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Question for you guys who have gone down this road.
I’m kicking around the idea of putting a KNS piston in my Yugo and turning it into a host for my Sandman. My barrel has 14mm LH threads and I see a few different adapters. What is better, an adapter that indexes on the threads of my muzzle (like the KNS 5/8”x24) or an adapter that actually engages the detent pin in the front sight? |
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Option A. In general, you want a suppressor nice and tight against the barrel. If it locks in with the detent, that introduced play. Play is a bad thing.
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You can make the adapter fit flush against the FSB and still engage the detent, I do it all the time with my muzzle devices.
JMAC also makes a Key Mo mount in 14x1LH: https://www.jmac-customs.com/rrd-2c-14f-keymount/ |
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Awesome, I had no idea there was a direct thread Key Mount for my barrel.
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S0 many cans! Out of those used here - which would actually be the quiestest can for the AK? I'm considering getting a CGS Helios - it can be used for 5.56 or 7.62 from what they tell me.
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Originally Posted By optoisolator: S0 many cans! Out of those used here - which would actually be the quiestest can for the AK? I'm considering getting a CGS Helios - it can be used for 5.56 or 7.62 from what they tell me. View Quote I don't think there is a quietest can for the AK in particular. Whatever works on an AR will also work on an AK, but the AK will be louder to whatever degree the AK is naturally louder than an AR |
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question folks; say i have identified the threads on my ak are concentric...
And I get a suppressor muzzle device tapped to M14 LH, how sensitive is it to being knocked off center from indexing it against the front sight block? Just wondering if we are talking about a 75% chance the irregularities of the sight block will screw things up; i can forget about this option. |
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Originally Posted By TX-Zen: KR-9 with Perst 3 and Ghost-M in short configuration https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73202/20200811_074148-1541569.jpg Bulgarian AKSU kit with DBAL A3 and Griffin M4-SDK with KeyMo adapter https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73202/20200815_182149-1548300.jpg View Quote Any issues running the DBAL on the Ultimak? I had a similar setup on a SAM7SF a few years back and I didn't want to risk it after the DBAL warmed up a bit. |
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Originally Posted By RicoSwalley: Any issues running the DBAL on the Ultimak? I had a similar setup on a SAM7SF a few years back and I didn't want to risk it after the DBAL warmed up a bit. View Quote |
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isnt it rough on the svd already to suppress it?
I have the adjustable gas block which helps bleed off more but adding a can would just make it violent. ANd parts arent cheap. but man is that pretty |
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It looks like CNC Warrior no longer has the guide rods. What are you guys using to make sure your threads are concentric and that you won't get baffle strikes when mounting your suppressor? I'll most likely be using a Griffin thread adapter on my AKS74N.
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: It looks like CNC Warrior no longer has the guide rods. What are you guys using to make sure your threads are concentric and that you won't get baffle strikes when mounting your suppressor? I'll most likely be using a Griffin thread adapter on my AKS74N. View Quote 5.45 - 13/64 7.62 - 19/64 |
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Has anyone suppressed a Galil? The original not the Ace. I just picked up a ATI Galil that I want to cut to 14.5” and suppress...
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave: Has anyone suppressed a Galil? The original not the Ace. I just picked up a ATI Galil that I want to cut to 14.5” and suppress... View Quote I haven't done it personally, but the guys at Dead Air let me shoot theirs. Basically all you'll need is a kns piston and you'll be set. |
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Originally Posted By TX-Zen: I use the Fastenal rods 5.45 - 13/64 7.62 - 19/64 https://zenphotos.net/ZenPhotos/File/Online/SVD/Action/ImpactZone10042014/Socom762_Concentric_AKSU_01.jpg View Quote Any danger of these Fastenal rods damaging the bore since they’re steel? I tried to put one down my AKP the other day and it wouldn’t go in very far without force, which freaked me out. Pulled it out and found two small vertical scratches on the rifling |
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Originally Posted By Aussiepwnage: Any danger of these Fastenal rods damaging the bore since they're steel? I tried to put one down my AKP the other day and it wouldn't go in very far without force, which freaked me out. Pulled it out and found two small vertical scratches on the rifling View Quote |
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Have an SLR-104FR I'd like to suppress - any reason NOT to go with the Dead Air Wolverine?
