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Posted: 4/1/2008 9:46:26 AM EDT
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You raise a good point. However, I see, 11 cents/round for 5.45 ($120/1080 rounds, Bulgarian from Aim) and 24 cents/rnd for 5.56 ($120/500 from Aim) If the upper costs $580 / 13 cents (difference from 556 - 545) then thats 4,462 rounds you'd have to shoot of 5.56 to break even. I think it's worth it for people that shoot ALOT. You're definitely right that consumers need to figure out if they shoot enough for it to be worth it. I had a local friend make mine from a surplus Bulgarian chrome lined barrel. I've got $200 in my upper (from parts I had laying around that I wasn't using) so I have to shoot 1,538 rounds to pay that off. Not a problem for me since I am using a RDIAS and can go through that in a couple weekends. Being a cheapass, I'll admit, that if I had to pay $580 for the upper, I probably wouldn't bother going to the 5.45 setup either but that's just me. I took the risk and shot some 5.45 that a friend gave me and after seeing that it works, bought 10,000 rounds from Aim to make it worth my while. |
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Posted: 4/1/2008 10:27:24 AM EDT
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If its worth it to YOU thats all that matters.
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Posted: 4/1/2008 10:38:23 AM EDT
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I'm a fan of 5.45 for AKs. A .22LR upper for an AR makes a lot more sense to me. 2 cents per round vs. $0.12. Yeah, you don't get the same recoil, noise, etc, but fire off some real .223 at the end of your practice session.
The cheap 5.45 ammo is (1) corrosive and (2) steel core, making it a no-go for shooting on steel targets or any kind of steel backstop (ie indoor ranges). I don't want to deal with corrosive ammo unless I'm shooting more than 300 rds per day, which unfortunately I don't get to do very often 
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Posted: 4/1/2008 8:16:25 PM EDT
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For full auto there is a lot of attraction. I already have an upper with an AA barrel, I just need to get the magazine issues ironed out. |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 7:19:49 AM EDT
[#5]
Are these shipping today?
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Posted: 4/4/2008 8:08:37 AM EDT
[#6]
no, they are mid month i would guess around the 21st
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Posted: 4/5/2008 3:06:08 PM EDT
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Who has good 5.56 for 24 cents a round? I'll buy all of it. |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 5:46:17 AM EDT
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I mentioned "where" in my original post. I don't know how good it is. Just comparing steel cased 5.45 to steel cased 5.56 to be fair. Aim |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 10:18:34 PM EDT
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Can we get the blue followers seperate? Will they fit in normal GI mags?
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Posted: 4/8/2008 4:18:12 PM EDT
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From another thread, here is some information on the Olympic upper currently being sold.
I like the SS barrel, but honestly wish it was 14.5” if you can silver-solder regular steel to stainless steel? Anyone know anything about the “Black Tac finish”? I want a flat-top upper and an F-height FSB |
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Posted: 4/13/2008 7:30:28 AM EDT
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bye bye money.....
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Posted: 4/13/2008 7:42:15 AM EDT
[#12]
...no...bye bye cheap 5.45 
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Posted: 4/13/2008 4:49:14 PM EDT
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If you shoot big volume chances are you reload - 5.45 steel case cannot be reloaded. If you DO reload, then after firing the new ammo the first time, cost goes down with each reload as you do not have to purchase the case. PLUS you can be 100% certain that your ammo is not corrosive. While the SS barrel might be no issue with the corrosive ammo (still want to be careful) do take into account the AR gas system dumps back onto the FCB and bolt/carrier. Swapping out the gas system for an OPROD just increased the break even point. Also, volume shooters might not have stacks of 6.8 mags handy and we are getting feedback that not all mags work - some folks get HK mags to work, others don't. Some get the SA80s to work, others don't. Some use standard 223, other can't get those to work for more than 5 rounds. So you have to add the cost of mags to the equation as well ... 5,45 may not be all that attractive ... but it is cheap to buy right now ... |
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Posted: 4/13/2008 7:26:05 PM EDT
[#14]
TAG
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Posted: 4/15/2008 10:40:28 AM EDT
[#15]
Any body gotten theirs yet?
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Posted: 4/15/2008 11:49:55 AM EDT
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the original release Date was May 1st, but we expected them around the 17th, i think that time line isn't current anymore...i am waiting for more info but the rumor is the uppers are done but the are waiting on blue followers
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Posted: 4/25/2008 8:16:03 AM EDT
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bump for any new info.
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Posted: 4/27/2008 4:19:42 AM EDT
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I ordered mine through militarygunsupply.com and I see that the original release date has been pushed back to the 15 of next month.
I imagine this is due to them waiting for the mag followers? Anyone have any definitive info on what mags will work, ie. Hk, Pmags etc.
