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Posted: 5/21/2021 7:43:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am wondering if this is based on the assembly tool. I found this exact issue to be a real problem with my own builds, concerning torquing to spec, or slightly over spec, using a Geissele reaction rod. The design is such that while the reaction rod holds the barrel at the extension, the upper receiver is free to rotate and press against the barrel pin under torque. The upper being aluminum against a steel pin, torquing can cause an indentation of the upper receiver at the threads. If I was not careful, my pinned front sight block was canted. I stopped using the reaction rod and switched to the Midwest Industries Upper Receiver Rod. This tool has a top bar which runs the length of the rod, so the full run of the inside of the upper receiver at the charging handle groove. It does not allow the upper receiver to rotate freely under torque, thus not allowing the barrel pin to indent or damage the aluminum threads of the upper reciever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you commit to this, please please do something about QC in your barrel department. Its becoming common theme on Facebook and the interwebs to see a psa fsb barrel with either the fsb canted left (from behind), or the feed ramps misaligned (counter clockwise). If you guys could step up qc you'd be a great thing for the community with your pricing. I am wondering if this is based on the assembly tool. I found this exact issue to be a real problem with my own builds, concerning torquing to spec, or slightly over spec, using a Geissele reaction rod. The design is such that while the reaction rod holds the barrel at the extension, the upper receiver is free to rotate and press against the barrel pin under torque. The upper being aluminum against a steel pin, torquing can cause an indentation of the upper receiver at the threads. If I was not careful, my pinned front sight block was canted. I stopped using the reaction rod and switched to the Midwest Industries Upper Receiver Rod. This tool has a top bar which runs the length of the rod, so the full run of the inside of the upper receiver at the charging handle groove. It does not allow the upper receiver to rotate freely under torque, thus not allowing the barrel pin to indent or damage the aluminum threads of the upper reciever. SOTAR recommends against the reaction rod for this exact reason. |
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Posted: 5/25/2021 12:48:52 PM EDT
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I know its not popular to take up for big companies... I don't see the connection between making retro lowers and some QC issues with barrels made under their Value Brand. If you had some issues with their lowers that would make sense.
Being an industry price leader comes with its own set of challenges, from what I see they handle those challenges well. They will fix ANY issue that someone has... even pay shipping both ways. Since they do fix their issues when they pop up, I bet they are aware of problems. You will not see the correct ratio of success to failure stories on the internet. When you are running the numbers of parts at those low margins there will be QC issues. If they fix the issues as they pop up then what is left to gripe about? |
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Posted: 6/4/2021 1:56:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know its not popular to take up for big companies... I don't see the connection between making retro lowers and some QC issues with barrels made under their Value Brand. If you had some issues with their lowers that would make sense. Being an industry price leader comes with its own set of challenges, from what I see they handle those challenges well. They will fix ANY issue that someone has... even pay shipping both ways. Since they do fix their issues when they pop up, I bet they are aware of problems. You will not see the correct ratio of success to failure stories on the internet. When you are running the numbers of parts at those low margins there will be QC issues. If they fix the issues as they pop up then what is left to gripe about? PSA produces a massive volume of firearms and parts, lots of things change hands and machines, things happen. The production of ten thousand plus lowers per week is hard to fathom. I can’t imagine the amount of machine oil or milling bits they burn through daily (or the size of those “chip” bins). PSA taking care of customers was the exact reason I’ve had such a great experience getting to know some of the folks there. Not sure the responses or the post requesting attention to detail was a gripe, observation maybe. Most of us following this thread are very excited to see what PSA comes up with. I will agree their CS would be hard to beat. |
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Posted: 6/10/2021 9:55:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, they will be under the H&R logo. Thanks, Josiah That's pretty neat! |
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Posted: 6/14/2021 5:58:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: C7 uppers would be nice  That's what I want to build. The AR from heat! |
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Posted: 6/18/2021 3:39:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/19/2021 12:01:23 AM EDT
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Stumbled upon this thread. Hope it goes through even if I have to spray a couple with Norrell's moly resin Colt Gray.
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Posted: 6/19/2021 5:14:03 AM EDT
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Like many here, I’m hoping that this will happen since I basically put a hold on several retro projects since these receivers would be far better than NoDak Spuds receivers due strictly to the planned markings.
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Posted: 6/20/2021 1:54:00 AM EDT
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I would not snooze on a filler receiver like a Nodak if you have a chance to buy one. You can always sell it.
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Posted: 6/24/2021 7:13:36 AM EDT
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Yeah, I bought several back before that last election to be on the safe. Just sitting on them for now.
If Biden gets too crazy with EOs, then I’ll build them all into rifles within hours and live with the “NoDak Spud LLC” engravings on a retro rifle. 