Are there better suppressors for 5.45 AKs? |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Have an SLR-104FR I'd like to suppress - any reason NOT to go with the Dead Air Wolverine? Are there better suppressors for 5.45 AKs? View Quote The Wolverine is cool but you'll need earpro all the time. To me it's still more uncomfortable than a K can but my opinion is subjective I am a big fan of DA cans and have a bunch of K and S including the Wolverine, but IMHO the Wolverine is a bit too much of a compromise suppressor, especially for 5.45 guns. With the 30 cal baffles of the S and K series you have a lot more room for error in concentricity and don't need the 40 cal baffles of the Wolverine I am really happy with my Wolverine on my 7.62 AKM with subs, but that's about all I use it for these days |
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Originally Posted By TX-Zen: IMO almost all suppressors are better than the Wolverine. I use the DA Sandman K on a few rifles and most of them are concentric enough with the Sandman S as well. The K cans are not hearing safe and do seem to take the edge off. The S does seem to be right at hearing safe but you should still use caution The Wolverine is cool but you'll need earpro all the time. To me it's still more uncomfortable than a K can but my opinion is subjective I am a big fan of DA cans and have a bunch of K and S including the Wolverine, but IMHO the Wolverine is a bit too much of a compromise suppressor, especially for 5.45 guns. With the 30 cal baffles of the S and K series you have a lot more room for error in concentricity and don't need the 40 cal baffles of the Wolverine I am really happy with my Wolverine on my 7.62 AKM with subs, but that's about all I use it for these days View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TX-Zen: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Have an SLR-104FR I'd like to suppress - any reason NOT to go with the Dead Air Wolverine? Are there better suppressors for 5.45 AKs? The Wolverine is cool but you'll need earpro all the time. To me it's still more uncomfortable than a K can but my opinion is subjective I am a big fan of DA cans and have a bunch of K and S including the Wolverine, but IMHO the Wolverine is a bit too much of a compromise suppressor, especially for 5.45 guns. With the 30 cal baffles of the S and K series you have a lot more room for error in concentricity and don't need the 40 cal baffles of the Wolverine I am really happy with my Wolverine on my 7.62 AKM with subs, but that's about all I use it for these days Was hoping you'd chime in - thanks. Definitely looking for something that would get me as much sound suppression as possible out of my 5.45 AK (SLR-104FR). What sort of adapter do you need to use with a Dead Air Sandman? Also, other than the weight and length, any reason NOT to go with the longer L version over the S? I guess there isn't THAT much noticeable sound difference between the L and S on a 5.45 AK? |
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I started as a K can guy for the agility and ease of use and really just wanted the edge taken off rather than being truly hearing safe, but now that I've been in the game for so many years I've gravitated to hearing safe use. That happened because after I had a lot of hours using both full size and K cans I realized there isn't that big of a difference between them. Realistically, by the time you add optic, light, laser and suppressor to either AKs or ARs you're going to be in the 10 pound range anyway, so the advantage of the K can is less than I thought it would be
I still use my K cans for most rifles but my three dedicated SHTF / hunting guns each has a full length suppressor. Under the circumstances I wouldn't see a huge difference between the S and the L, but I will admit that my AAC 762SDN6 is on the long side, and probably so is the Sandman L, but that doesn't stop me from using the 762SDN6 on my 12" Grendel AR This is all really personal to how you use your rifles so I don't have perfect answers but after I realized that no night fighting rifle is ever going to be really light it started to make more sense to go for hearing safe since the weight savings were going to marginal overall with a K can If you have a 24x1.5 FSB Griffin makes an adapter for 1/2x28 and 5/8x24 that work great and really seem to help mitigate concentricity problems. As much as I like CNC warrior products and use several of their thread adapters for muzzle brakes, the 24x1.5 they have is not suitable for suppressors. It's just too loose and the wobble is probably going to get you in trouble. Not a not on CNC Warrior at all though. They are a great company that makes great products but their adaptor is for brakes, not suppressors |