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Posted: 4/27/2008 6:11:35 AM EDT
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Two Weeks
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Posted: 4/29/2008 6:55:36 AM EDT
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Tag to see comparison pics to my custom built upper.
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Posted: 4/29/2008 8:23:57 PM EDT
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So how is your upper working for you? What mags? My buddy has the AA built upper and says it always worked great, said Rom. 5.45 needed to be cleaned immediately.... and said steel AR mags worked fine for him.. Talo upper should be fun once it gets here |
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Posted: 4/30/2008 2:33:10 AM EDT
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It should be here today or tommorow.
I am trying EVERYTHING for mags, I am waiting for the cproducts ones to be released.... |
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Posted: 5/3/2008 3:19:50 PM EDT
[#23]
Any new news?
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Posted: 5/4/2008 7:45:55 PM EDT
[#24]
bye bye $$$
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Posted: 5/7/2008 6:47:24 AM EDT
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Bryan,
Any idea how long this upper will be in production? Is it a limited run or will this be on sale for the forseeable future? |
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Posted: 5/10/2008 2:11:03 PM EDT
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My understanding is a limited run.
I need to get some pics of custom one up, sorry. I still have not had a chance to shoot it. I am having problems with my extraction right now when hand chambering. All of my feeding issues from all mags were solved by adding feedramps. I think I need to take a few coils off of my ejector spring to help it seat. |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 4:19:41 PM EDT
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needs a bump for fuzzy
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Posted: 5/18/2008 4:48:44 PM EDT
[#28]
i heard this week tht Smith put this off till Mid June
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Posted: 5/18/2008 7:05:32 PM EDT
[#29]
What about the olympic uppers?
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Posted: 5/18/2008 8:05:46 PM EDT
[#30]
WTF? I have had one on order since mid march. I already have the 5.45
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Posted: 5/18/2008 8:07:17 PM EDT
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I saw the Olympic 5.45 upper at the NRA Convention this weekend. The rep said they where shipping with the 6.8 CProducts mags for now but that CPproducts would be making a new 5.45 mag. Talked with Larry at the CProducts both and he confirmed they where making the mag, and said they should have it ready in a few weeks. By the way the new 7.62x39 mags looked great. |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 5:36:10 AM EDT
[#32]
Did they give a reason for the delay? |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 6:05:38 AM EDT
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I shot mine for the first time this weekend. Just running milspec bulgy ammo was enough to fix any failures to extract/eject. I will need to get a more powerful hammer spring, as the only issue I had was getting the military primers to ignite - had to shoot them twice. Other than that, there was a little more recoil than my AR.
Still need to post pics - sorry
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Posted: 5/19/2008 6:39:58 AM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=121&t=369012&page=4
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Posted: 5/19/2008 4:42:26 PM EDT
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just what is yours? custom? |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 6:35:33 PM EDT
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Here is a video of my CUSTOM build.
www.livevideo.com/video/CF8638F6050D4502A1D3535EA3E51E16/5-45x39mm-upper.aspx Full auto using RDIAS. AR47 lower. Barrel is a chrome lined Bulgarian AK-74 barrel that has been threaded/headspaced for the AR/M16 barrel extension. Unmodified 45 round Bulgarian mag. |
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Posted: 5/20/2008 8:11:52 AM EDT
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Yup - Had Kurt over at Kustom Firearms turn a 74 barrel into an Ar midlength barrel and open up the boltface and extractor to fit the 5.45. Works on any AR lower. works with my suppressor and bayonet too. |
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Posted: 5/20/2008 2:40:51 PM EDT
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It's shipping in April!!........................... Wait, no, shipping in May!!............................... Oops, well, um, shipping in June!!!............................................ This is NOT directed at AimSurplus....but in general.... Wtf is going on with firearm manufacturers these days?? I am sick of hearing about delay here, delay there, maybe next decade, etc..... I had some money aside for this too, but all this delay from everybody is really disappointing. |
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Posted: 5/20/2008 4:26:09 PM EDT
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Here here!!! Tell me about it! I have had one on order for about two months when it was only supposed to be a 2 week wait until they had the uppers. I know it is not the distributers fault though, but C'mon. |
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Posted: 5/20/2008 4:59:38 PM EDT
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Takes alot to get this caliber to work without using an AK barrel. I am by no means making excuses for S&W, but I went the way I did for a reason. I hope the delays are that they are fixing problems before release to keep from having to dedicate more time to the project on the back side. There are some real issues with the barrel and dealing with combloc ammo.
anyways, I just really want the mags. Here is mine.  Weighs in at under 7 lbs unloaded with empty mag, light and sling.  My AK barrel threaded to take an A2 for a gemtech Halo, and the shim under the gasblock to allow me to use a correct "F" stamped FSB.  Not the best pic, but you can see the machine work on the bolt face if you look.... All I need to do is add a wolff extra power hammer spring and I am good to go. |
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Posted: 5/20/2008 6:16:46 PM EDT
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Thanks for the pics....... Who did the work? |
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Posted: 5/21/2008 5:22:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/24/2008 3:53:30 PM EDT
[#43]
Hi everyone, I'm new here.
