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Can someone please explain what is eye box and exit pupil diameter?
And to be clear, is the stadia in that set up for 14.5” barrel 556? @grsc |
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Quoted: Bearcat24, Here is the latest update; We have had many unwelcome delays, I was told on Thursday by our shipper that the scopes should be here tomorrow. This is the first production run of scopes that I will receive from this OEM manufacture. The first order was small to test the capabilities of this OEM manufacture. The first batch of scopes is sold out. We will continue T&E and be posting more videos. Hopefully we will get some feed back on social media and here on AR15.com from some of the end users. Thanks Ed Verdugo View Quote I'll have some initial impressions formulated by the end of the week or so. ILya www.darklordofoptics.com |
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We finally got the production scopes in last week.
In this first video I go over the features of the new production scope. GRSC FSO 1-10 Scope Details In the next six videos I will engage targets from 200-1000 yards. For some reason the gun/scope camera did not work, so we only have the videos from the tripod mounted camera. Without the gun camera footage I am unable to show you the reticle on the targets as I engage them. I will try to reshoot the gun camera videos soon. The important thing to remember about the following videos is the scope is zeroed at 100 yards. All aiming corrections for elevation and wind are made on the reticle. I do not adjust the W/E turrets at all. Please notice that the elevation at all distances is dead on for a human sized target. Of course I have to adjust for the wind, which is always an educated guess. Live Fire Demo with GRSC 1-10 FSO Intro Live Fire Demo with GRSC 1-10 FSO 200-600 yds Live Fire Demo with GRSC 1-10 FSO 700 yds Live Fire Demo with GRSC 1-10 FSO 800 yds Live Fire Demo with GRSC 1-10 FSO 900 yds Note at 1000 yards how quickly I can get on target as soon as my spotter gives me a windage adjustment. Again at 1000 yards I use the aiming dashes on right side of the reticle to the adjust for the wind. For minute of man accuracy this is very quick and repeatable, as you can see. Live Fire Demo with GRSC 1-10 FSO 1000 yds Hope you enjoy the videos. Ed Verdugo |
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I just received mine and am waiting for a Larue mount so I can get it set up and sighted in. So far I like it and it’s built like a tank.
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FYI,
Here is a evaluation that my friend Rick did for me on the new GRSC FSO 1.1-10 Scope. Rick did not know how post the evaluation in its entirety with pictures and unsuccessfully tried to post the evaluation on another thread. I think this is an excellent evaluation that you will find interesting. New GRSC 1-10x Scope Review |
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Here is one of my testers using the older Norden Performance 1-6 CRS (Combat Rifle Scope) in competition.
The reticle in this scope is very similar to the reticle in the new 1.1-10 FSO. My tester just received one of the 1.1-10 FSO's for testing. Hopefully we will get some feedback from him in the very near future. 1-6 CRS in Competition Use Thanks, Ed Verdugo |
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FYI, Here is a evaluation that my friend Rick did for me on the new GRSC FSO 1.1-10 Scope. Rick did not know how post the evaluation in its entirety with pictures and unsuccessfully tried to post the evaluation on another thread. I think this is an excellent evaluation that you will find interesting. Rick's Evaluation View Quote |
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I knew that guy was a shill. View Quote Optic already broke in that review also. I guess at least he was honest about that? Anyway with my last three experiences of "quality controlled and spec'ed out here in the USA" Chinese optics I'm pretty much done unless it's going on something like a 22. I think I'm going to hold out and hope that maybe these will take off and Ed or someone else will come out with a higher quality 1-10x LPVO |
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I ordered one, but these early reviews don't seem very promising.
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I have been testing the FSO for a couple of weeks now. I also have the related Atibal 1-10x30 here, so I am looking at them side-by-side.