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Posted: 7/7/2021 12:04:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is excellent news! I’m looking forward to these lower receivers, and I’m sure that many others are as well. I hope that these will be great sellers for Palmetto State Armory. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am sure they will be non-reinforced as we are looking to do the as closely as possible. Thank you, Josiah This is excellent news! I’m looking forward to these lower receivers, and I’m sure that many others are as well. I hope that these will be great sellers for Palmetto State Armory. I've been hoping that PSA would offer these lowers so yes, it is good news. |
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Posted: 7/15/2021 11:10:52 AM EDT
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I was just specing out all the parts for an E2 build. This may be the solution depending on the timeline for them.
@PalmettoStateArmory, any updates by chance? Are we looking at sometime this year or more likely a Shot Show '22 announcement/availability? |
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Posted: 7/19/2021 10:20:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was just specing out all the parts for an E2 build. This may be the solution depending on the timeline for them. @PalmettoStateArmory, any updates by chance? Are we looking at sometime this year or more likely a Shot Show '22 announcement/availability? I do not have any eta at the moment, but will let you know as soon as I do! Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 12:08:32 PM EDT
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Josiah
Is will the new receivers have the H&R logo and address on the side of the receiver since Harrison and Richard wasn't original manufacturer of the M16 that would look really cool. Is also any updates |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 1:17:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Josiah Is will the new receivers have the H&R logo and address on the side of the receiver since Harrison and Richard wasn't original manufacturer of the M16 that would look really cool. Is also any updates H&R did make M16A1 rifles. CD |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 1:26:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: H&R did make M16A1 rifles. CD |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 1:27:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are correct I sometimes don't read my text replies I meant to say they were original manufacturer of the M16A1. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 2:07:17 PM EDT
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Dammit, I was hoping this was going to be an update or ETA.
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Posted: 8/18/2021 6:08:57 PM EDT
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Can we get a update on the lower receiver?
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Posted: 8/18/2021 8:34:15 PM EDT
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This is a year long project to spin something like this up. This isnt just engraving a M4 lower... Anchor Harvey is giving 12 month lead times to large mfrs.
Relax... |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 7:23:29 AM EDT
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Tagging for interest, just got an M16A1 upper and I want to build out the lower "correctly"
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Posted: 8/19/2021 2:48:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2021 11:40:15 PM EDT
[#23]
Please!
Pretty please! Do not price these out of the everyday mans hands! Like every other cool ass project I have ever heard about! If the price is too high! I will be out! |
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Posted: 8/29/2021 12:10:42 PM EDT
[#24]
Looking forward to the release.
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Posted: 8/30/2021 10:54:25 PM EDT
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Got my stock, now I just need everything else for this project
 EDIT.... I forgot this was already in the retro section... ya'll already know this For everyone else wanting to make an xm177, these had the old aluminum stocks with nylon coating. There are a couple places that have made these over the years, but Double Star recently bought up the leftovers from Essential Arms and is now making their own. Fist batch sold out and they said the next is still a few weeks out. Without buffer and spring With buffer and spring |
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Posted: 9/1/2021 9:47:34 AM EDT
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This is great news. I have bought several Palmetto lowers in the past, and have had good luck with them. I would definitely buy a couple of these, likely a GAU and an XM177. PSA gets a lot of crap, but they have done more to make ARs affordable than anyone, as well as producing some very good AKs. I'll be watching this thread with interest... even though I thought I was done building.
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Posted: 9/2/2021 5:30:18 PM EDT
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All,
What markings would you want on an M16A1 H&R Retro clone rifle barrel? Pictures would be awesome, but anything helps. Thanks! Josiah ETA - I was referring to the barrel and was not clear. Thanks! |
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Posted: 9/2/2021 5:52:00 PM EDT
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please and thanks
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Posted: 9/3/2021 1:23:18 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: please and thanks https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/415053/2BD6E106-ADA5-4012-B096-9769BAEE6BF0-2014572.jpg Concur with the Circled Lion emblem. CD |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 2:59:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What markings would you want on an M16A1 H&R Retro clone rifle barrel? Never mind, it'll already be on the receiver. Don't mark the barrels at all. If you really want markings, just 12 (for the twist) and maybe a date code. |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 6:58:17 AM EDT
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Don't remember how A1 barrels were marked (maybe Make, Caliber, Twist Rate and a C for Chrome Lined) Think ATF stated that barrels require min Marker and cartridge barrel is chambered for.
CD |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 6:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All, What markings would you want on an M16A1 H&R Retro clone rifle barrel? Pictures would be awesome, but anything helps. Thanks! Josiah ETA - I was referring to the barrel and was not clear. Thanks! Check email in 10 Sent you HR specific photos of MP C I have 6 OG upper/barrel. All same. |
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Posted: 10/2/2021 7:13:49 AM EDT
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Following this since the beginning… Any updates?
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Posted: 10/4/2021 12:17:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Following this since the beginning… Any updates? I do not have a date for release, but we are actively working on the project! Thanks, Josiah |
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Posted: 10/5/2021 9:55:11 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: H&R did make M16A1 rifles. CD Would love to see this happen |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 11:43:51 AM EDT
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You know what I'd like to see barrel-wise? 14.5" complete pencil barrels with FSB and a choice of 1:7 or 1:12 twist to build 653s and 723s ...