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Originally Posted By TX-Zen: I started as a K can guy for the agility and ease of use and really just wanted the edge taken off rather than being truly hearing safe, but now that I've been in the game for so many years I've gravitated to hearing safe use. That happened because after I had a lot of hours using both full size and K cans I realized there isn't that big of a difference between them. Realistically, by the time you add optic, light, laser and suppressor to either AKs or ARs you're going to be in the 10 pound range anyway, so the advantage of the K can is less than I thought it would be I still use my K cans for most rifles but my three dedicated SHTF / hunting guns each has a full length suppressor. Under the circumstances I wouldn't see a huge difference between the S and the L, but I will admit that my AAC 762SDN6 is on the long side, and probably so is the Sandman L, but that doesn't stop me from using the 762SDN6 on my 12" Grendel AR This is all really personal to how you use your rifles so I don't have perfect answers but after I realized that no night fighting rifle is ever going to be really light it started to make more sense to go for hearing safe since the weight savings were going to marginal overall with a K can If you have a 24x1.5 FSB Griffin makes an adapter for 1/2x28 and 5/8x24 that work great and really seem to help mitigate concentricity problems. As much as I like CNC warrior products and use several of their thread adapters for muzzle brakes, the 24x1.5 they have is not suitable for suppressors. It's just too loose and the wobble is probably going to get you in trouble. Not a not on CNC Warrior at all though. They are a great company that makes great products but their adaptor is for brakes, not suppressors View Quote I'm assuming it's 24x1.5? It's a factory SLR-104FR. One thing I have already is a Surefire 762-RC2 Suppressor - I think this adapter below would work with my SLR-104, right? https://shootingsurplus.com/surefire-sf3p762m24x1-3-prong-7-62-flash-hider-m24x1-5-threads-ak-47-7-62x39mm-stainless-steel/ Would prefer a 556 can for better suppression, but I suppose it's probably still pretty good with a 762 as well. |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I'm assuming it's 24x1.5? It's a factory SLR-104FR. One thing I have already is a Surefire 762-RC2 Suppressor - I think this adapter below would work with my SLR-104, right? https://shootingsurplus.com/surefire-sf3p762m24x1-3-prong-7-62-flash-hider-m24x1-5-threads-ak-47-7-62x39mm-stainless-steel/ Would prefer a 556 can for better suppression, but I suppose it's probably still pretty good with a 762 as well. View Quote The Surefire FH mount should work, I have a buddy who has tested his 762-RC2 on a number of 24x1.5 AKs and he's been good to go 556 vs 30 cal is another area where I ended up siding with 30 cal. It gives a greater margin for error on 5.45 guns and I don't think you can really tell the difference, especially in the heat of the moment doing anything interesting or serious Pretty sure this is that exact Surefire FH |
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I've got a YHM resonator K that I'm thinking of setting up for my 74s or maybe even my norinco 56S if I can verify that the threads on that one are concentric. My full size resonator is the older style that doesn't have the universal 1 3/8x24 end like the K one does unfortunately so finding a mount adapter for the long one will be iffy.
Are you guys doing anything to the guns to reduce the extra back pressure or anything? I know AKs are already pretty overgassed even unsupressed. I have already put geissele recoil springs in most of my AKs but are you guys using those buffers or whatever that I remember being a thing years ago? I'm not going to permanently modify anything but I'm wondering if it's even necessary to worry about. |
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Originally Posted By duhflushtech: I've got a YHM resonator K that I'm thinking of setting up for my 74s or maybe even my norinco 56S if I can verify that the threads on that one are concentric. My full size resonator is the older style that doesn't have the universal 1 3/8x24 end like the K one does unfortunately so finding a mount adapter for the long one will be iffy. Are you guys doing anything to the guns to reduce the extra back pressure or anything? I know AKs are already pretty overgassed even unsupressed. I have already put geissele recoil springs in most of my AKs but are you guys using those buffers or whatever that I remember being a thing years ago? I'm not going to permanently modify anything but I'm wondering if it's even necessary to worry about. View Quote I've got two KNS pistons and will vouch for them 100%. The other option that I'm aware of is the Definitive Arms adjustable gas block, but that's more labor intensive and requires gunsmith tools and knowledge. It's a little sketchy drilling through the rivet of your carrier at home, but it eventually comes out and you can install the KNS easily afterwards. |
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Originally Posted By RicoSwalley: I've got two KNS pistons and will vouch for them 100%. The other option that I'm aware of is the Definitive Arms adjustable gas block, but that's more labor intensive and requires gunsmith tools and knowledge. It's a little sketchy drilling through the rivet of your carrier at home, but it eventually comes out and you can install the KNS easily afterwards. View Quote Is it necessary? I don't want to do any more modifications than I need to (especially given the price of the pistons), but I also definitely don't want my guns beating themselves to death. ETA: Looking at the KNS online and seeing and that it is pretty easy to adjust on the fly, I do have a spare 5.45 bolt carrier floating around. Maybe I can just buy one piston and install it on that one carrier, then just swap it into different rifles when I want to suppress one. Looks like their bulgarian pistons are out of stock, hopefully they make some more eventually. |