In terms of basic optomechanical performance, the FSO is staying zeroed just fine and the image quality is reasonable. I did not mess with the turrets much beyond zeroing the scope, but my initial impression is that this is not a scope I'd want to use for dialing shots. I do not think click values are hugely accurate. However, once zeroed, it has not shifted. The reticle is what makes this interesting. I am mostly a mrad guy and for my primary optic, I am not going to switch to anything else any time soon, but Ed's concept is not difficult to use and I like out of the box thinking. It is a little busy, but workable. My primary complaint with the reticle so far is that the 300yard hold point (circle in the horseshoe opening) makes potting your misses a little tricky. I shot out to 600 yards this time using my 5.56 AR-15 with 77gr ammo and it worked quite well. I'll take it further next time I go to Piru. I also still need to do some low light testing and all that. Image quality, given the price, is quite respectable. As you would imagine with a scope this short, at 10x depth of field is a little shallow. Shooting at plates out to 400 yards or so, 10x worked fine for me, but beyond that, I dialed it back to 8x to give myself a touch more depth of field. Shooting offhand on 1x was reasonably comfortable. Reticle illumination was bright enough to be easily visible, but this was on a somewhat overcast day. I'll need to try it on a sunny day as well. Getting behind the scope was pretty straightforward. On low powers the scope is quite forgiving. On high power it gets tighter, but that is fairly common. There is some flare in the image that is most pronounced on 9x and 10x and it is stronger if your eye is not perfectly lined up behind the scope. Dialing down a touch cleans things up. I did not do any serious resolution testing, but seeing bullet holes was easy enough at 100 yards. As with most FFP scopes, you have to take your time setting up the eyepiece and the image you see will really depend on how careful you were with eyepiece setup (it is trickier with FFP vs SFP scopes). I'll make periodic updates as I use the scope. ILya www.darklordofoptics.com |
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Got to the range last week and were able to record with our tripod mounted camera and the gun camera.
Here we are engaging targets from 200-600 yards using our 16 in. barrel 1-7 twist with 55 grain wolf ammo. First target at 200 yards is a 10 in. square. The rest of the targets (300-600 yards) are 12 in. segmented circles. Please note, the reticle is calibrated for the M118 LR (175 grain) ammo fired from a 16 in. 1-10 twist barrel .308 rifle. As you will see, for minute of man accuracy the 55 grain .556 ammo works fine out to 600 yards. The rifle is zeroed for 100 yards using the 55 grain wolf ammo. Please note, as I fire the aiming points through the gun camera on the targets. You will notice that the aiming point corresponds to the range. Please note, the reticle looks canted due to the gun camera being slightly off center on the scope. The reticle in the scope is not canted. Please note, the distance measured with a laser range finder to target at 400 yards was, 377 yards. Distance to 600 yard target was 592 yards. Also please note, that resolution through the gun camera is a much lower quality than the scopes actual clarity. I have a new gun camera on order that will hopefully give us a higher quality picture. Here is 200 yards through the gun camera. GRSC FSO 1.1-10 Ranging at 200 yd Here is 300 yards through gun camera and a corresponding clip through the tripod camera. GRSC FSO 1.1-10 Ranging at 300 yd GRSC FSO 1.1-10 Ranging at 300 yd Part 2 GRSC FSO 1.1-10 Ranging at 300 yd Spotting Cam Here is 400 yards through the gun camera. GRSC FSO 1.1-10 Ranging at 400 yd Here is 600 yards through gun camera. GRSC FSO 1.1-10 Ranging at 600 yd GRSC FSO 1.1-10 Ranging at 600 yds Thanks for watching. Ed Verdugo |
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Looks interesting. I have my reservations about a scope with a 10x zoom ratio though.
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Here is the latest on the 1.1-10 FSO.
Most of first batch of production scopes have been sent out for testing or sold. Some of the people on the list to buy were short on $$$ or not ready to purchase. I have 3 scopes left. I will be at the Costa Mesa Ca. gun show this weekend, so if you are there please stop by if you have interest in the FSO. Also I have a dealer in Las Cruces NM who has a FSO in stock for demos. Call for info if interested. The 2 for the price of 1 deal is still on. Buy a NP 1-6 at reg price ($1025.00) and receive a 1.1-10 FSO at no extra charge. I am waiting for a ETA on the next batch of scopes. I am trying to find a person or business here in the USA to do repairs on these type of scopes. scopes If anyone has info on that, I would appreciate if they would pass that info on to me. Thanks Ed Verdugo 951 845 9838 |
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I got to the range yesterday with our new Tactacam gun camera.
Here are some videos from 7 yards to 100 yards filmed using two cameras; the Tactacam gun camera and a tripod camera. This will give you an idea of how the reticle works at 1 and 2 power and 4 power at 7 yards in hostage situation. Please note that at 1 power the focus on the horseshoe reticle is blurred due to the Tactacam not the actual scope. Therefore, the horseshoe reticle and the illumination do not show up as well as it would in real use. (Not even close). Also, one of the videos explains very simply how to allow for offset when engaging close targets with the horseshoe reticle. Hope you enjoy the videos. Thanks, Ed Verdugo Offset Drill Demo with GRSC 1.1-10X30 FSO reticle GRSC 1-10 FSO 7 yd Tactacam Scope View GRSC 1-10 FSO 25 yd Tactacam Scope View GRSC 1-10 FSO Offset Drill at 7 and 25 yd shots Tripod Cam View GRSC 1-10 FSO Fast Shooting 7-50 yds Tactacam View GRSC 1-10 FSO Fast Shooting 7-50 yds Tripod Cam View GRSC 1-10 FSO Fast Shooting 7-50 yds Shot Closeups Tripod Cam View GRSC 1-10 FSO 1-2 power with Illumination On Tactacam Scope View GRSC 1-10 FSO 1-2 power Tripod Cam View |
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Got to the range again yesterday, these videos are of us using 77 grain mag tech ammo from 200 yards to 1000 yards.
