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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - BEST WEAPON FOR HOME DEFENSE (Page 4 of 8)
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Oh good God !! A slug will penetrate as much (or more) than a rifle round (over 12 sheets of drywall, with plenty of velocity left). If you are worried about "strays" you REALLY shouldn't be using shotgun slugs. Your statement that slugs would be superior to buckshot "in case family members are in the same area" suggests that you have a completely incorrect impression of how much a shot pattern spreads at close range. If you are shooting a shotgun inside a house, you are not going to be looking at a spread of more than a couple of inches. |
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Hate to break it to you but the shotgun isn't for close quarters "contact," it's for getting you to contact. Military teams use shotguns for opening locked doors, either by blasting the hinges or the latch/strike plate area on the door and frame. However, for home defense a shotgun is the way to go since shot pattern forgives innacuracy somewhat, and hopefully you will only need one or two shots. As has been stated before in this thread white light is a must, as is accurate target ID. |
All this police shotgun talk has got me thinking of the bean bag rounds and why the ATF considers them destructive devices lumped together with grenade launchers and 39mm rounds. If I were forced to into a shooting solution with a shotgun I would like to know the BG is going to be taken out of the fight without question, but watching him take a bean bag to the forehead at close range would be alright too. In the name of knowlege and science of course!  
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Well today I tried it, left my door wide open with my tv and everything on a dolly but with a chuck norris poster on teh wall..... I sat downstairs and watched and waited.. A few fish saw the bait but weren't interested.... Finially one went in and grabbed the dolly began wheeling it out... He turned and saw the Chuck Norris poster.... Began to apologize, begging for Chuck's forgiveness and then jumped out the window where the glass cut both his wrists.... Now I need a new window 
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I would argue that a slug is actually safer than a .223 becuase it will go through the sheet rock in a straight line. The .223 will tumble and you have no control over what direction it will travel in after it goes through the wall. Of course the slug will continue to go in a straight line right through your neighbors walls too... but I've never been too friendly with my neighbors anyway. |
not to totally derail this thread (like that's not already been done 3 or 4times so far) but what kinda MP5 clone and how did you like it? |
Man, your cracking me up! SOF teams use the shotty for breaching! edited for clarification 
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It's one of the early Bobcat BW-5FS,...I absolutely love it especially at half the price of a used HK94/MP5. Mine is a tack-driver at 25 yards with iron sights and my poor eyesight. I got 5 shots touching each other, wish I had kept the target. Absolutely No FTE/FTFs or jams of any kind.  this is not hijacking the thread. I think this is a great weapon for home defense. Only wish could get a collapsible sock for it. Will SBR this soon and get a surefire fore-end for it.,Then it will be absolutely ideal...for me at least. |
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I am however fully on the shotgun for home defense thing.... Way i look at it is real simple... I hate being woken up and until I get the first cup of coffee in me I just don't care.... It's hard to focus when I first wake up because my contacts are still dry so I can't see real well. I'd much rather have a shotgun wiht a nice wide pattern than a single projectile that I have a better chance missing with and having to put more holes in my wall. |
hrm... well I've been looking for an MP5copy for some time now. Does that use actual HK parts like stocks and mags and such too? I know I"ve seen bobcat sells a few different versions of the things but I"ve always been worried about parts should something happen to break... I've even been thinking about trying /gasp/ vulcan out just becasue they seem to have the best selection. |
| I know a lot of people like shotguns, I do too, but since my bedroom is upstairs and my room door is locked, it gives me a few more seconds to get ready. Shotguns are big and somewhat clumsy for me, I like small that's why I want a collapsible stock and to SBR it as well. The surefire light is essential, no scopes, laser designators, GPS, or computerizd fire controls for me . Simple and small is my philosophy. Other than the Bobcat, i would use a Krinkov for home defense. |
All parts are interchangeable. The rear sight is real HK, so is the FCG I use HK mags on mine.You can use HK stocks and barrels but getting the kind of accuracy I get from an 8.5" barrel, I don't see a reason to replace it with an HK barrel. Forget Vulcan....get a BW-5FS with the fake suppresor so you can SBR it later if you want and if it's legal in your state. The new ones have a different safety lever but otherwise they are the same. Absolutely reliable. If you really worr about overpenetration you can always get frangible bullets for it. |
LMFAO @ GPS but I think this'll work fine for me... I gotta dump that grip forend one of these days but close enough.. Xfull choke and all. 
