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Posted: 1/20/2019 3:59:21 PM EDT
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Wonder how this thing would work with subsonic loads? You could make some crazy long solid copper projectiles for this thing, since you won't need much case capacity to push 900-1000fps.
380 grains at 1000fps seems plausible. You would need one hell of a tight twist rate for that bore though, and I'm not sure how the gas system would work out. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:05:53 PM EDT
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It's a .35 Whelen Extra Light.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:12:23 PM EDT
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Wonder how this thing would work with subsonic loads? You could make some crazy long solid copper projectiles for this thing, since you won't need much case capacity to push 900-1000fps. 380 grains at 1000fps seems plausible. You would need one hell of a tight twist rate for that bore though, and I'm not sure how the gas system would work out. 340 grain with a .920 G1. https://cuttingedgebullets.com/358-340gr-single-feed-mth-match-tactical-hunting |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:34:38 PM EDT
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Should work with either. 358 winchester shooters use 357 pistol bullets all the time Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So does this use 357 pistol or 358 rifle bullets??? |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:35:27 PM EDT
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30 rounds of 180 gr or heavier gets pretty heavy to hunt with. My 300BO with 8 inch barrel and suppressor tips the scale over 10 lbs with 30 rounds of 200 gr subs. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:39:36 PM EDT
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Thats not like a hotdog down a hallway? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So does this use 357 pistol or 358 rifle bullets??? |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 2:58:34 AM EDT
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30 rounds of 180 gr or heavier gets pretty heavy to hunt with. My 300BO with 8 inch barrel and suppressor tips the scale over 10 lbs with 30 rounds of 200 gr subs. 
I guess it depends on the specific game, the circumstances, and local laws, but I'd probably carry 10s for most things. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:28:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So don't carry 30 round mags when hunting?
I guess it depends on the specific game, the circumstances, and local laws, but I'd probably carry 10s for most things. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:33:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is how we know you don't own a ranch infested w/ hogs. Shoot the sound. 
Anyway when is this big announcement? |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:01:54 AM EDT
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The more I think about this the more I kind of want one. I was about to pull the trigger on a 357AR setup, but if this guy has affordable off the shelf brass that would be my selling point.
I hate making brass... Of all the things about handloading that are a PITA, any brass prep that requires reaming is pretty much off the table for me. Especially so in an autoloader - lose a piece of brass and you feel like you have to find it because you spent 5 minutes making that one case. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 1:20:54 PM EDT
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Shot show starts tomorrow so hopefully there will be more news soon. For reaming/trimming, just use a reamer pilot in the trimmer and and a drill adapter and mod the cases in one pass. Never paid attention to how long it takes to trim and ream the Starline cases but it takes longer to debur and measure than it's trip through the trimmer.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 2:05:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2019 2:41:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2019 3:20:25 PM EDT
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Quote from article, "This cartridge is a true straight-wall round and is not necked up."
 Yeah, it would be bit difficult to chamber a round if the cartridge was necked up. That would be the 375/350 Legend. The 350 Legend case, necked up to .375. Tony |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 3:39:44 PM EDT
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So do I understand this correctly to be a straight wall 223 case that can use 357/9mm bullets?
If so in a platform compatible with and AR frame I am definitely in. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 4:00:43 PM EDT
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It'll fit in an ar15 then. With the Hornady 180gr SSP, Speer 180gr SSP or a similarly profiled bullet the case isn't the limiting factor, the COL that will work through a magazine is so a little longer case won't gain you anything on those in an ar15. Bolt action with a longer COL it would though.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 5:43:33 PM EDT
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I’m hoping they chamber this in the model 94 lever gun.
And of course that AR barrels and magazines are available. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 6:01:48 PM EDT
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What are the heaviest .357 bullets?
I can only find 180gr ones. I agree with wanting a heavy bullet for subs. 
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Posted: 1/21/2019 6:33:04 PM EDT
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A 228gr NOE FN with W231 won't cycle the action on my pistol until it's supersonic. Subsonic it'll unlock the bolt and usually cock the hammer, but not eject the case or feed a new cartridge so it's fairly close. I think a 250-260 would be a little easier to get to run subsonic.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 6:49:10 PM EDT
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This is realitive to my interests. Love my .450BM for Ohio deer, but this has my attention. I'm interested in seeing external and terminal ballisitcs from a 16" barreled AR.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 7:11:13 PM EDT
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What are the heaviest .357 bullets? I can only find 180gr ones. I agree with wanting a heavy bullet for subs. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 8:33:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryShit my Griffin Resistance 9 would work well on this with my taper mount.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 8:36:06 PM EDT
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What are the heaviest .357 bullets? I can only find 180gr ones. I agree with wanting a heavy bullet for subs. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 8:51:37 PM EDT
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Winchester just dropped 265s on their website. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are the heaviest .357 bullets? I can only find 180gr ones. I agree with wanting a heavy bullet for subs. 