At each distance there are 2 videos; one is the Tactacam (gun camera attached to scope) point of view and the other is the tripod point of view which run simultaneously. First, you will see the Tactacam gun camera point of view for each range. This is a new camera we just received, unfortunately we are still learning how to use it. We lost the audio and the visual quality is poor, I am trying to show how the aiming points on the reticle correspond to the distance with different types of ammo. Second, you will see the tripod camera point of view for each range that show the points of impact at a higher quality than the Tactacam. Over the past couple of weeks I have done a series of videos to show how the reticle works from 7 yards to 1000 yards, using both .308 175 grain FGM ammo and 55-77 grain 5.56 ammo. Please note, the reticle is actually calibrated for the .308 ammo but as you can see, you can hit targets using the reticle with the appropriate aiming points at the given distances out to 1000 yards with both .308 and 5.56 ammo. Thanks, Ed Verdugo GRSC 1.1-10 FSO at 200-300 Yards Tactacam Scope POV GRSC 1.1-10 FSO at 200-300 YardsTripod POV GRSC 1.1-10 FSO at 400 Yards Tactacam Scope POV GRSC 1.1-10 FSO at 400 Yards Tripod POV GRSC 1.1-10 FSO at 600 Yards Tactacam Scope POV GRSC 1.1-10 FSO at 600 Yards Tripod POV GRSC 1.1-10 FSO at 1000 Yards Tactacam Scope POV GRSC 1.1-10 FSO at 1000 Yards Tripod POV |
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In this series of videos, we will be using the GRSC 1.1-10 FSO at 1 power in a simulated CQB environment.
We will be using the FSO to target human silhouettes using the reticle with and without illumination. This should be a good demonstration to show how the scope will work for room clearing in a CQB environment. Again, please keep in mind that we can not get a perfect focus on the reticle while using the Tactacam gun camera set up. I think its good enough to show the capabilities of the FSO at 1 power in rooms. Just to reemphasize, when the scope is zeroed at 100 yards with either 5.56 or .308 ammo you will be able to engage human sized targets from point blank distances to 1000 yards without ever adjusting your windage or elevation turrets. This is the capability of the GRSC 1.1-10 Full Spectrum Optic. Thanks, Ed Verdugo GRSC 1.1-10 FSO CQB Indoors Daylight With Illumination GRSC 1.1-10 FSO CQB Indoors Evening/Lowlight Without Illumination GRSC 1.1-10 FSO CQB Indoors Evening/Lowlight With Illumination |
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Here's a new review by the Dark Lord of Optics comparing the new GRSC 1-10x to the Atibal 1-10x.
https://youtu.be/zHTiEYtp8eM |
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Why is there so little info/reviews on these?
And I see only 5 year warranty... geez |
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FYI,
For those of you in the Knoxville Tn area, this weekend I will be at the gun show in Knoxville Tn at the Expo Center on Clinton. I will have the GRSC 1.1-10x30 FSO and NP 1-6x24 CRS available for demo and sale. We are still offering the Two For One Deal. Buy the 1-6x24 CRS at regular price ($1025) and receive the 1.1-10x30 FSO at no extra charge. Thanks Ed Verdugo |
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@Postal0311 @LRRPF52 Any updates from users? I'm not too far from Knoxville.... |
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Thus far all I’ve done is mount it and sight it in. No competitions until next month, I’m afraid. Once I have put it thru it’s paces, I promise a review.
As an aside, I used the original GRSC x1-4 for more than a decade in competition and casual shooting and never had a single problem with it. It is built like a tank. My 13 year old now has it mounted on his competition rifle. He’s not shot it yet. Same situation. |
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Bump!
I'm currently in the market for a lpvo for a recon build. This and the meopta have my eye. |
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For those of you in the neighborhood....
