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Posted: 2/20/2021 1:50:38 AM EDT
[#1]
The AK-105 is on its way too, I’d say I’m going to have a hard time not buying one, but they’ll be perpetually OOS so...
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Posted: 2/20/2021 2:04:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The AK-105 is on its way too, I’d say I’m going to have a hard time not buying one, but they’ll be perpetually OOS so... I'm a bit torn. Obviously their rifles have a lot of problems. There isn't a week that goes by where some new thread isn't put up describing some issue or another. But even with the occasional shitty rifle that rolls out the door, these people are delivering a lot of the products I've been wanting to see on the US market for a while now. So, I'll buy one if they can keep the prices reasonable (under 1k), and put a TDI adapter on it and a SBA3 brace. Not a big fan of the goofy "triangle braces" though. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 2:19:51 AM EDT
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Arsenal had a very short run - around 63 made - of the SAM-7 SFC, their take on the 104, which has a milled receive & a Galil style L side thumb selector.
 I actually bought 2 of them, & plan to do a SBR conversion. That collar in front of the gas block is a threaded adapter with spring loaded notch-interfacing detent for FH/brake/can mounting to prevent loosening. It's the quintessential simplified Ruskie take on QD adapters. Arsenal needs to release an AK107. NEEDS to. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 2:25:55 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually bought 2 of them, & plan to do a SBR conversion. That, my good fellow, would be sick! Post pics when done. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 3:27:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2021 9:44:55 AM EDT
[#6]
I love these guys and what they are doing for the AK market. They are really trying to get good stuff out there
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Posted: 2/20/2021 10:11:06 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love these guys and what they are doing for the AK market. They are really trying to get good stuff out there Are they though? I'm not sure they're actually making any. 
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Posted: 2/20/2021 10:18:14 AM EDT
[#8]
I notice it doesn't have the FN chrome lined barrel though... nitride?
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Posted: 2/20/2021 12:06:26 PM EDT
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Oh, I like that 104 pistol. I can see that being a fun SBR project.
Hopefully this means 105 pistols some day. I would even stalk the website daily for one of those. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 12:37:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love these guys and what they are doing for the AK market. They are really trying to get good stuff out there Quote HistoryQuoted: I love these guys and what they are doing for the AK market. They are really trying to get good stuff out there They seem to be have a significantly greater amount of lemons out there when compared with their Flroida based competitor. Still, they are undoubtedly quicker to market with form-factors that I've always wanted to see, so I am going to roll the dice. Quoted: Are they though? I'm not sure they're actually making any. Their products are not scarce. Quoted: I notice it doesn't have the FN chrome lined barrel though... nitride? I'm not sure this decreases the desirability for me. Quoted: Oh, I like that 104 pistol. I can see that being a fun SBR project. Hopefully this means 105 pistols some day. I would even stalk the website daily for one of those. The pistol looks sick, agreed! I, however, have a job and can't be on their website 24/7. I can just wait for the initial rush of rubes to be over though. I'm not worried about them running out of a product they can make more of... |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 1:08:17 PM EDT
[#11]
I need that.
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Posted: 2/20/2021 1:53:53 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are they though? I'm not sure they're actually making any. Sell out within minutes everytime. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 2:27:13 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Their AK's drop daily. Sell out within minutes everytime. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are they though? I'm not sure they're actually making any. Sell out within minutes everytime. I got lucky one day and saw the GF5 MOEkov in stock browsing PSA's site. They're always sold out of everything, and I always get emails from them. I never saw anything from them in my inbox that any of their in-house product was in stock. Unless you request to be notified for a specific SKU, they probably don't advertise when they have them in stock because they probably don't produce very many at a time. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 5:27:10 PM EDT
[#14]
When I picked up my 103 I found them to restock rifles on or about 4pm EST most nights.
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Posted: 2/20/2021 5:52:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their AK's drop daily. Sell out within minutes everytime. Recently they've been staying in stock longer. I've been watching the site for these 104 to drop. I have not see them in stock yet. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 6:27:20 PM EDT
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It says the barrels are nitrided, not sure why they didnt use fn barrels but realistically ill probably never shoot out a nitrided barrel especially with ammo prices being what they are.