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Originally Posted By duhflushtech: Is it necessary? I don't want to do any more modifications than I need to (especially given the price of the pistons), but I also definitely don't want my guns beating themselves to death. ETA: Looking at the KNS online and seeing and that it is pretty easy to adjust on the fly, I do have a spare 5.45 bolt carrier floating around. Maybe I can just buy one piston and install it on that one carrier, then just swap it into different rifles when I want to suppress one. Looks like their bulgarian pistons are out of stock, hopefully they make some more eventually. View Quote Only you can determine if it’s necessary. I like to record slow motion video of my AKs cycling so I can see how far the carrier will travel with different rounds, gas settings, and suppressed/unsuppressed. Before I had my Wolverine, my underfolder used to recoil harder than I liked and replacing the piston allowed me to tune it to exactly where I wanted it. Now with the suppressor, it’s even more necessary in my opinion. To me, the KNS is worth every penny just because I like to tinker and optimize everything I can. One could argue that it’s another variable or potential failure point, but the newest gen pistons are much more solid than the first gen where the adjustment collar piece was the only weak part. After maybe two years of use, one of the locking pieces broke on my first gen collar and KNS sent me the new collar free of charge in about three days. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By RicoSwalley: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/455660/6074B3AA-26DD-4120-ABFD-E42560E7620B_jpe-1685212.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/455660/601B23DB-FB1B-4CFE-AE0A-3C7ADAADCE61_jpe-1685213.JPG View Quote Awesome rifle! Who makes it and what gas tube cover is that? |
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Originally Posted By AEROMechanic: Awesome rifle! Who makes it and what gas tube cover is that? View Quote Thank you! It's an Arsenal SLR-106CR that I had cut, threaded, and pinned with the longest JMAC Customs muzzle device they have (the RRD-4C 28S KeyMo), The gas tube is the Ultimak M1-B, which is my favorite way to mount optics and a light. |
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Hey guys, I have a couple YHM cans and I noticed YHM sells a 14x1LH muzzle device. I have a 16" PSA GB2, would i just tighten the YHM device right up against the front sight?
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Originally Posted By JerDerv: Hey guys, I have a couple YHM cans and I noticed YHM sells a 14x1LH muzzle device. I have a 16" PSA GB2, would i just tighten the YHM device right up against the front sight? View Quote Interested in answer. There is a used PSA GF3 that has a kns piston already installed I’m thinking about snagging. Are the threads concentric on these? I have a resonator k and a Rex mg7 .358 that would be used with yhm muzzle device. Edit:rifle sold quick missed out. |
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I ordered the KNS piston from optics planet. I'm also interested in that YHM adapter. I'd buy one and let you know but it will be a while before I have access to my Norinco to see how it works.
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What sort of adaptor would I need to make my silencerco 7.62 saker fit on my SAM7k-44?
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Originally Posted By JerDerv: Hey guys, I have a couple YHM cans and I noticed YHM sells a 14x1LH muzzle device. I have a 16" PSA GB2, would i just tighten the YHM device right up against the front sight? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JerDerv: Hey guys, I have a couple YHM cans and I noticed YHM sells a 14x1LH muzzle device. I have a 16" PSA GB2, would i just tighten the YHM device right up against the front sight? I don't have experience with the YHM muzzle device, but yes, more or less it should tighten down against the FSB. It's possible that it may not screw down all the way to the FSB and that would be ok too, as long as it gets extremely tight. Read the manual if they include one. Most suppressor muzzle devices have shims to help with indexing and often have instructions on how it works, so read that You'll want to loc-tite the muzzle device in place to be sure it doesn't walk during shooting and of course do a good rod check or 5 to be sure it's concentric Originally Posted By Bandhunter: Interested in answer. There is a used PSA GF3 that has a kns piston already installed I'm thinking about snagging. Are the threads concentric on these? I have a resonator k and a Rex mg7 .358 that would be used with yhm muzzle device. Edit:rifle sold quick missed out. I haven't been paying enough attention to the GF3 to know if they have concentricity problems |
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Originally Posted By JerDerv: Hey guys, I have a couple YHM cans and I noticed YHM sells a 14x1LH muzzle device. I have a 16" PSA GB2, would i just tighten the YHM device right up against the front sight? View Quote Attached File Attached File |
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