We will be at the gun show in Fishkill, New York this coming Saturday and Sunday (August 24 & 25) Stop by table and meet Ed Verdugo in person and see our new 1-10x Full Spectrum Optic! Hope to meet some of you AR15.com guys out there. Feel free to check out our highly informative tutorial videos here: https://grscinc.com/videos Thanks, stay safe.... GRSC Fred |
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Ed,
Thanks for taking the time to provide the community with a very thoughtful and informative post about your new product. It is very much appreciated. |
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Why the expense and weight of a 35mm tube (and mounts) and use only a 30mm objective?
The small objectives weren't an issue with 1-4x low power tactical scopes, but at 1-8x or now 1-10x why do we still have them? The eye box and light gathering at max magnification have to be compromised. 3mm exit pupil at max power verses 4.44mm for a 40 year old 3-9x40 seams like a significant step backwards. |
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For those of you in the neighborhood....
We will be at the St. George, Utah gun show this coming weekend, Saturday (Sept. 7) and Sunday (Sept. 8). Come out and see our new 1-10x Full Spectrum Optic in person and talk with Ed Verdugo, the inventor of our unique, patented Horseshoe reticle. Hope to meet some of you AR15.com folks! Feel free to view our tutorial videos here: https://grscinc.com/videos Stay safe, GRSC Fred |
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Have an FSO scope currently on a DPMS AR 10 in 308 with Franklin binary trigger to accelerate wear. Thought I could shake reticle loose or cause malfunction with 50 round drum mag dumps of full power handloads. It is the fastest "in scope" ranging systems have used except for Burris with built in laser ranging. First trip took two rifles to shoot against the AR 10 with FSO scope as main objective was to abuse and break it short of bashing on it with a rock. After several abusive mag dumps, making sure to treat rifle rough without deliberate abuse outside of combat use such as dropping it a couple feet into mix of grass and gravel to occasionally giving the rig a good bump against the bench. From then on it was range a target, dope your shot, hear a ring, switch to next target which could be another 50 yards in or 250 yards out, tap the trigger to hear distinct ring of a hit.
Second trip carried ammunition its calibrated for 175 grain in 7.62×51 and 77 grain in 5.56. Took an AR 15 to test it on as well. Shoot it next to a SCAR 17 with Elcan Spectre, custom built AR 10 in 6XC with Leupold 8.5-25x/Horus H-27 custom reticle and M1a National Match with older Horus Brand Raptor 4-16x. Except for many hours behind an M1a and this particular Raptor scope it was the only scope that was almost as fast on target but by this time was beginning to remember previous ranges to many of the targets. Other than couple hours on the Mk 12 Mod H to prove it ranged properly with 77 grain 5.56 it rides on a box stock DPMS AR 10 and this $1,300 rig including rifle, scope and mount runs up against rifle combos four times its cost. |
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I am a new user here and post limited by system in length due to not being a regular poster but a long time lurker. Having posted a good user review am now going to address the few points on the opposite side on the FSO Scope. Own many Leupolds, higher price range U.S. made Burris, March Optics (those bite the pocketbook and nobody can say anything bad about their optics), Vortex (from 1-6x Strike Eagles to 5-25x PSTs and others) along with a few Steiner and Zeiss. At least 1/3 of my Leupolds have Horus reticles. Have a bit of experience with glass over 40+years of buying and using.
What I don't like about the FSO is "Made in China" first. Vortex nor all Burris are U.S. or German scopes. Try to find a U.S. Nikon. No, this scope does not have depth of field at 10x as a full size scope does but it's tiny and my Strike Eagles nor $700 Viper PST 1-6x won't give me a 10x view. At 6x it's as clear as my Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6x on top magnification and runs even at 8x with my 1-8x Strike Eagle. Issue is neither of those will allow me to range and fire on target nearly as fast as the FSO. I would prefer more but is it worth doubling the price to take "China" off the bottom, step up the glass and increase size? This scope for its price point and other much higher is fastest ranging scope have used without built in laser rangefinder. So simple a person does not have to go to scout sniper school or take a class to use. Out of the box wife understood it in ten minutes and was much happier ranging than with some of my $2,000 scopes with MIL/MRAD system. Inches she understands from elementary school. This will be a great tool for the beginner to expert shooter properly implimented but nots replacing my VX4s and VX5s with Horus reticles but will buy a lot more of the GRSC 1.1-10x FSOs for beginners and entry to mid level rifles that need glass. |
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Just got back from a coast to coast promo road trip demonstrating the new GRSC FSO. To you all who have posted in the last couple of weeks---THANKS. Hueyville, thanks for your evaluation . I will be at the gun show in San Bernardino Ca. this weekend demonstrating the 1.1-10 FSO. Also we still have the 2 for 1 deal going. Buy a Norden Performance 1-6x24 CRS at regular price ($1025.00) and you will also receive a 1.1-10 GRSC FSO. Hope to see some of you this weekend. Thanks Ed Verdugo |
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Below is a recent review of our new FSO 1-10x.
