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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Tacpoint test and range report (Page 2 of 4)
Mine came the same way, yeah I thought it was strange too  I removed both the Aimpoint and the Tacpoint from the tupperware this morning. I dried both of them using compressed air and a dish towel. Upon close inspection, neither of the tubes has any moisture in them and both of them are functioning 100%. Sometime later this week I'm going to take my ML2 out of it's ARMS #22M68 and put the Tacpoint in it and zero it. So far I am pleased with the results of my testing. |
I talked to Scopes and more via email and they said they are getting a large shipment in around the end of July and they will email me when they show up. $109 for a red dot that can stand rifle drops works for me. I'll post again when I hear they are in stock. |
I think of issues you can find in the EE board under Feedback and Comments. For those that still need it here is the link: www.jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=109&t=214414 |
Yep, that's always been my understanding. If somebody says "waterproof" without quoting a depth, I am suspicious. |
Are you having trouble imagining what an aimpoint in a bowl of water looks like? Maybe you would like time-stamped pictures every minute for 8 hours as "proof"?
1 word: glass. |
No, I can imagine what that looks like. I can imagine it doing all kinds of things. Imagination proves nothing....dunk it and take a few pictures, whats the big deal? I just want someone to put their money where their mouth is. |
No offense, but that's kinda silly. A picture of an Aimpoint in water only proves it can sit in a bowl for a fraction of a second. If you want a 9hr movie, then that's a different story. Would it really help you sleep better at night to see a wet Aimpoint? I've dunked my OKO, M2, ML2, Aimpoint 5k and EoTechs in water with no ill effects. I've left a couple of them on the bottom of my 29gal aquarium for a day...just for S&G. Do you just not believe people when they say their optics are waterproof? Edited to add: I'm buying a TacPoint from a group buy on another site just because it looks like a good deal for a range plinker. I'll probably dunk it, too. If it fails, then I'll exchange it for a new one. |
Did you sleep better after dunking your OKO, M2, ML2, 5k and Eotech's? I just wanted to see to see if it would fog up a little then dry out like the Tacpoint, but nobody was willing to show us....maybe they just don't have the confidence in their optic. |
The Aimpoints are waterproof....they don't fog up. But a picture can't prove that. That's why I don't understand your request. Either you believe the claim or you don't...it's as simple as that. |
A picture could prove that. If one were to take said optic from the water it was soaked in, and puts the optic into something warm with camera in hand one could take a picture of it still likely damp and position the optic with the glass pointed at the camera either there will be fog, or their won't. 
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I agree. I believe my airbag will deploy in a crash, but I'm not wrecking my truck to prove it. Aimpoint and EOTech both say that thier units are waterproof and combat tested, and untill I hear different from our boys overseas, I guess I will just believe that too.  |
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Well I dont own either yet, but my 2 cents, as far as a aimpoint not fogging, Im kinda like strick909, I want to hear from our guys overseas right now, and as tangochaser stated in this thread ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=192707&page=6 ( I hope I copied it right), that even as tough as the aimpoint are when stressed they fog also, at least a percentage of them during his training did. Still havent made up my mind yet on what red dot to go with, but I thought I read some where that the land of the rising sun were handing out the hakko red dot for their military, surely someone can find testing documentation for this, Ive looked but cant find anything, still searching -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If they used an Aimpoint it would still be up and running -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not neccessarily. I attended an Advanced Urban Combat Course prior to this deployment and the guys with Aimpoints in the class had a 60% failure rate. Most were from leaks causing the lenses to fog. The others just failed to turn on. In Aimpoint's defense, CQC is very tough on weapons and equipment when you are climbing in and out of windows, busting down doors, wrestling with OPFOR, getting hit with simunitions, and fighting in the rain and snow. Edited cuase I'm suffering from sleep deprivation, again. So after reading this it makes me wonder how tuff is tuff, I mean the only thing I got to worry about is really nothing compared to our guys in Iraq, yes I will use mine to defend my home, and that is very important to me, but the rigors I will put mine through I just dont know how much damage I will inflict on my sights, as I stated, I own neither, but I am watching all of the hakko threads at them moment and "anal"izing them in my own way for what I will need it for, everyone keep up the good work.Thanks Randy |
Personally, I don't see why everybody gets all bent out of shape over stuff like this. The simple fact of the matter is that not everyone can afford an Aimpoint, or an ACOG, or what have you. And some just cannot justify the additional expense. So what?!?! Big friggin deal! Have some of you ever pondered for a moment that some peoples lives do not revolve around "cool guy gear," and may not be as much of a priority for some as it so often as, it so obviously appears, it is for others? If someone wants to strap a roll of Charmin on their damned rifle, let 'em. Now, this is a discussion forum and people will more than willingly offer up their opinions on such matters, but in the end some of you may as well just be arguing with a wall. I'm all for trying to clue someone in on the fact that they may be heading down the wrong path on certain gear, but it's rather pathetic to sit back and post snide remarks, pout, and whine when someone chooses to continue to go with certain other gear and ignore advice from the wanna-be "go farther and faster" club -- you know who you are.  Flame on... |