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Posted: 10/7/2021 5:40:04 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You know what I'd like to see barrel-wise? 14.5" complete pencil barrels with FSB and a choice of 1:7 or 1:12 twist to build 653s and 723s ... Agree, "but" throw in a 14.7" option so many of us don't have to deal with the ATF. |
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Posted: 10/10/2021 11:36:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know what I'd like to see barrel-wise? 14.5" complete pencil barrels with FSB and a choice of 1:7 or 1:12 twist to build 653s and 723s ... And GUU-5/Ps as well. |
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Posted: 10/11/2021 1:47:00 PM EDT
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I could not agree more about complete 14.5 pencil barrels, but also 10.0" pencil barrels as those are truly nonexistent. Just somebody making these at all would make me happy.
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Posted: 10/15/2021 4:50:42 AM EDT
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PSA, would it be possible for you to post a few prototype drawings of your proposed receiver markings? I’m sure I’m not the only one that would be interested in this.
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Posted: 10/15/2021 10:28:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PSA, would it be possible for you to post a few prototype drawings of your proposed receiver markings? I’m sure I’m not the only one that would be interested in this. I approve the images before they are put into the CNC machines to be manufactured. I will post those as I can when they come to my inbox, as they are a really good representation of what the lower will look like. Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 11/23/2021 7:58:53 AM EDT
[#42]
Tag to keep this alive… Hopefully, it’s still moving forward!!
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Posted: 11/25/2021 5:14:06 PM EDT
[#43]
Whoa very interested in this! Hope it goes somewhere
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Posted: 11/29/2021 1:40:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Hope it goes somewhere It is being worked on!! Josiah |
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Posted: 11/29/2021 3:26:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is being worked on!! Josiah    |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 9:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is being worked on!! Josiah Excellent, I just bought your 11.5 XM177 style pistol and a KAK Industries 6" Retro Flash Hider. I did by an M4 Lower to put with it, but that is easily swapped out. ETA: @PalmettoStateArmory is this going to be a XM177 stripped lower or a complete firearm? |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 7:00:24 AM EDT
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Wooo! I'm definitely in for some. Maybe if this stuff sells well, it'll encourage more stuff like 607 stocks...
 
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Posted: 12/9/2021 8:32:57 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wooo! I'm definitely in for some. Maybe if this stuff sells well, it'll encourage more stuff like 607 stocks... Ordnance Research makes those IIRC |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 11:15:33 AM EDT
[#49]
This is really a cool project. I’m glad this thread was resurrected.
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Posted: 12/16/2021 12:43:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: (Colt AR-15 with logo) PROPERTY OF U.S. GOVT. SMG GAU-5/A 5.56 MM SERIAL903843 Like this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/13082/GAU-5A_jpg-1862711.JPG I'd go ahead and do the GAU.-5/A/A (full fence) as well, so you'll have the whole set. T are Colt Re-issue Carbines. (Block Gap Serial Nos. 902856 – 903091 237 carbines) 903092 GAU – 5A 903438 GAU – 5A 903510 GAU – 5A 903605 GAU – 5A 903842 GAU – 5A 904536 GAU – 5A 904536 – 903092 = 1,444 carbines (Block Gap Serial Nos. 908594 – 908900 307 carbines) 9089XX GAU – 5A/A 908915T GAU – 5A/A 908947T GAU – 5A/A 908949T GAU – 5A/A 908953T GAU – 5A/A 908958T GAU – 5A/A 908964T GAU – 5A/A 909002T GAU – 5A/A 909005T GAU – 5A/A 909008T GAU – 5A/A 909011T GAU – 5A/A 909015T GAU – 5A/A 909016T GAU – 5A/A 909023T GAU – 5A/A 909028T GAU – 5A/A 909044T GAU – 5A/A 909046T GAU – 5A/A 909058T GAU – 5A/A 909060 GAU – 5A/A 909074T GAU – 5A/A 909077T GAU – 5A/A 909078T GAU – 5A/A 909095T GAU – 5A/A 909098T GAU – 5A/A 909106T GAU – 5A/A 909108T GAU – 5A/A 909110T GAU – 5A/A 909126T GAU – 5A/A 909132T GAU – 5A/A 909140T GAU – 5A/A 909145T GAU – 5A/A 909152T GAU – 5A/A 909185T GAU – 5A/A (Note: Did not have a “T” after the serial number but was a re-issue from Colt.) 909197T GAU – 5A/A 909257T GAU – 5A/A 909266T GAU – 5A/A 909267T GAU – 5A/A 909276T GAU – 5A/A 909920T GAU – 5A/A 909936T GAU – 5A/A 909937T GAU – 5A/A 909947T GAU – 5A/A 909948T GAU – 5A/A 909,948 – 908900 = 1,048 carbines Here is my Colt Gau-5 909226 T. If anyone is trying to make a list of the new Colt reissued GAU-5-A/A. |
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