The actual writer works in a sensitive LE position and gave us permission to post his review, as long as we did not reveal his identity or the specific agency's name. _______________________________________________________________________ My background With over a decade of law enforcement experience, both local and federal, I have utilized wide verity of optics. Throughout the years I have had the privilege to attend a wide verity of shooting courses and trainings from local, to state, to DOD. I am also curing the lead firearms instructor and sniper on my team. My primary experience with low magnification variable powered optics range from cheaper optics to primarily the Trijicon Accupoint 1.5-6 power, EO-Tech Vudu 1-6 power and the Vortex Razor Gen II 1-6 power. In last few years we have trained with some of the top tier operators and instructors in the United States. All that being said the trend has been leading heavily towards short to medium range variable powered optics. First impressions Body and function My out of the box initial impressions of the optic were that it seemed solid, good finish. The number one thing that caught my eye and I really liked was the throw lever. Its size, shape, and texture made adjusting the magnification very easy. It’s the most solid enhanced throw lever out of any of the low magnification variable powered optics that I have seen or handled. The turret caps spin off nicely revealing sturdy turrets that have a nice solid click adjustments. The illumination knob is also well done with the off position in between each level of illumination. Extras It comes with decent flip up scope caps witch is nice. Also the added bonus of the scope’s sun shroud and the anti-reflective lens cap is very nice. Glass The glass is clear and sharp, especially at distance compared to other scopes in the same price point. The 1.1 magnification was very slight but noticeable compared to a true 1 power. It is also misleading when on the scope it is labeled 1-10 power when it should be labeled 1.1-10 power. Reticle ON ONE POWER At one power, I really liked the circle dot feel of the reticle much like the EO-Tech circle of death. I feel like it works well for CQC and close target work. However, the inverted horseshoe seemed just a little too thick. I like that it is there because it definitely catches the eye and directs you to the very center of the reticle. When aiming at something at 100 yards or so on one power, it was nice that I could still see the finest dot inside the horseshoe, it reminded me of turning the illumination very low on a 1MOA dot of an EO-Tech for zeroing. I felt like I could really get a pinpoint shot, even more so than the fine crosshairs in a Vortex Razor or the 2MOA dot in an Aimpoint. I also liked when the entire reticle was illuminated - it almost seemed sort of like the triangle in a Accupoint or the chevron of an ACOG. What I did not like was how the horseshoe blocked a large amount around the target making it difficult, if there was a busy target down range, i.e. multiple people very close or in a hostage scenario or even just a paper target with multiple dots. I feel either more space around the center dot and the horseshoe or possibly a slightly thinner lined horseshoe may help with this. ON TEN POWER First off, I have to say that it is awesome to see a 1-10 power optic, it is the first that I have seen and handled. Second, I love that it is a first focal plane scope. The way the reticle morphs from what seemed to be a circle dot when not illuminated on one power to a Christmas tree like reticle with elevation and windage hold dots. This mimics my favorite long distance reticle which is the Horus H59 in my long distance scopes. At ten power the horseshoe is very thick and does obscure some of the down range sight picture. Also unlike the H59 reticle the GRSC FSO reticle is not based off of MRADS. The BDC reticle is designed to be used with the 5.56 round and is supposed to be user friendly with this round. It appears to be set up for a 50 yard zero adhering that the round strikes at the same place at 50 yards and at 200 yards and slightly high at 100 yards, due to the arc of the bullet. Then a circle dot is the hold for 300 yards and the lines below for each additional 100 yards. I like that every other line is labeled with a number at the end of horizontal line for quick referencing. One of the issues with BDC reticles vs MRADS or MOA is that if you are shooting at distance, your spotter could have difficulty giving you corrections if he is looking through a scope that does not have the same BDC in it. 1000 Round Review The reticle is a little busy, but the BDC is super easy to use and almost fool proof after practicing with it. However, I was running into an issue past 300 yards - the lines did not correspond with my impacts. I was utilizing a 16” barrel and 62 grain Federal ammo. I was hitting low past 300 yards, which threw off the remaining BDC lines. I like the added ranging circles set at 10 inches for the range reference. Especially with the average human male’s head being roughly 10 inches from chin to top of the head. The thickness of the horseshoe cone is a little concerning to me, as it can obscure objects surrounding the target down range that could be causal, such as in hostage or multiple target situation. Creeping the outer diameter of the cone/horseshoe and make it about half as thick I think would help with it obstructing, and it would still be thick enough to pick up quickly for CQC snap shot situations. I really like the size of the dots, as they allow for very precise shots with pinpoint accuracy. I like the numbering at the edges as a quick reference to keep you from getting “lost in the sauce”. I’m confused by the thicker dots at 7, 8, and 9. I’d leave them the same size as the rest. The walking man and running