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coolness, i'll have to look inot those things.. And Im' not worried about overpenetration, I'm just looking for something to play with once in awhile.... Plus more or less something ot add to the collection 
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I also do not like the recoil of a shotgun....BW5 has almost no recoil. If I do get a shotgun for home defense it will be a Remington 870P Max 
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Well, I guess i gotta drop my .02 in here: I have a couple of ARs, a couple of AKs and several Sig, HK, and 1911 handguns. I also have a Mossy 590 shotgun. I have no children, but live in a condo and do have neighbors. I am by no means a HD expert, but I have shot enough shit in my day to know that ANYTHING that can be relied on to put an intruder down can go through walls (especially sheetrock which I can drive my bare fist through, and I am by no means Chuch Norris) So, my opinions are: 1. Use what you can get to and are comfortable/instinctive with. If what you can get to is not instinctive and comfortable to you CHANGE IT so that it is. 2. Know the local laws in your jurisdiction, they do vary greatly. Even when following the laws perfectly ultimately what you have or have not done will be judged by others. It NEEDS to appear that YOU HAD NO OTHER REASONABLE CHOICE!!! When there is no other choice fight with absolutely zero mercy until the threat is over. 3. Understand you are responsible for any and all damage done to others and their property by whatever you choose to use defending yourself. Property can be replaced, Innocent lives and health cannot. Try to minimize the chances (no matter what there is always a chance) of this as much as you can. For instance, dont use a RPG in an apartment building, you get the idea. Finally, if you want to bypass a lot of this get a girlfriend like mine. She may not work in every possible scenario, but if I have a home invasion if I can just get her to start talking to the intruder I absolutely GUARANTEE they will leave ASAP!! I know this seems like an attempt at humor, but I am really not kidding very much. 
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Bobby's career is not the only one adversely affected by damaged hearing. Do these home defense SBR types practice shooting without hearing protection in dark rooms? Is their first shot under these conditions going to be a big surprise? I hope they all use SBR's with silencers. |
| A shotgun. The cheapest piece of crap you can afford to loose. Of course only if it works 100%. So get a cheap pump for reliability. I don't like keeping anything that heafty laying loaded next to my bed so I stashed away a $120 Makarov loaded with HP ammo. It will do the job the whole 2 yards across my bedroom. With the Makarov the only concern I ever had was under-penetration, but I don't think under-penetration will be a problem at 1-2 yards across my small bedroom. I don't have any concern with anyone walking away from an 8rd mag dump to the chest either. Nevermind that 1 stop shot BS, I'm not stopping until the mag is empty and I'm loading the second one! I keep all the expensive guns locked up because I don't want the criminals OR cops to take them after it's all over. The cops can have the $120 Makarov for as long as they like and I won't miss it like I would an AR or other $500+ gun. Just remember cheap doesn't always mean unreliable. I would trust my life with a Makarov within 5yrds. It's 100% reliable, has a very fast light weight trigger, and I am 100% proficient with it. The choice is up to you but I would go for cheap and 100% reliable then become proficient with it. Most people in the US have 50rds or less through their home defense weapon of choise. Whatever you decide on make sure you practice once a month or so with it and you will be better of than most people. |
Yeah - because if my LIFE is on the line, I'm really going to worry about a little bit of potential hearing loss later.  Obviously, if hearing loss is a serious concern, then you should use a baseball bat with some 8-inch nails punched through it, for home defense, or maybe a nifty samurai-sword. During my military career, I have been in close proximity to Ma Deuces, 7.62mm MG's and 84mm Carl Gustavs firing live ammo without hearing protection, so I don't particularly think that a 5.56 rifle without hearing protection is going to freak me out. Perhaps some people would be frightened by that (and perhaps some believe that a shotgun is magically a lot more silent in an enclosed space ) - but I'm really not particularly concerned about that aspect.As an aside (and not specifically picking on CCW) I really like these threads, because you invariably see a bunch of "Ah'll us mah trusty shotgun" types starting to ridicule people who recommend a short-barelled AR, instead of actually having a discussion about length, number of rounds, penetration, accuracy, etc - instead it's often just retarded knee-jerk reactions, hollywood logic, urban legends, and ridicule. Nobody is saying that everyone SHOULD use a short AR for home defense, but if the general question is "what is the BEST weapon for home defense" - then the general answer is in fact a short AR. If someone is really comfortable with a shotgun, then that's a fine choice, and will be perfectly sevicable in almost every situation imaginable - but it is still not the BEST choice, generally speaking. |
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The "best answer" is the best weapon you can use for the application at hand. If SBRs are not an option, they aren't the "best" for the job for you. I opt for a pistol, 9mm hollow points. My Sig P226 with night sights is on my bed stand. I have practiced with it extensively, it points naturally for me, I'm comfortable with it. I have a defense shotgun, but it is NOT my first choice. If and when I move to a free state an SBRed AR is on my list to get right away. |
