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Posted: 3/4/2019 8:52:12 PM EDT
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I was told to send them in...they send out new ones. So they are saying the creases aren't normal? |
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Posted: 3/4/2019 10:04:12 PM EDT
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I heard back from okay industries today, and they are replacing the cracked mag at no cost to me. The guy I talked to said he hasn’t seen anything like this in the years he’s worked there, and I’m inclined to believe him since okay makes good stuff. I’m thinking that the cracked magazine is just a fluke, especially considering that I haven’t seen any other instances of E2 mags breaking like this after being out for about a year now. As Scout said earlier, it looks like the weld simply failed. As for the creases in the back of the feed lips, if it’s just a cosmetic thing then I really don’t care that much about them. As long as we don’t start to see others failing similarly to mine, I’d say the E2 mags are gtg Thank you for following up on this. 
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Posted: 3/4/2019 10:08:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? So they are saying the creases aren't normal? Give me time. |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 12:31:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? So they are saying the creases aren't normal? |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 12:42:24 AM EDT
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@pizdets thank you for the follow up!
@tooly are you planning to post what Okay said to you? |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 12:53:21 AM EDT
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@pizdets thank you for the follow up! @tooly are you planning to post what Okay said to you? ((I bought 16 e2 mags and noticed they all have these "splits/lines/cracks" just under the feed lips. And none have been loaded. But look like they are definitely weak points. Someone on a gun forum has had theirs actually split open. The date codes on all 16 of mine are 02/18. I also have older okay mags that have been used and dont look this bad. Id appreciate it if you guys can get back to me on this. Thanks, Chris)) His response.... ((That is a first for me and I have been here for years, I have truly never seen one cracked like that but, I would be more than happy to replace that magazines for you at no cost to you. I would kindly ask that you ship that back to us as I would like to bring that to our QA lab for analysis. I don’t have a mechanism to pay you for the return shipment but, I would be more than happy to send some extra magazines of your choosing for your troubles and any cost incurred from the return shipment. I sincerely apologize, this is not indicative of the quality OKAY puts out especially on an item that could potentially save or cost a life. Please let me know if you can proceed as outlined. The return address is)) |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 10:25:28 AM EDT
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I'm not surprised at how Okay responded. Good bunch of people.
I was around the Brownells mags back when that was going on. The only failures I saw were on mags that were dropped partially loaded a lot. The rounds would hammer that crease in the feedlips open a little. I actually took a pair of pliers and ripped the feedlips open on a Brownells and a Center IIRC just to see the difference and it took significantly less effort to pull the feedlips on the creased mag. |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 10:53:43 AM EDT
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Here man...This is what I said. ((I bought 16 e2 mags and noticed they all have these "splits/lines/cracks" just under the feed lips. And none have been loaded. But look like they are definitely weak points. Someone on a gun forum has had theirs actually split open. The date codes on all 16 of mine are 02/18. I also have older okay mags that have been used and dont look this bad. Id appreciate it if you guys can get back to me on this. Thanks, Chris)) His response.... ((That is a first for me and I have been here for years, I have truly never seen one cracked like that but, I would be more than happy to replace that magazines for you at no cost to you. I would kindly ask that you ship that back to us as I would like to bring that to our QA lab for analysis. I don’t have a mechanism to pay you for the return shipment but, I would be more than happy to send some extra magazines of your choosing for your troubles and any cost incurred from the return shipment. I sincerely apologize, this is not indicative of the quality OKAY puts out especially on an item that could potentially save or cost a life. Please let me know if you can proceed as outlined. The return address is)) Thank you, sir! |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 11:35:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2019 11:50:17 AM EDT
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Ok guys....just got off the phone with NICK!
Great guy...Im not sending any mags out! I believe him and what hes told me...he's pulled out mags and they look like the pic I took and sent to him. If later on I have any issues Im sure they will handle it and it'll be.....OKAY! 
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Posted: 3/5/2019 12:07:44 PM EDT
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Ok guys....just got off the phone with NICK! Great guy...Im not sending any mags out! I believe him and what hes told me...he's pulled out mags and they look like the pic I took and sent to him. If later on I have any issues Im sure they will handle it and it'll be.....OKAY! I see what you did there... 
Thanks again for your work tracking down this information! 
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Posted: 3/5/2019 12:50:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sweet! I see what you did there...
Thanks again for your work tracking down this information! We all fam.