man notches are a nice reference. Learning the wind hold references (regarding the dashes or “clicks”, and the gaps or “half clicks”) is a little difficult at first, as I am used to referencing MRADs in the .10 measurement. I’m sure after time and practice with a spotter, the lingo could be figured out, but I would rather see mil dots in the .25 or .5 range just to simplify the calls. Especially if my spotter is using a spotting scope with mil dots. Final Conclusion I like the construction and glass. The throw lever, 1.1-10x magnification, first focal plane, sharpness of the reticle, and clarity of the glass were very nice. I would include an instruction manual on how to use the BDC and possibly make some of the dots smaller and horseshoe thinner to make it a little less busy. Maybe even just illuminate the horseshoe and middle dot instead of the entire reticle to help with the busyness of the reticle, especially for CQC purposes. Just having basically a dot illuminated would help with speed of point shooting at CQC distances. Also, a true 1 power verses the 1.1 power is nice so you don’t get the distortion when doing CQC with both eyes open. Overall I give the optic a B+. |
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If you are in the neighborhood, we will be at the gun show in Mesa, Arizona this Saturday and Sunday (September 21 & 22).
Stop by and see Ed Verdugo for a LIVE demonstration of our new 1-10x Full Spectrum Optic - now back in stock! We would love to meet some of you AR15.com folks in person! Have a great weekend, be safe.... |
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We will be out at the Ontario, CA gun show this weekend. (Sat & Sun, Sept 5-6)
Stop by and visit with Ed Verdugo for a LIVE demonstration of our new GRSC 1-10x Full Spectrum Optic. We have scopes now back in stock! We would love to meet some of you AR15.com folks in person. Have a great weekend, be safe. |
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Below is a recent review of our new FSO 1-10x. The actual writer works in a sensitive LE position and gave us permission to post his review, as long as we did not reveal his identity or the specific agency's name. _______________________________________________________________________ ****** I always appreciate it when someone takes the time to review our 1.1 -10x30 FSO. I would like to make some comments on this review. EV My background With over a decade of law enforcement experience, both local and federal, I have utilized wide verity of optics. Throughout the years I have had the privilege to attend a wide verity of shooting courses and trainings from local, to state, to DOD. I am also curing the lead firearms instructor and sniper on my team. My primary experience with low magnification variable powered optics range from cheaper optics to primarily the Trijicon Accupoint 1.5-6 power, EO-Tech Vudu 1-6 power and the Vortex Razor Gen II 1-6 power. In last few years we have trained with some of the top tier operators and instructors in the United States. All that being said the trend has been leading heavily towards short to medium range variable powered optics. First impressions Body and function My out of the box initial impressions of the optic were that it seemed solid, good finish. The number one thing that caught my eye and I really liked was the throw lever. Its size, shape, and texture made adjusting the magnification very easy. It’s the most solid enhanced throw lever out of any of the low magnification variable powered optics that I have seen or handled. The turret caps spin off nicely revealing sturdy turrets that have a nice solid click adjustments. The illumination knob is also well done with the off position in between each level of illumination. Extras It comes with decent flip up scope caps witch is nice. Also the added bonus of the scope’s sun shroud and the anti-reflective lens cap is very nice. Glass The glass is clear and sharp, especially at distance compared to other scopes in the same price point. The 1.1 magnification was very slight but noticeable compared to a true 1 power. It is also misleading when on the scope it is labeled 1-10 power when it should be labeled 1.1-10 power. ******The tester had one of the early production or a prototype scope. Current production scopes are labeled 1.1-10. Reticle ON ONE POWER At one power, I really liked the circle dot feel of the reticle much like the EO-Tech circle of death. I feel like it works well for CQC and close target work. However, the inverted horseshoe seemed just a little too thick. I like that it is there because it definitely catches the eye and directs you to the very center of the reticle. When aiming at something at 100 yards or so on one power, it was nice that I could still see the finest dot inside the horseshoe, it reminded me of turning the illumination very low on a 1MOA dot of an EO-Tech for zeroing. I felt like I could really get a pinpoint shot, even more so than the fine crosshairs in a Vortex Razor or the 2MOA dot in an Aimpoint. I also liked when the entire reticle was illuminated - it almost seemed sort of like the triangle in a Accupoint or the chevron of an ACOG. What I did not like was how the horseshoe blocked a large amount around the target making it difficult, if there was a busy target down range, i.e. multiple people very close or in a hostage scenario or even just a paper target with multiple dots. I feel either more space around the center dot and the horseshoe or possibly a slightly thinner lined horseshoe may help with this. *******This is a very valid point about the thickness of the horseshoe (HS). The dimensions of the horseshoe's thickness was a comprise. My number one priority for the HS was speed at CQB distances. The HS is big enough to be fast but small enough to be precise. Head shots at typical room distances