I, too, have been waiting for the S&W Talo 5.45 upper since early April. Military Gun Supply just offered the Olympic Arms 5.45 Upper so I took the bait. Within 24 hrs I received a UPS notification that it is in transit and due to arrive next Wed. Anyone else have any knowledge or opinion on this product ? thanks BNL |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 9:55:48 AM EDT
[#44]
Check the previous page. |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 11:20:10 AM EDT
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Has anyone received their S&W / Talo 5.45 upper yet ?
I got tired of waiting and ordered the Olympic Arms upper from Military Gun Supply and "Big Brown" delivered it today. Looks nice; stainless steel 16" heavy barrel (not M4 confgured), flat top upper with a Cproducts 20rd 6.8SPC mag included. Also comes with a heavy duty hammer spring in case my lower did not hit those military primers hard enough. It fit tightly onto my DelTon lower. Just enough time to fire a couple mags to see how well everything functions. I'll test for accuracy another time. I loaded up some WASP Bulgarian since that is what everyone is stockpiling at $119.95 per 1080 rds (AIM). Conclusions on this first trial- everything worked fine. My lower hit the primers with energy to spare- no need for the new hammer spring. All empties ejected into a tight pile about 15 feet away at 4 o'clock to my right. The included 6.8SPC mag functioned ok with no failures. I also brought along an Alexander Arms 6.5 Grendel mag advertised at 26 rds and it also functioned properly. I did not try any standard .223/5.56 mags today. Next time when I test for accuracy I'll try some other mags for functioning. Can anyone else report on this upper ? I'm sure those of you still waiting would like to hear more results. |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 12:17:37 PM EDT
[#46]
PICS! |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 12:30:29 PM EDT
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Here is their pic:
http://www.militarygunsupply.com/shop2/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37&products_id=461 |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 12:44:43 PM EDT
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Do you have any Wolf 5.45 70 grain to test? I stockpiled a lot of that because for one it is non-corrosive and 2 it can be had for about $165 shipped.
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Posted: 5/29/2008 4:28:18 PM EDT
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Sorry, I have no Wolf ammo to test. As for heavier bullets, looking at my spent cases I inadvertently mixed in a 322-97 headstamp. This is from a batch of Romanian "match" ammo I bought 8-9 years ago from Tenn. Arms. The bullet is lead cored with no air gap and is apprx. 63-65 grains. It functioned just fine, but again, I wasn't paying attention to accuracy. I have a CIA Tantal that hates this stuff- constant keyholing. I'm guessing it's just an issue with that particular rifle. Sorry I can't provide any more help. Next time I'll try different variations of ammo for accuracy.
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Posted: 6/4/2008 8:30:38 PM EDT
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HA HA.....I live in the PRC (people's republic of california). I got tired of waiting and got the olympic arms model also...I had to file out the rear pin hole to get the take down pin to go in easily (though I have heard that is common with ALL Oly uppers) I put the upper on a Spike's lower. They sent me the follower only because I live in a commie blue state, and it did not work so well in a 10 round mag...the rim of the 5.45 was catching on the ribs of the mag (but I noticed that the ribs in the 6.8 mags are not as pronounced as they are in the 5.56 mags. BUT....I did get them to feed no problem out of a PMAG....I have a 20 round PMAG with a spacer block epoxied in there, it works well because there are not ribs and the spring tension on the mag spring is a little higher now, I might need to file out the front of the feed lips just a hair to make it happier but not problems thus far. I got about 50 round of the wolf 70grain 5.45 and it fed and ejected fine. One thing to check on the OLY uppers though....supposedly.....the first few they made were just 5.56 uppers that they milled the chambers out to make into 5.45, thus after about 25 yards the thing would not be on target and you would actually get a tumbler at that range, so before you fire it or do ANYTHING to it, take the flash hider off and put a 5.45 round into the muzze of the barrel, if it stops and you can see some of the copper jacket....you're fine. if it goes all the way in and wiggles a bit...you're screwed.
Anyways...with my CA legal Pmags, it fed, fired, extracted, ejected, and cycled with NO PROBLEMS. I think my next step is to have the PWS gas system installed and then I will have my "AR-74" (I cannot take credit for that term, Thanks to the guy at Irvington arms in Fremont, CA for coining that phrase). Once I get the FDE UBR stock on it (running a FDE color scheme with this one) I will try to get some pics up here (if and when I figure out how to load photos on here). I WOULD love to hear how th 6.8 and the 6.5 mags work with the 5.45 though..... |
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