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Posted: 1/6/2019 8:04:22 PM EDT
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I received my M600DF Friday and got it mounted up on my MRP duty rifle with a Haley offset mount. Mine has the “0618” stamped battery, so when I first got it, I turned the M600DF on without charging the battery and just let it run and it ran for about an hour before it died, so I think it’ll be okay. I did go ahead and order two spare batteries to have, that way if I did have an issue with the Surefire, I’d have spares. I ended up buying a couple of the Lliion protected Panasonic batteries listed below.
https://liionwholesale.com/products/protected-panasonic-sanyo-ncr18650ga-button-top?variant=12534255236 |
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Posted: 1/7/2019 1:48:03 AM EDT
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I've continued testing all of my Surefire 18650s and found a faulty battery with a 0318 date as well. I got an initial response back from Surefire already asking for more info, but nothing else yet in a week. I figure while I wait (for what may be a long time) on these 4 getting replaced under warranty I'd try some other protected cell 18650s. Apparently the consensus is that the panasonic 3400mAh is the best but I find some bad reviews where apparently the protection circuit is chinese made or the batteries are crap and potentially chinese clones. Is there a known, good, safe vendor for legit protected cell Panasonic 18650s with no chicom crap? This is one of the cells that I confirmed to work in my Scout. Orbtronic is respected as well. |
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Posted: 1/7/2019 1:55:32 AM EDT
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https://www.amazon.com/ORBTRONIC-Protected-Rechargeable-Performance-Flashlights/dp/B00CAD6AUE This is one of the cells that I confirmed to work in my Scout. Orbtronic is respected as well. |
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Posted: 1/7/2019 1:56:05 AM EDT
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https://www.amazon.com/ORBTRONIC-Protected-Rechargeable-Performance-Flashlights/dp/B00CAD6AUE This is one of the cells that I confirmed to work in my Scout. Orbtronic is respected as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've continued testing all of my Surefire 18650s and found a faulty battery with a 0318 date as well. I got an initial response back from Surefire already asking for more info, but nothing else yet in a week. I figure while I wait (for what may be a long time) on these 4 getting replaced under warranty I'd try some other protected cell 18650s. Apparently the consensus is that the panasonic 3400mAh is the best but I find some bad reviews where apparently the protection circuit is chinese made or the batteries are crap and potentially chinese clones. Is there a known, good, safe vendor for legit protected cell Panasonic 18650s with no chicom crap? This is one of the cells that I confirmed to work in my Scout. Orbtronic is respected as well. Surefire themselves recommends the Orbtronic battery |
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Posted: 1/7/2019 2:31:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is definitely a battery issue with the surefire battery. They stated to me that they were in the process of redesigning their battery. Surefire themselves recommends the Orbtronic battery Some of them overheat it quickly causing the shutoff. Others are a bit more sneaky and need to be on a bit longer. For the batteries that "passed" my 25m straight run time tests there are some I have more confidence in than others based on how hot to the touch they could get the lights. My 1117 marked battery technically "passed" but if I leave it on close to something reflective it WILL shutoff also. It also gets the lights a touch hotter while running. Probably not an issue since just being left on and sitting it is ok but I don't know, I have my 600DFs mounted near a suppressor. In real use I can see it possibly overheating. So for now I have it in my Fury since I doubt it will have issues there. EDIT: I see there are also 3500 mAh units available from Orbtronic. Think I'll get those. |
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Posted: 1/8/2019 12:42:04 AM EDT
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https://www.amazon.com/ORBTRONIC-Protected-Rechargeable-Performance-Flashlights/dp/B00CAD6AUE This is one of the cells that I confirmed to work in my Scout. Orbtronic is respected as well. |
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Posted: 1/8/2019 12:48:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is enough of a button for the DF head? They also have a 3500maH version. |
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Posted: 1/8/2019 3:33:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is enough of a button for the DF head? They also have a 3500maH version. I also do not know if the 3500ma battery will fit in the light but if it does then it looks like a fine battery on paper and should work well. |
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Posted: 1/8/2019 11:00:33 PM EDT
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I'm sure it'll be fine, pictures of products are usually shit.
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Posted: 1/9/2019 1:32:54 PM EDT
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I ordered one of the fancy chargers with the LED readout to give you stats on the batteries too, the OPUS 3100. Looked at two others, Liitokala and something popular on Amazon with a Z.......seems you roll the dice on any of them.