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Posted: 3/5/2019 3:03:50 PM EDT
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Ok guys....just got off the phone with NICK! Great guy...Im not sending any mags out! I believe him and what hes told me...he's pulled out mags and they look like the pic I took and sent to him. If later on I have any issues Im sure they will handle it and it'll be.....OKAY! |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 7:19:27 PM EDT
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*UPDATE*
THIS COMPANY GIVES A SHIT! GOOD PEOPLE! Hi Chris, UPDATE……..we had a discussion today with the director of quality and our production supervisor. We are ready to jump back into the press to blank another production run but, we are going to pay special attention to this area of the magazine and pull early samples from the run for analysis. Our QA lab wants to take some time to inspect the line on the rear of the feed lips to ensure it has not affect on material strength or function. We do not suspect that it will but, with critical feedback such as what you provided we can never be to safe. You may not know this but all of our magazines including the current USGI magazines all flow through the same process so our commercial stuff gets treated with the same level or care and scrutiny as the government magazines. Everything gets gauges and tested at least three times…………….hence to “used” look of our new grey dry film lube magazines. I will keep you posted as more information presents itself. Again, than you for reaching out Chris, all the best! Best regards, Nick Discenza |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 7:28:43 PM EDT
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*UPDATE* THIS COMPANY GIVES A SHIT! GOOD PEOPLE! Hi Chris, UPDATE……..we had a discussion today with the director of quality and our production supervisor. We are ready to jump back into the press to blank another production run but, we are going to pay special attention to this area of the magazine and pull early samples from the run for analysis. Our QA lab wants to take some time to inspect the line on the rear of the feed lips to ensure it has not affect on material strength or function. We do not suspect that it will but, with critical feedback such as what you provided we can never be to safe. You may not know this but all of our magazines including the current USGI magazines all flow through the same process so our commercial stuff gets treated with the same level or care and scrutiny as the government magazines. Everything gets gauges and tested at least three times…………….hence to “used” look of our new grey dry film lube magazines. I will keep you posted as more information presents itself. Again, than you for reaching out Chris, all the best! Best regards, Nick Discenza
When I have a constructive complaint at work, it falls on deaf ears. |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 7:44:14 PM EDT
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Nice to see high level CS like this.
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Posted: 3/5/2019 7:51:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. That’s how you deal with a problem, by not ignoring it.
When I have a constructive complaint at work, it falls on deaf ears. |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 8:19:58 PM EDT
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*UPDATE* THIS COMPANY GIVES A SHIT! GOOD PEOPLE! Hi Chris, UPDATE……..we had a discussion today with the director of quality and our production supervisor. We are ready to jump back into the press to blank another production run but, we are going to pay special attention to this area of the magazine and pull early samples from the run for analysis. Our QA lab wants to take some time to inspect the line on the rear of the feed lips to ensure it has not affect on material strength or function. We do not suspect that it will but, with critical feedback such as what you provided we can never be to safe. You may not know this but all of our magazines including the current USGI magazines all flow through the same process so our commercial stuff gets treated with the same level or care and scrutiny as the government magazines. Everything gets gauges and tested at least three times…………….hence to “used” look of our new grey dry film lube magazines. I will keep you posted as more information presents itself. Again, than you for reaching out Chris, all the best! Best regards, Nick Discenza 
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Posted: 3/5/2019 8:54:20 PM EDT
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*UPDATE* THIS COMPANY GIVES A SHIT! GOOD PEOPLE! Hi Chris, UPDATE……..we had a discussion today with the director of quality and our production supervisor. We are ready to jump back into the press to blank another production run but, we are going to pay special attention to this area of the magazine and pull early samples from the run for analysis. Our QA lab wants to take some time to inspect the line on the rear of the feed lips to ensure it has not affect on material strength or function. We do not suspect that it will but, with critical feedback such as what you provided we can never be to safe. You may not know this but all of our magazines including the current USGI magazines all flow through the same process so our commercial stuff gets treated with the same level or care and scrutiny as the government magazines. Everything gets gauges and tested at least three times…………….hence to “used” look of our new grey dry film lube magazines. I will keep you posted as more information presents itself. Again, than you for reaching out Chris, all the best! Best regards, Nick Discenza |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 9:22:16 PM EDT
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THIS is why I only run Okay Industries magazines, they have jumped on this and will make it right.
Every manufacturer SHOULD operate like this, unfortunately many don’t as in the debacle with Mako selling E-Lander magazines. They tried to claim that virtually ever M-16/AR-15 manufacturer was out of spec and their magazines were perfect. |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 9:36:46 PM EDT
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I have a question.
Do these E2 mags feed the cartridges at a different angle than standard Okay Mags? Aren't they essentially a civilian version of the EPM? |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 10:16:02 PM EDT
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I posted about the feed angle a few pages back when the subject came up (here). The E2 is not a civilian EPM - the feed lip design is different. The key point is that Okay did not design the E2 with a different feed angle, nor was it optimized to feed M855A1 because they don’t expect the civilian market to have ready access to that round. However, the cut back feed lips allow the rounds to angle up sooner (although my Bushmaster experience doesn’t seem to confirm that). This inadvertently helps feed the rounds at a more optimal angle. See the discussion leading up to the post I linked above.