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Well I bought an Aimpoint ML2 yesterday, with ARMS M68 mount for $400 ($315+$80+tax). I thought hard about the tacpoint, and came to the conclusion that while it would probably be fine for everyday range use, I wanted something for SHTF. I may still pick up a tacpoint so I can rotate it around on my other rifles, for the range, plinking. |
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Have you guys read this report? www.bob-oracle.com/SWATreport.htm  Figure 34. Gen I M68 with condensation
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WTF does this have to do with the Tacpoint???? It's like comparing how a series of early model Chevy 350 V8's did under torture testing conditions compared to a Yugo 4 cylinder under easy US freeway driving conditions!!! Get real guys! |
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Quoted: Have you guys read this report? www.bob-oracle.com/SWATreport.htm Is there a cliff notes version of this  or better yet someone just tell me what it says, thanks
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Great read. Thanks EEJ. |
Thanks EEJ, I was just too tired last night, if Im gonna buy a red dot, that might leak at some point, me thinks I would rather spend 100 instead of 400, but, Im just like some around here, its each persons money to do with what they want, none of my buisness what anyone purchases, thanks for the find.Also, someone correct me if Im wrong, and according to SWMBO, thats all the time, but doesnt the tacpoint have a lifetime guarantee where the aimpoint is only for 10 years and only for the original purchaser? IF thats wrong someone please correct me, because I still havent pulled the trigger on either yet,but, the warranty is one of the deciding factors, thanks. |
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just my .02 I have a Hakko BED-30, Multi Reticule. Doccumentation says and I quote " Fully Waterproof" even with caps removed. I haven't tested this as NZ is a long way from the Store in the US I purchased it from. I like it and yes cost was a factor, Aimpoints go for 1200 NZ dollars at present. I us it in 3 gun shoots and so far all is well. Yes we shoot in the rain!! I can fully appreciate the guy's who rave about Aimpoints etc but I personally would rater spend the money on Ammo. Heaven forbid the SHTF down here I would be firstly running away until it's no longer an option. If I had to shoot then open sights may not be as funky as optic's but they work and the "dot's" never missing and battery never flat!!!!!!!!! |
I'll bet you $100 that nobody asked the troops! It was probably a frigging "command" decision and nobody even tried them from the CP. I hate it when there is ignorance masked with arrogance. |
No complaints. Has been bounced around I trucks and no worries. I mainly use it for 3 gun. The 3MOA dot is perfect for the 8 inch plates out to 150m or so while If I change the reticule to dot with circle its great for the run and gun stages. Also works well on rabbits, possums etc when shooting with a spotlight from a vehicle, (this is perfectly legal here). Buy One for the money I think they are good value. They aren't in the same legue as Aimpoint etc but were never ment to be. If they were they would cost more. |
I don't know about the Tacpoint, but if someone wants to do a ruggedness test on a Russian PK-01 and see how it compares to an Aimpoint, I'd be interested in seeing the results. Btw, Pic was shamelessly stolen from the PK-01's add at Freedom Optics where its listed for $145.95. I'm probably going to put on of these on an AK |
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I need to clarify my statement earlier about the 60% failure rate of the Aimpoint in training. We were training in some freakin cold weather and fogging will be alot faster and prevelant in cold weather. Here in Iraq, I haven't heard much about any problems with the aimpoints. I don't know if they have Gen I or Gen II. I will get a Tacpoint in the near future and test it over here. Hey that's why they pay me the big bucks. |
Well Tango thats one test I will be looking forward to reading, thanks for doing that, and thanks for your service  and no they dont pay any of our military guys enough, for what yall do, no where near enough in my opinion.
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| Here's a quick update on Nightvisionweb's customer service. I sent them back my Tacpoint about a week ago with a picture of the condensation and recieved an e-mail today that said they just got their shipment of Tacpoints in and that my replacement was on the way. Two thumbs up for Nightvisionweb's customer service and Hakko's lifetime warranty. For the price and the warranty you can go wrong with a Tacpoint and Nightvisionweb will take care of you if anything goes wrong. I will definitely be doing business with them again. |
I dumped my Aimpoint M2 and my EOTech 552 Rev F in my frined's pool. I was suppose to leeave it there for few hours since i was there for a little BBQ and swim. well, stroy goes, i had some Johnny Walk black, then some more Johny walker balck and some more. I end up leaving my friend's house around 3:00am. completely forgot about my sight in his pool. Got a call next day while my friend was fishing all the shot glasses, bottles and misc. items out of his pool. and he found the two sights still sitting at the deep end of the pool(10ft). I figure that was about 14 hours in the pool. I ask him to fish it out and check the sights. Aimpoint was still on, EOTech had activiated the auto shut off but turned on without a problem. no condensation, batteries were dry and the sight kept zero on my next range day. My little water proof story. 
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I just ordered one about an hour ago. I told him to "... make sure he doesn't send me Drifter's old Tacpoint ..." He laughed. Told me he sent your replacement out already. |
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