Anyway, I'm interested to see what kind of stats it can give me on the "bad" batteries. A surefire rep responded that they will goodwill me some batteries (with no need to send in these faulty ones) whenever they get some more in. That means I can keep these to play with and see what went wrong. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 2:58:17 PM EDT
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I have used the same Nightcore digicharger d4 for all of my charging needs for years now. It charges anything you can fit in it (Li-ion, Ni-MH, Ni-Cd, and LiFeP04) including Eneloops (which I use in place of all AAA and AA batteries) without having to mess with any settings. It's also cheap and time proven. I'd suggest it to anyone looking for a good charger that is versatile and will likely last and long time.
https://www.amazon.com/Nitecore-D4-Charger-EdisonBright-Converter/dp/B00L10CO7U/ref=pd_cp_421_1?pd_rd_w=hCdPm&pf_rd_p=ef4dc990-a9ca-4945-ae0b-f8d549198ed6&pf_rd_r=AWMF1055K8649T10GA4W&pd_rd_r=de6e5aa9-143f-11e9-890f-15a980a0ed5b&pd_rd_wg=n0BP4&pd_rd_i=B00L10CO7U&psc=1&refRID=AWMF1055K8649T10GA4W |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 9:26:40 PM EDT
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Mine got here already.
Button top for sure. They come neatly packaged too. Everyone always measures them in mm, my dial calipers are in thousandths. Surefire 1.739" Orbtronic 3500mAh 1.721" |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 10:28:25 PM EDT
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Mine got here already. Button top for sure. They come neatly packaged too. Everyone always measures them in mm, my dial calipers are in thousandths. Surefire 1.739" Orbtronic 3500mAh 1.721" |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 11:26:55 PM EDT
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The length is normally the factor when an 18650 is too large for what it's worth. So did the 3500ma work out?
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Posted: 1/12/2019 7:36:24 PM EDT
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I “pulled the trigger” on one, got it for $230.00 shipped with a free ADM quick disconnect mount.
Hopefully Vihn54 will offer an upgraded head for it shortly, I’m not holding out much hope for the Surefire branded batteries. I’ve charged up a Panasonic 18650 3,100 mah protected cell for when it gets here Tuesday. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 7:28:53 PM EDT
[#16]
Got mine. Super bright.
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Posted: 1/13/2019 10:33:04 PM EDT
[#17]
I got mine all installed with a new SU07 setup and I really like it. My Surefire battery seemed fine, but I ended up getting 5 spares from other manufacturers and so far, it’s very bright. I really like it.
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Posted: 1/13/2019 11:13:19 PM EDT
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I got mine all installed with a new SU07 setup and I really like it. My Surefire battery seemed fine, but I ended up getting 5 spares from other manufacturers and so far, it’s very bright. I really like it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/78907/CD09FD07-6D29-4562-A72B-6E00DAF8D6B8_png-807264.JPG |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 11:16:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Make sure you’re careful choosing a charger, the correct charger is almost as important as making sure that your batteries aren’t counterfeit or crappy Chinese ones. (Yes, almost all of them come from China but there are major differences between brands) |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 11:36:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is the Surefire charger that came with the 600DF good to go, that’s what I’m using? |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 11:49:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unknown, I usually rely on ratings over on Candlepowerforums.com. I haven’t seen any ratings on the Surefire. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 8:52:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is the Surefire charger that came with the 600DF good to go, that’s what I’m using? |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 8:58:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I tried mine once, the charger and batteries got really hot. Would pick up a real charger, like a Nitecore D2 or D4. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:01:49 PM EDT
[#24]
Finally pulled the trigger on an M600DF after seeing them in action a few times...
what should I plan on running into? Got the rechargeable "set" off amazon. Do any of the switches reduce the potential output? Looking at the dual switch to run a laser as well. |
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Posted: 1/15/2019 9:28:57 PM EDT
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Finally pulled the trigger on an M600DF after seeing them in action a few times... what should I plan on running into? Got the rechargeable "set" off amazon. Do any of the switches reduce the potential output? Looking at the dual switch to run a laser as well. 
Also no Surefire switch will reduce the output in any noticeable way. |
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Posted: 1/16/2019 2:18:16 PM EDT
[#26]
My OPUS 3100 charger finally showed up.
Charging my 3500mAh Orbtronics now to try. |
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Posted: 1/16/2019 9:23:10 PM EDT
[#27]
Orbtonics good to go in my M600DFs and Fury DF.
Honestly they even seem brighter. Wish I didn't have so many Surefire batteries now. Still haven't received my 4 replacements yet. |
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Posted: 1/16/2019 9:42:04 PM EDT
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I received my order of two from Lanbo’s yesterday. The battery dates are 03/18 and 05/18. I charged them both in one of the provided chargers and observed no issues with overheating as reported by other members. I installed the batteries and ran them both for 15 minutes without issue. I’ll update if any issues arise.
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:51:33 PM EDT
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Kind of fucked off right now. 18650 battery does not work. Works with 123s. Flickers off and on while racking or shooting, sometimes dims really low until next shot... not happy at this point in time.
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Posted: 1/17/2019 11:56:18 PM EDT
[#30]
What date on your battery?