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Posted: 3/5/2019 10:24:00 PM EDT
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I posted about the feed angle a few pages back when the subject came up (here). The E2 is not a civilian EPM - the feed lip design is different. The key point is that Okay did not design the E2 with a different feed angle, nor was it optimized to feed M855A1 because they don’t expect the civilian market to have ready access to that round. However, the cut back feed lips allow the rounds to angle up sooner (although my Bushmaster experience doesn’t seem to confirm that). This inadvertently helps feed the rounds at a more optimal angle. See the discussion leading up to the post I linked above. |
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Posted: 3/5/2019 10:56:02 PM EDT
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Wow, very pleasantly surprised with the response from OKAY on this (both with me and tooly). My next order of magazines just might have to be some more OKAY gi mags instead of some more lancers for this reason alone
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Posted: 3/6/2019 3:42:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine either. I hit ya back with his email. |
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Posted: 3/6/2019 8:04:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You emailed him? I hit ya back with his email. No I didn't email them yet. |
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Posted: 3/6/2019 9:40:18 PM EDT
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I've got several mags with those creased/indented areas at the rear of the feed lips. Okay, D&H, and Brownells -yet to have one split.
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Posted: 3/6/2019 10:47:08 PM EDT
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I've got several mags with those creased/indented areas at the rear of the feed lips. Okay, D&H, and Brownells -yet to have one split. I said it was normal. I think we got worried when the guy posted up the pic with the split e2 okay mag. |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 7:30:26 PM EDT
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Can I ask a favor of you fellow E2 Owners?
Can you check to see if there is any unusual binding or resistance, even ever so slight; when you depress down on the follower with a wooden paint stirrer or something similar? I just checked my two designated E2 range mags and I'm getting some resistance ( more with one mag than the other) when I depress the follower approximately 2/3rd way down into the mag body. I don't get this with any of my other mags, including a brand new Okay Surefeed I just received. Thanks. |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 8:05:52 PM EDT
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Can I ask a favor of you fellow E2 Owners? Can you check to see if there is any unusual binding or resistance, even ever so slight; when you depress down on the follower with a wooden paint stirrer or something similar? I just checked my two designated E2 range mags and I'm getting some resistance ( more with one mag than the other) when I depress the follower approximately 2/3rd way down into the mag body. I don't get this with any of my other mags, including a brand new Okay Surefeed I just received. Thanks. |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 8:19:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get this binding, despite how it absolutely should not do so with the anti-tilt follower. In comparison my standard Okay mags do not have any issues what so ever. Yes, I know exactly what you mean! |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 8:29:47 PM EDT
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This is a pic of my E2 causing a low feed in my Bushmaster 20 inch rifle.( With non M4 Feedramps) The mag in the pic and my other mag did this twice during last weekend's trip to the range. Dano, moderator of the troubleshooting forum and malfunction expert, strongly suspects that the E2s and not some other cause; was the reason for my stoppages. I was initially reluctant to believe him because I had one stoppage caused by a Gen 2 PMag as well That being said, 80% of my stoppages ( 4 out of 5) occurred in the two E2s. Also if you go back a few pages, I had one of those.same two E2 Mags malfunction in the same rifle on an earlier range trip. |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 8:34:08 PM EDT
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@3ACR_Scout had a similar malfunction with his E2 as well.
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Posted: 3/7/2019 9:24:37 PM EDT
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https://i.ibb.co/hZcs43H/IMG-20190303-103115792.jpg This is a pic of my E2 causing a low feed in my Bushmaster 20 inch rifle.( With non M4 Feedramps) The mag in the pic and my other mag did this twice during last weekend's trip to the range. Dano, moderator of the troubleshooting forum and malfunction expert, strongly suspects that the E2s and not some other cause; was the reason for my stoppages. I was initially reluctant to believe him because I had one stoppage caused by a Gen 2 PMag as well That being said, 80% of my stoppages ( 4 out of 5) occurred in the two E2s. Also if you go back a few pages, I had one of those.same two E2 Mags malfunction in the same rifle on an earlier range trip. |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 9:28:09 PM EDT
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Just send them a email with pics. Did you check yours? |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 11:39:44 PM EDT
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If the whole point of the E2 was a higher presentation angle and it's causing low feed malfs in the same type of upper the original recipe mags were built for.... I'd say somethin's fucky.
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Posted: 3/8/2019 12:38:45 AM EDT
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I've got several mags with those creased/indented areas at the rear of the feed lips. Okay, D&H, and Brownells -yet to have one split. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 1:25:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I will. Did you check yours? |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 1:27:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I looked at some D&H mags as well and it is there, not as deep but definitely there. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 9:42:25 AM EDT
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What...my emails? |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 1:28:58 PM EDT
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Just send them a email with pics. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 1:40:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No your mags. To see if the follower is binding. The ruler test. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 1:41:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just did. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 1:54:49 PM EDT
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Good...let us know whats the deal. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 2:53:40 PM EDT
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I posted up a pic...I have the same experience. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I looked at some D&H mags as well and it is there, not as deep but definitely there. I don't know what people did before the internet to compare information. It's mind-boggling sometimes. 