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Posted: 2/20/2021 6:46:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I never saw anything from them in my inbox that any of their in-house product was in stock. Unless you request to be notified for a specific SKU, they probably don't advertise when they have them in stock because they probably don't produce very many at a time. They said over in their industry subforum that a product has to be in stock for about an hour to trigger the back in stock notification email. Otherwise, because of the delay in the system processing the emails, people would get notifications only to go to the website and find out the item was sold out (that happens to be with Arms Unlimited all the time). Because PSA's AKs (and other products) sell out so quickly, the email notifications never go out. As an example, I was watching the 74s on the website one afternoon and saw the plum and black classic folders appears in stock at 4:03 PM. By 4:08 PM, the plum folder was sold out. The black folders sold out around 4:15 PM, I think. I don't know how many they drop at a time, but I'm guessing it's somewhere from 25-50 of each model. They seem to release 2 or 3 models at a time - the 74 plum and black folders on one day, for instance, or all the triangle folders on a different day. They sell out almost instantly. Their AK FB page is kind of entertaining to watch as people report in what models are in stock and then vent their frustration when a model sells out while they were still trying to check out. It happens every weekday with some PSA AK model. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like it with web sales. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 8:38:16 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It says the barrels are nitrided, not sure why they didnt use fn barrels but realistically ill probably never shoot out a nitrided barrel especially with ammo prices being what they are. Because FN doesnt make a 12.5" AK barrel? :D I would like to see them do the long barrel variant, looks like the SLR107-CR, with one of their FN barrels. On the existing FN PSAK barrels, the barrel markings are out past the gas port. When you chop the barrel off, you lose the FN logo, caliber marking, and twist rate marking. And realistically, FN can't supply enough barrels for the number of AKs that PSA puts out. If they have SKUs that require an FN barrel, and then for whatever reason, there are not enough FN barrels, then they can't make that SKU. Its better when they use a PSA in-house CHF barrel, or a DC machine nitride barrel, because they have more control over those. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 10:22:47 PM EDT
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Sorry guys, I would reply to each of you, but Im on the phone now. A quick thought regarding commercial barrels: FN doesn't have a long history of producing these, and as far as I am aware, does not provide them for military purposes. Their forged barrels carry no premium over any other commercial barrel maker in my opinion. So I am NOT going to denigrate this product because it is using a nitrited (presumably button rifled) barrel.
Again: this is a cool product, and deserves an open mind. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 2:07:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They seem to be have a significantly greater amount of lemons out there when compared with their Flroida based competitor. Still, they are undoubtedly quicker to market with form-factors that I've always wanted to see, so I am going to roll the dice. They produce a significantly greater amount of rifles than their Florida based competitor. Honestly the scale of production is so dissimilar that I am not even sure if they are competitors. I live in Florida and haven't even seen a KR-103 in person yet. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 2:48:18 PM EDT
[#21]
Once the gunpocalypse of 2020-? slows down and PSA has enough inventory to actually have sales again, I am in for a 104 pistol. 7.62x39 does really well out of a 12.5” barrel, and it’s still short enough to put a decent sized lightweight suppressor on it via the JMAC Omega thread adapter muzzle devices. PSA’s nitrided barrels are pretty accurate by AK standards, so that would be a great truck gun.
