.
Link Posted: 8/18/2019 10:45:38 PM EDT
[#25]
Bump!

I'm currently in the market for a lpvo for a recon build. This and the meopta have my eye.
Link Posted: 8/18/2019 11:25:19 PM EDT
[#26]
Eh, it is ok, but not right for me.
Link Posted: 8/22/2019 4:10:52 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/24/2019 10:43:39 AM EDT
[#28]
Ed,

Thanks for taking the time to provide the community with a very thoughtful and informative post about your new product. It is very much appreciated.
Link Posted: 8/28/2019 12:17:17 PM EDT
[#29]
Why the expense and weight of a 35mm tube (and mounts) and use only a 30mm objective?

The small objectives weren't an issue with 1-4x low power tactical scopes, but at 1-8x or now 1-10x why do we still have them?  The eye box and light gathering at max magnification have to be compromised.
3mm exit pupil at max power verses 4.44mm for a 40 year old 3-9x40 seams like a significant step backwards.
Link Posted: 9/6/2019 8:21:50 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/9/2019 3:20:13 PM EDT
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Have an FSO scope currently on a DPMS AR 10 in 308 with Franklin binary trigger to accelerate wear. Thought I could shake reticle loose or cause malfunction with 50 round drum mag dumps of full power handloads. It is the fastest "in scope" ranging systems have used except for Burris with built in laser ranging. First trip took two rifles to shoot against the AR 10 with FSO scope as main objective was to abuse and break it short of bashing on it with a rock. After several abusive mag dumps, making sure to treat rifle rough without deliberate abuse outside of combat use such as dropping it a couple feet into mix of grass and gravel to occasionally giving the rig a good bump against the bench. From then on it was range a target, dope your shot, hear a ring, switch to next target which could be another 50 yards in or 250 yards out, tap the trigger to hear distinct ring of a hit.

Second trip carried ammunition its calibrated for 175 grain in 7.62×51 and 77 grain in 5.56. Took an AR 15 to test it on as well. Shoot it next to a SCAR 17 with Elcan Spectre, custom built AR 10 in 6XC with Leupold 8.5-25x/Horus H-27 custom reticle and M1a National Match with older Horus Brand Raptor 4-16x. Except for many hours behind an M1a and this particular Raptor scope it was the only scope that was almost as fast on target but by this time was beginning to remember previous ranges to many of the targets. Other than couple hours on the Mk 12 Mod H to prove it ranged properly with 77 grain 5.56 it rides on a box stock DPMS AR 10 and this $1,300 rig including rifle, scope and mount runs up against rifle combos four times its cost.
Link Posted: 9/9/2019 4:45:43 PM EDT
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I am a new user here and post limited by system in length due to not being a regular poster but a long time lurker. Having posted a good user review am now going to address the few points on the opposite side on the FSO Scope. Own many Leupolds, higher price range U.S. made Burris, March Optics (those bite the pocketbook and nobody can say anything bad about their optics), Vortex (from 1-6x Strike Eagles to 5-25x PSTs and others) along with a few Steiner and Zeiss. At least 1/3 of my Leupolds have Horus reticles. Have a bit of experience with glass over 40+years of buying and using.

What I don't like about the FSO is "Made in China" first. Vortex nor all Burris are U.S. or German scopes. Try to find a U.S. Nikon. No, this scope does not have depth of field at 10x as a full size scope does but it's tiny and my Strike Eagles nor $700 Viper PST 1-6x won't give me a 10x view. At 6x it's as clear as my Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6x on top magnification and runs even at 8x with my 1-8x Strike Eagle. Issue is neither of those will allow me to range and fire on target nearly as fast as the FSO. I would prefer more but is it worth doubling the price to take "China" off the bottom, step up the glass and increase size? This scope for its price point and other much higher is fastest ranging scope have used without built in laser rangefinder. So simple a person does not have to go to scout sniper school or take a class to use. Out of the box wife understood it in ten minutes and was much happier ranging than with some of my $2,000 scopes with MIL/MRAD system. Inches she understands from elementary school. This will be a great tool for the beginner to expert shooter properly implimented but nots replacing my VX4s and VX5s with Horus reticles but will buy a lot more of the GRSC 1.1-10x FSOs for beginners and entry to mid level rifles that need glass.
Link Posted: 9/13/2019 1:45:41 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/20/2019 2:10:58 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/11/2019 3:10:14 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/17/2019 9:13:26 AM EDT
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Is the buy one get one free deal still going?

Also, how does the BDC correspond to 6.5?
Link Posted: 10/20/2019 11:27:58 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/23/2019 11:44:26 AM EDT
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Thanks Ed, my scopes should be in by the end of the week.
Link Posted: 11/7/2019 3:57:35 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/17/2019 2:57:40 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/26/2019 4:36:51 PM EDT
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Snap shooting with the GRSC 1-10x Full Spectrum Optic
Link Posted: 11/30/2019 1:04:53 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/6/2019 2:00:20 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/6/2019 2:44:47 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/19/2019 5:24:54 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/28/2020 12:18:58 PM EDT
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Saw you guys at the SAR show here in Phoenix.

Getting ready to build another AR may use this scope.

Will you be doing any gun shows in Arizona this year?
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