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Posted: 3/8/2019 3:15:01 PM EDT
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I will tonight when I get home. I'm planning on testing the rest if my E2s as well. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 3:17:30 PM EDT
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If the whole point of the E2 was a higher presentation angle and it's causing low feed malfs in the same type of upper the original recipe mags were built for.... I'd say somethin's fucky. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 5:53:09 PM EDT
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In my post on Page 2 of this thread that I linked to above, I explained that the Okay rep told me that the E2 design is not intended to produce a higher presentation angle. The cut back design of the feedlips is supposed to reduce the friction on the top round, allowing the round to feed more smoothly. He said that the inadvertent effect is that the round can tilt up sooner, because of the cutback feedlips. He explained that this seems to reduce the drag of the tip of the round on the feedramps, which could (again, inadvertently) help with feeding M855A1, although that was not their intent. What I suspect may be happening is that, because the Bushmasters that Itallionstallion and I tried them in do not have M4 feedramps, there is no ramp to start that process of tilting the round up, so the tip of the round is jamming into the flat face below the (rifle) ramps. I’d be interested to know if the T91 upper that MAC experienced this with in his video has M4 ramps.
Now having said that, I can’t guess at why some of these E2 mags may be having this issue, since plenty of magazines have been used in rifles without M4 feedramps over the years.. Maybe the rounds are feeding forward faster than a standard mag and the force of the bolt behind the round pins the round to the flat face below the feedramps? Really not sure. I need to get my mags back out to the range and see if it happens again. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 6:10:23 PM EDT
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In my post on Page 2 of this thread that I linked to above, I explained that the Okay rep told me that the E2 design is not intended to produce a higher presentation angle. The cut back design of the feedlips is supposed to reduce the friction on the top round, allowing the round to feed more smoothly. He said that the inadvertent effect is that the round can tilt up sooner, because of the cutback feedlips. He explained that this seems to reduce the drag of the tip of the round on the feedramps, which could (again, inadvertently) help with feeding M855A1, although that was not their intent. What I suspect may be happening is that, because the Bushmasters that Itallionstallion and I tried them in do not have M4 feedramps, there is no ramp to start that process of tilting the round up, so the tip of the round is jamming into the flat face below the (rifle) ramps. I’d be interested to know if the T91 upper that MAC experienced this with in his video has M4 ramps. Now having said that, I can’t guess at why some of these E2 mags may be having this issue, since plenty of magazines have been used in rifles without M4 feedramps over the years.. Maybe the rounds are feeding forward faster than a standard mag and the force of the bolt behind the round pins the round to the flat face below the feedramps? Really not sure. I need to get my mags back out to the range and see if it happens again. I will report the results. Also I did the "ruler test" using a paint stick with all of my E2s after I got home from work today. The vast majority did not bind. The follower traveled smoothly. On one black Teflon, the follower did not travel smoothly towards the bottom of the mag. I worked it a few times and it broke off whatever was rubbing against the follower and it's smooth now. I had 4 out of 7 of my dry film mags slightly bind. I did the same thing and all of them are much better now. One thing I noticed is that the spring is noiser and seems to rub inside the mag body a little more than my regular Okay and D@H Mags. The spring is also harder to compress than a standard GI Spring. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 7:24:54 PM EDT
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In my post on Page 2 of this thread that I linked to above, I explained that the Okay rep told me that the E2 design is not intended to produce a higher presentation angle. The cut back design of the feedlips is supposed to reduce the friction on the top round, allowing the round to feed more smoothly. He said that the inadvertent effect is that the round can tilt up sooner, because of the cutback feedlips. He explained that this seems to reduce the drag of the tip of the round on the feedramps, which could (again, inadvertently) help with feeding M855A1, although that was not their intent. What I suspect may be happening is that, because the Bushmasters that Itallionstallion and I tried them in do not have M4 feedramps, there is no ramp to start that process of tilting the round up, so the tip of the round is jamming into the flat face below the (rifle) ramps. I’d be interested to know if the T91 upper that MAC experienced this with in his video has M4 ramps. Now having said that, I can’t guess at why some of these E2 mags may be having this issue, since plenty of magazines have been used in rifles without M4 feedramps over the years.. Maybe the rounds are feeding forward faster than a standard mag and the force of the bolt behind the round pins the round to the flat face below the feedramps? Really not sure. I need to get my mags back out to the range and see if it happens again. |
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