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:05:01 PM EDT
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I would have guessed heavier for dedicated subs. The 338 subsonic calibers can use the 300gr match bullets. I was hoping for a bad ass 350gr at least Most .358s are a 1-12. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:16:30 PM EDT
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Shoot the sound. Ever. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:05:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have never seen anybody actually recommend that before. Ever. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:17:30 AM EDT
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Barrels and bullets will need to catch up to this, I think. Most .358s are a 1-12. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would have guessed heavier for dedicated subs. The 338 subsonic calibers can use the 300gr match bullets. I was hoping for a bad ass 350gr at least Most .358s are a 1-12. I think there’s a hole in the market right now for some big heavy powder coated rifle bullets made for subsonic use. I’ve always wanted a 338 whisper(or Spectre) but who the hell wants to lob $.50-$1.00 match kings down range. 10 years ago there was no need but now with all these cool new rounds and suppressors as close to mainstream as they’ve ever been I hope to see it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 3:05:36 AM EDT
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Have never seen anybody actually recommend that before. Ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shoot the sound. Ever. 
Until more information is available on the Winchester Legend, here is some on the 9x39mm and the VSS-Vintorez. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/I-want-to-know-everything-about-the-VSS-Vintorez/5-2172444/ |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:24:45 AM EDT
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"Shoot the sound"
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Have never seen anybody actually recommend that before. Ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shoot the sound. Ever. Tony |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 10:50:17 AM EDT
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Well ain't that somethin'. We've been doing it for quite a while now, and others before us. https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/357-AR-max/121-735639/ But, I guess it being Winchester and on the cover of some magazine and all...
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Posted: 1/22/2019 10:54:24 AM EDT
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You have any idea how fast those fuckers reproduce? They're basically 200 lb rabbits. I've not yet met a rancher or farmer who likes em. Hunters, sure. NY banned the hunting of them, lol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:42:39 PM EDT
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I'm waiting on them to neck the 5.56 case up to 6.8mm/.277" and call it the .270 Winchester Kurz. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:47:46 PM EDT
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You have any idea how fast those fuckers reproduce? They're basically 200 lb rabbits. I've not yet met a rancher or farmer who likes em. Hunters, sure. NY banned the hunting of them, lol. The problem is that we are drilled to know what we are shooting at, and sound alone is too often a tragic accident waiting to happen. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:04:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:. Oh I understand all right, and I don't care how many you shoot. Shoot 'em all, every one of them. The problem is that we are drilled to know what we are shooting at, and sound alone is too often a tragic accident waiting to happen. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:16:55 PM EDT
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A few thoughts. This case and an AR action will be able to handle more PSi than the 375 Win. Am thinking that it may suffer the use of WW296/H110 just like the 300AAC or it won't produce enough gas to cycle. This could be a great cast booolit cartridge for deer using a gas-check, heat-treated 180gr booolit. Stomp any whitetail as far as you could possibly shoot in a mature hardwoods.
https://www.montanabulletworks.com/product/357-noe-180gr-wfn-gc/ |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:48:59 PM EDT
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What type of powder is likely going to be necessary to reload something like this? Same as 300blk? I didn't read the entire thread so maybe it was already mentioned.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 2:06:01 PM EDT
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I would guess 1680, 2015BR, 2200, VV-120. In there.
H110 would be a bit on the fast side. Tony |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 2:07:05 PM EDT
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What type of powder is likely going to be necessary to reload something like this? Same as 300blk? I didn't read the entire thread so maybe it was already mentioned. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 2:34:25 PM EDT
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H110/296, Lil' Gun, 2400, 4227 (slow)…
There's plenty of info in the 357AR max thread... will translate over nicely. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 2:52:05 PM EDT
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I'm kinda interested in a .35 caliber AR15 cartridge. I've been using a Ruger 77/357 for suppressed subsonic and supersonic loads. The POI difference between subs and supers is pretty significant though. It would be nice to keep my bolt gun setup for subsonics and have a semi-auto that can run the supersonics. I'd be curious to see real world velocity data and how it compares with my handloaded 158 grain .357 Magnums.
Also need to contact my suppressor manufacturer to see if it will handle the .350 Legend pressure and gas volume. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 12:57:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2019 1:26:36 AM EDT
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I'm interested. I wonder how it will perform out of shorter barrels? 10.5"-12.5"? Could be good for our alternative deer season which allows pistols Watching their promo video I'm sure that is their target market. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 1:30:52 AM EDT
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I'm waiting on them to neck the 5.56 case up to 6.8mm/.277" and call it the .270 Winchester Kurz. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well ain't that somethin'. We've been doing it for quite a while now, and others before us. https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/357-AR-max/121-735639/ But, I guess it being Winchester and on the cover of some magazine and all... Already exists, that's the .277 Wolverine cartridge. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 1:41:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:23:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:25:59 PM EDT
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Damn, got their own magazines even.
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:41:09 PM EDT
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Damn, got their own magazines even. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:48:41 PM EDT
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Looks a lot like a 357 mag in a lever gun as far as performance goes. If it can shoot 358 bullets something like the speer 250 or hornady 250 round nose might cycle with subs, but bullet won't expand.
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:50:59 PM EDT
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Not standard by any stretch. Look at the normally deep guide rib on the side. It is greatly reduced on the Legend mags.
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