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It depends on the situation. In my current living situation my housemates are closest to the door, the most likely entrance point due to the windows being higher then normal. So I'd want something precise because if they have a very malicious intent they will grab one of them. And a shotgun is NOT a fucking good idea ESPECIALLY with 00 Buck. So in my situation, a rifle of some sort. Preferably .223/5.56 because it has LESS of a chance then most rifles of penerating the suspect (ammo permiting) after the damage is done. |
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Well it's obvious that this is the answer to our little dilemma. The pump action AR-15 http://www.dpmsinc.com/Products/RFA2-PU.jpg For the people that want to scare the oppressed victim of society looking for sustenance, with his pump action, and for the people that want a 30rd. mag, and to fire house penetrating rounds, while keeping their light mounts in convenient locations. The gun for everyonehe |
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| Well, since this is an AR thread, my choice is a CAR-15 chambered for 9MM, which seems to work quite well in CQB scenarios and you don't have to worry about hitting the neighbor's dog a 1/2 mile away. Those super-juiced Hirtenberg 9MM sub rounds and +P+ USA hollow points can achieve some very interesting hit velocities coming out of a 16-inch barrel. With the blowback operation, there's nothing really to go wrong either. Gonna work pretty much every time which is the plan. |
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Some great posts here. Here is a pretty cool thing (In my mind) that I did for home protection. Not recommended for everyone!! I do something that is a little off, but I get kicks out of it. I am a police officer and I live out in the 'country' in rural Oklahoma. I moved to the country about 5 years ago and there was a ton of drug traffic on the road my house is on. It is a dirt road and it keeps the dope heads from getting on the highways. I worked hoot shift then so my wife was always worried about the drug heads I arrest messing with our house or with her while I was at work. Everybody knows how paranoid tweekers are and they are the main threat against my home being secure. I played on their weakness.... What did I do? I cut a piece of 1/4" sheet metal about 1ft X 1ft painted it white and shot it about 15 times then placed it at the end of my driveway where passerbys can see it. My house is 232 yards from the road with no trees or any obstructions in the way. I keep the target freshly painted and I put new holes in it from my porch quiet a bit. During the day time when I am home I sit on the front porch and have a rifle leaned up against the wall, and at night when I am home I keep a million power spot light by the bed and between midnight and 0430hrs or so I spot light cars driving by when I hear them. Tweekers are the main ones to break into homes here, unless a ringer comes in from another town. So my idea is prevention. Hey don't laugh too much, all that spotlighting and documenting the cars/poeople I saw was enough to write a warrant on my neighbor. He is in the pen for 18 yrs now. And the traffic there is virtually zelch now. I also have 4 barking outside dogs, one inside dog, and a wife that can shoot. I'm the reason God made Oklahoma. 
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| The weapon that you are most comfortable with, you practice with the most, and that you know how to use the best, that is in a potent enough caliber to get the job done. Bet that a shotty, ak, ar, glock, etc. Best weapon for the job depends on the user and his/her experience with the weapon. |
Sorry to answer this 3 days / 4 pages late, but I was out of town...  Short answer:   Mounted in the wall right next to the bed. Not cheap, but worth it IMHO. (FWIW, before "Junior" came along, they just stayed out in the open.) |
+1 but I only have 1 rotty. |
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I have an uncle who honest to God keeps an AK-47 with a 75 round drum under his bed- you know just in case. This isn't including a fully loaded tac vest and a shotgun loaded in the closet. I joked that he should probably get his whole house wired just to be sure they don't take him alive! Family- the only people you can always count on to be more nuts than you!! Creeper  |
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I had always thought that the ultimate self defence gun was a shotgun, and I still believe that from a wound ballistics / practical point of view. However, a few days ago, I heard what sounded like a gunshot and some loud voices (arguing, hollering) which needless to say put me in survival mode. It turned out to be nothing, but at the time I started thinking about getting something to keep close by just in case. Well, I had always said that I would use my 12 gauge primarily for home defence, but when it came down to it, I just didn't feel comfortable walking around the house with a loaded double barrel shotgun (Especially when I didn't fully understand the situation / threat) That's when I got hit by a moment of indecision. I have so many guns, and all of a sudden I didn't know which one to go to. Ended up grabbing my .357 magnum and shoving it in the back of my pants. I guess if someone is trying to break into your home in the middle of the night, the shotgun would be great. However, in those times when you just need a little something with ya "just in case" I think a handgun is the way to go. Maybe I need to think more about these things in advance, because when it comes to brass tacks, the last thing I need to do is hesitate and get myself or a family member killed. I think it is wise for people to develop a game plan in advance for different scenarios. |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - BEST WEAPON FOR HOME DEFENSE (Page 4 of 8)
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