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Posted: 1/18/2019 12:46:03 AM EDT
[#31]
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Kind of fucked off right now. 18650 battery does not work. Works with 123s. Flickers off and on while racking or shooting, sometimes dims really low until next shot... not happy at this point in time. |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 1:02:04 AM EDT
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The many issues seen just by the folks that have replied in this thread in the past few months about Surefire's 18650 batteries is not typical of a reputable manufacturer. Not even a little. Any reputable company that buys and relabels Li-Ion batteries with this many complaints would quickly be blacklisted by communities that commonly use Li-Ion batteries. With that said I realize that this is a ar-15 community first and also that the folks that have issues with a product normally speak louder than the many who have none. I have no proof here but I believe that Surefire is using lower binned 18650s, rewrapping them (they do not manufacture batteries and never will), and selling them under their good name as a quality product. I cannot find any of the typical Li-Ion battery testers who have tested Surefire's 18650 so little to no real date is out there on these batteries. If anyone has a defective battery that is of no use to them please unwrap it (following all safety precautions) and post detailed pictures of the bare cells here. I feel like we could at least gather further info given the manufacturer of these batteries and maybe push a reputable battery tester to take a look at them with all of these complaints and something to go on.
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Posted: 1/18/2019 1:52:08 AM EDT
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What date on your battery? Numbers near posit I've end are L18650-1SF and 60-03-021 Rev A |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 1:54:02 AM EDT
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I'm assuming this is a Surefire labeled battery? Did you charge it upon receiving it? Can you check the voltage by chance? Try cleaning the battery and light contacts with alcohol. I have some 3.7v batteries and charger at work for the H&K Bluefire guns, might have to test it out. |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 1:28:06 PM EDT
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Cage code OBJZ8 printed number below is 0618 Numbers near posit I've end are L18650-1SF and 60-03-021 Rev A |
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Posted: 1/30/2019 2:26:14 AM EDT
[#36]
I got an email today that my "courtesy batteries" have shipped. Interested to see if they are good to go.
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Posted: 1/31/2019 7:20:45 PM EDT
[#37]
Got my 4 replacement batteries today and they indeed have been redesigned.
They are red and longer. Marked 3.6v 3500 mAh instead of 3.7v 3400 mAh. Micro-USB rechargeable, not that I care about that. All marked 1018 which is strange as I have a few "old style" batteries with that date code. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 11:53:37 PM EDT
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Got my 4 replacement batteries today and they indeed have been redesigned. They are red and longer. Marked 3.6v 3500 mAh instead of 3.7v 3400 mAh. Micro-USB rechargeable, not that I care about that. All marked 1018 which is strange as I have a few "old style" batteries with that date code. Edit: I just looked at them on SF's website. A battery with a built-in USB port?!! Wacky! |
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Posted: 2/1/2019 1:16:47 AM EDT
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I had no idea they even had them on the site yet, I was shocked that they were significantly different.
I tested all 4 and they are good to go which is all I wanted. I have good chargers with LCD displays so the USB charging feature means squat to me. 
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Posted: 2/1/2019 9:32:06 PM EDT
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I had no idea they even had them on the site yet, I was shocked that they were significantly different. I tested all 4 and they are good to go which is all I wanted. I have good chargers with LCD displays so the USB charging feature means squat to me. http://i66.tinypic.com/11jp66b.jpg |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 1:07:15 AM EDT
[#41]
So how does the slightly lower voltage affect the light?
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Posted: 2/2/2019 2:38:05 AM EDT
[#42]
I don't know if there is any difference to the light. They charged to 4.2v just like the 3.7s.
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Posted: 2/3/2019 8:04:59 AM EDT
[#43]
Dont want to derail the thread or cause a shut down...but how do the lights work with 123 batts? How much brighter with the re-chargeables? Does it appear 50% brighter (1000 vs 1500lm)?
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Posted: 2/3/2019 9:30:52 AM EDT
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Dont want to derail the thread or cause a shut down...but how do the lights work with 123 batts? How much brighter with the re-chargeables? Does it appear 50% brighter (1000 vs 1500lm)? |
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Posted: 2/3/2019 9:39:04 AM EDT
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I don't know if there is any difference to the light. They charged to 4.2v just like the 3.7s. |
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Posted: 2/14/2019 2:18:56 PM EDT
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Surefire claims 1200 lumens on CR123 vs 1500 with Li-Ion. Their lumen numbers tend to be correct so that is very likely true numbers. With that said 1200 vs 1500 lumens is noticeable but only just. Most people likely wouldn't be able to tell the difference unless you had both the 1200 and 1500 lumen light side by side. If I were to choose a weapon light to only use CR123s then this one would be high on my list. |
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Posted: 2/14/2019 10:08:08 PM EDT
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Just got a free replacement battery for my faulty battery. Has a built-in micro USB port in it.
Me as I opened the package: "why the fuck did they put a USB cable in here? The charger doesn't work like that!" Me 30 seconds later: " well shit, this is a fancy fucking battery" |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 4:30:53 AM EDT
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-Is there an issue just using Streamlight batteries?
-Does the 1000 lumen Scout throw further or have a different beam profile than this 1500 lumen DF model? |
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Posted: 2/19/2019 10:22:16 PM EDT
[#49]
Been looking at this model...
Is it safe to order from Amazon? |
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Posted: 2/19/2019 11:00:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Been looking at this model... Is it safe to order from Amazon? |
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