are relatively easy. Also I wanted the HS to show up well out doors at low power with no illumination even in brush and low light environments. The thickness adds to the performance of the HS in this role. We tested reticles with a thinner HS and also a mesh (see thru) HS. They were more difficult to pickup under the same environment. Also the the dimensions of the HS are critical to its performance as a range finder on heads and shoulders. The drawbacks are as the tester noted. ON TEN POWER First off, I have to say that it is awesome to see a 1-10 power optic, it is the first that I have seen and handled. Second, I love that it is a first focal plane scope. The way the reticle morphs from what seemed to be a circle dot when not illuminated on one power to a Christmas tree like reticle with elevation and windage hold dots. This mimics my favorite long distance reticle which is the Horus H59 in my long distance scopes. At ten power the horseshoe is very thick and does obscure some of the down range sight picture. Also unlike the H59 reticle the GRSC FSO reticle is not based off of MRADS. The BDC reticle is designed to be used with the 5.56 round and is supposed to be user friendly with this round. It appears to be set up for a 50 yard zero adhering that the round strikes at the same place at 50 yards and at 200 yards and slightly high at 100 yards, due to the arc of the bullet. Then a circle dot is the hold for 300 yards and the lines below for each additional 100 yards. I like that every other line is labeled with a number at the end of horizontal line for quick referencing. One of the issues with BDC reticles vs MRADS or MOA is that if you are shooting at distance, your spotter could have difficulty giving you corrections if he is looking through a scope that does not have the same BDC in it. *******The reticle is designed to be zeroed at 100 yds NOT 50 yds. This would have given better results at longer distances. 1000 Round Review The reticle is a little busy, but the BDC is super easy to use and almost fool proof after practicing with it. However, I was running into an issue past 300 yards - the lines did not correspond with my impacts. I was utilizing a 16” barrel and 62 grain Federal ammo. I was hitting low past 300 yards, which threw off the remaining BDC lines. I like the added ranging circles set at 10 inches for the range reference. Especially with the average human male’s head being roughly 10 inches from chin to top of the head. The thickness of the horseshoe cone is a little concerning to me, as it can obscure objects surrounding the target down range that could be causal, such as in hostage or multiple target situation. Creeping the outer diameter of the cone/horseshoe and make it about half as thick I think would help with it obstructing, and it would still be thick enough to pick up quickly for CQC snap shot situations. I really like the size of the dots, as they allow for very precise shots with pinpoint accuracy. I like the numbering at the edges as a quick reference to keep you from getting “lost in the sauce”. I’m confused by the thicker dots at 7, 8, and 9. I’d leave them the same size as the rest. The walking man and running man notches are a nice reference. Learning the wind hold references (regarding the dashes or “clicks”, and the gaps or “half clicks”) is a little difficult at first, as I am used to referencing MRADs in the .10 measurement. I’m sure after time and practice with a spotter, the lingo could be figured out, but I would rather see mil dots in the .25 or .5 range just to simplify the calls. Especially if my spotter is using a spotting scope with mil dots. ******The aiming dots on the center line from 7-12 hundred yards are 10" at the given distance. This allows you to quickly compare the aiming dot to the size of a head at longer ranges. Some may think that a 10" aiming dot is way to big a aiming point at those distances. Please remember what this reticle was made for (combat) and the type of rifles/ammo that it was designed to be used with. Try keeping your shots into 10" at 700 yards and beyond with these type rifles and ammo. Also this scope was intended to be issued to every man on a fire team, therefore your spotter (fire team member) would be calling your corrections using the same scope and reticle, or he could make the follow up shot for you. Final Conclusion I like the construction and glass. The throw lever, 1.1-10x magnification, first focal plane, sharpness of the reticle, and clarity of the glass were very nice. I would include an instruction manual on how to use the BDC and possibly make some of the dots smaller and horseshoe thinner to make it a little less busy. Maybe even just illuminate the horseshoe and middle dot instead of the entire reticle to help with the busyness of the reticle, especially for CQC purposes. Just having basically a dot illuminated would help with speed of point shooting at CQC distances. Also, a true 1 power verses the 1.1 power is nice so you don’t get the distortion when doing CQC with both eyes open. Overall I give the optic a B+. ******The instruction manual is on line in the form of videos on our website at grscinc.com We have made hits on long range targets in low light conditions many times. Hits that would not be possible without having the whole reticle illumined. I totally agree that a true 1x would be great. Maybe in the future someone will pull it off, but for now IMO at 1.1x in the CQB environment this thing works very well. *****I would like to give a big thanks to the tester for his evaluation and look forward to more hands on evaluations. ***** FYI I will have the 1.1-10 FSO at the gun show this weekend in Prescott Az. Hope to see some of you there. Thanks Ed Verdugo View Quote |
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Is the buy one get one free deal still going?
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Is the buy one get one free deal still going? Also, how does the BDC correspond to 6.5? View Quote Yes, Buy a NP 1-6x24 CRS at regular price ($1025.00 + tax) and get you will receive a 1.1-10x30 FSO at no extra cost. Shipping included. I have not used the 1-4, 1-6 or 1.1-10 with the any of the 6.5 calibers. There is a guy (LURRP52) on the 6.5 grendel forums that has used scopes with my reticles. You might try to contact him for information. FYI, I will be at the gun show in Ventura Ca. this weekend Oct. 26&27 showing the 1-6 CRS and 1.1-10 FSO. Hope to see some people from ARFCOM there. Ed |
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To our California folks:
We will be out at the Lancaster, CA gun show this coming weekend. (Sat & Sun, November 9-10) Stop by our table and visit with Ed Verdugo for a LIVE demonstration of our new GRSC 1-10x Full Spectrum Optic. We have scopes now back in stock! We would love to meet some of you AR15.com folks in person. |
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Here is a photo from one of our customer's kit to include the GRSC 1-10x Full Spectrum Optic on his work rifle.
He informs us that he likes the FSO and that it has been performing well in his tests. Click below on the RED LINK to watch a video of off-hand target engagements at approximately 20 yards. The scope magnification is set to 1.1x Rifle is 5.56 with a 12" barrel. Snap shooting using the GRSC 1-10x Full Spectrum Optic The hole in the HEAD target that must be shot through to hit the red flasher is about 4" The hole in the CHEST target that must be shot through to hit the red flasher is about 6" Well done JTAC, good shooting! Thank you for sharing your info with us. |
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Snap shooting with the GRSC 1-10x Full Spectrum Optic |
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? For those in the neighborhood, we will be at the Crossroads of the West Gun Show in Costa Mesa, CA this weekend, Nov 30 (Saturday) & (Sun) Dec 1.
Our new GRSC 1-10x Full Spectrum Optic is now back in stock! Stop by our table for a LIVE demonstration with Ed Verdugo, inventor of the Horseshoe Reticle. We would love to meet some of you AR15.com folks in-person. Be safe out there... |
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For those of you in the Arizona territories, we will be in Phoenix at the Small Arms Review / Crossroads of the West Gun Show
this weekend beginning Friday, Dec. 6 through Sunday, Dec. 8. Our new GRSC 1-10x Full Spectrum Optic is now back in stock! Stop by our table for a free demonstration and meet Ed Verdugo, inventor of the Comat Rifle Horseshoe Reticle. We would love to meet some of you AR15.com folks in person! Be safe out there.... |
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Here is a link (click below on the red link) to some reviews that have recently come in from a few US Government agencies.
Reviews for the GRSC 1-10x Full Spectrum Optic A big THANK YOU to all our customers and supporters during this past year! Happy Holidays and be safe out there.... |
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FYI,
We are having a sale on the 1.1-10x30 FSO with the T1 Reticle from today until 1-24-20. A $100.00 discount off the MSRP. The sale price will be $475.00 full price, tax and shipping included. These scopes come with a thirty day money back guarantee. If you don't like it, send it back for a full refund. The scopes can be purchased from our website. HERE IS A DIRECT LINK TO OUR SPECIAL SALE grscinc.com Thanks Ed Verdugo |
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Saw you guys at the SAR show here in Phoenix.
Getting ready to build another AR may use this scope. Will you be doing any gun shows in Arizona this year? |
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