Not in any hurry though. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 2:52:46 PM EDT
[#22]
FWIW I'm going to convert one of my PSA 103s to a 104, or maybe sell it and try my luck with their new 104
Odds are I'll convert mine. Those FN barrels are throwing down really good groups suppressed. My rifle in Rob Ski's video was doing 1.5 MOA and my other PSA 103 is right there with it, maybe a little tighter. Suppressed mind you, but that's all I shoot these days and the 104 would be suppressed too, probably with subsonics for fun |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 4:50:37 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FWIW I'm going to convert one of my PSA 103s to a 104, or maybe sell it and try my luck with their new 104 Odds are I'll convert mine. Those FN barrels are throwing down really good groups suppressed. My rifle in Rob Ski's video was doing 1.5 MOA and my other PSA 103 is right there with it, maybe a little tighter. Suppressed mind you, but that's all I shoot these days and the 104 would be suppressed too, probably with subsonics for fun I friggin love FN barrels, all my AR's have them now, and my experiences as far as accuracy have been the same as yours. One of these days i'm gonna pick up a barrel and build on a nice milled receiver. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 5:53:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They produce a significantly greater amount of rifles than their Florida based competitor. Honestly the scale of production is so dissimilar that I am not even sure if they are competitors. I live in Florida and haven't even seen a KR-103 in person yet. Fair point. I’ve only seen KR9’s in the wild, and they are dramatically cooler than the model in that segment put out by South Carolina. Haven’t seen a KR103 either. For the rifles though, PSA is ahead due to the 104 and the likelihood of a krink pistol. And yeah, the scale is different, but the fact both companies instantly sell out of everything they make is telling. We are in a bit of a bubble, and I’ve been hoping things would slow down for a while now.. Who knows what the future will hold. Likely more goofy looking Polish guns and overpriced Serbian guns.... will the Americans be able to compete against those? Yes., I believe they can. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 9:01:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who knows what the future will hold. Likely more goofy looking Polish guns and overpriced Serbian guns.... will the Americans be able to compete against those? Yes., I believe they can. With the possibility of tighter import restrictions in the future, we may not even have those. So I'm really glad PSA is widening their stable. Hopefully their 5.45 krinks come out soon. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 11:59:41 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With the possibility of tighter import restrictions in the future, we may not even have those. So I'm really glad PSA is widening their stable. Hopefully their 5.45 krinks come out soon. It would be a real loss if we cant get Serbian guns in anymore. I had hoped that eventually Zastava would return to Century as their importer instead of the outfit that currently brings them in. With regard to the US made Krink: I am excited at the prospects as well, though I have one built on a bulgarian kit, I want another one. More excpeted if they do a 105 pattern. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 12:07:34 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be a real loss if we cant get Serbian guns in anymore. I had hoped that eventually Zastava would return to Century as their importer instead of the outfit that currently brings them in. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 12:21:19 AM EDT
[#28]
lol doesnt matter, might as well say they are selling full auto MP5 for $18. neither will actually exsist.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:55:35 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is wrong with Zastava USA? Genuinely curious, as I have no experience dealing with them, but had the surface impression that them putting down roots in the states was a good thing. They seem to be getting stuff into country quickly and in quantities that are a lot larger than other importers. Are their sales reps a pain or something? Id like to know as well. I spoke to someone at zastava usa last week and they were very helpful. I mean i gyess if you want your magwell hollowed out by a monkey with sloppy finish then century is the way to go. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 8:26:11 AM EDT
[#30]
@PalmettoStateArmory
Is there any way the barrels could be threaded on the 16” versions? I realize that they have 24mm threaded FSBs, but it would be nice to have threads on the barrels also. Without barrel threads it will be impossible to mount a suppressor due to the added length in front of the FSB threads. It shouldn’t interfere with anything. Here is an example of what I’m talking about. @TX-Zen  
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:30:58 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had hoped that eventually Zastava would return to Century as their importer instead of the outfit that currently brings them in. My brain melted reading this. You would rather have Century bring in the rifle than the manufacturer of the rifle? |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 12:11:58 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @PalmettoStateArmory Is there any way the barrels could be threaded on the 16” versions? I realize that they have 24mm threaded FSBs, but it would be nice to have threads on the barrels also. Without barrel threads it will be impossible to mount a suppressor due to the added length in front of the FSB threads. It shouldn’t interfere with anything. Here is an example of what I’m talking about. @TX-Zen https://zenphotos.net/ZenPhotos/File/Online/SVD/Tactical/AKSU_threading_Close02.JPG I understand what you are saying. I just sent the suggestion up the chain of command. Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 12:30:05 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: Id like to know as well. I spoke to someone at zastava usa last week and they were very helpful. I mean i gyess if you want your magwell hollowed out by a monkey with sloppy finish then century is the way to go. Quoted: My brain melted reading this. You would rather have Century bring in the rifle than the manufacturer of the rifle? Zastava USA a reseller for Zastava Serbia. Nothing more. Though it is the subject of another thread: yes, I much prefered Century as the importer for these guns. This is entirely due to markup. I'm sure the person that commented above spoke with a perfectly pleasant person on the phone. But that has nothing to do with anything. Since they became the exclusive importer, the price at which they sell the items they import has gone up significantly. This occurred even before the covid outbreak. Though they haven't mastered building rifles, Century Arms is extremely good at moving large volumes of imported rifles at relatively low cost. So YES, I much prefer them. If you enjoy paying $1500 for a fucking m70 with a bunch of bolt on crap, then disregard my comment, and best of luck to you. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 1:07:28 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand what you are saying. I just sent the suggestion up the chain of command. Thank you, Josiah Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @PalmettoStateArmory Is there any way the barrels could be threaded on the 16” versions? I realize that they have 24mm threaded FSBs, but it would be nice to have threads on the barrels also. Without barrel threads it will be impossible to mount a suppressor due to the added length in front of the FSB threads. It shouldn’t interfere with anything. Here is an example of what I’m talking about. @TX-Zen https://zenphotos.net/ZenPhotos/File/Online/SVD/Tactical/AKSU_threading_Close02.JPG I understand what you are saying. I just sent the suggestion up the chain of command. Thank you, Josiah Thank you Josiah. 
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Posted: 2/22/2021 1:30:54 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love these guys and what they are doing for the AK market. They are really trying to get good stuff out there Assuming these function..my only gripe is how they are naming their "klone" line. This is definitely not an AK-104 clone.  If anything it's visually an Arsenal CR clone.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 3:00:37 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Without barrel threads it will be impossible to mount a suppressor due to the added length in front of the FSB threads. It shouldn't interfere with anything The risk of non concentricity on the PSA seems to be very low, both of mine are GTG on the rod test, but I agree it can be more efficient to thread in front of the FSB on the exposed barrel. I did that with one AKSU and one AK105, though I have 3x as many that use the Griffin on the 24x1.5 |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 3:20:46 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can easily mount a suppressor using the 24x1.5 FSB, you just need a Griffin adapter. I do it on a bunch of my AKs including both of the PSA 103s that I have The risk of non concentricity on the PSA seems to be very low, both of mine are GTG on the rod test, but I agree it can be more efficient to thread in front of the FSB on the exposed barrel. I did that with one AKSU and one AK105, though I have 3x as many that use the Griffin on the 24x1.5 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Without barrel threads it will be impossible to mount a suppressor due to the added length in front of the FSB threads. It shouldn't interfere with anything The risk of non concentricity on the PSA seems to be very low, both of mine are GTG on the rod test, but I agree it can be more efficient to thread in front of the FSB on the exposed barrel. I did that with one AKSU and one AK105, though I have 3x as many that use the Griffin on the 24x1.5 I’m referring to the rifles that have the barrel extending far beyond the FSB, the muzzle would be well inside the can even if it fit, which I don’t think it would.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 3:54:59 PM EDT
[#38]
Cameron at PSA has stated they will do an FN CHF version in the future, but they don't have a timeline. I'll be grabbing one of these.
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Posted: 2/23/2021 8:25:26 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cameron at PSA has stated they will do an FN CHF version in the future, but they don't have a timeline. I'll be grabbing one of these. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:59:20 AM EDT
[#40]
I want one, but I would want to SBR it.
I don't really want to deal with the stamp and ATF stuff. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 5:49:47 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Assuming these function..my only gripe is how they are naming their "klone" line. This is definitely not an AK-104 clone. If anything it's visually an Arsenal CR clone. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 6:56:10 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Zastava USA a reseller for Zastava Serbia. Nothing more. Though it is the subject of another thread: yes, I much prefered Century as the importer for these guns. This is entirely due to markup. I'm sure the person that commented above spoke with a perfectly pleasant person on the phone. But that has nothing to do with anything. Since they became the exclusive importer, the price at which they sell the items they import has gone up significantly. This occurred even before the covid outbreak. Though they haven't mastered building rifles, Century Arms is extremely good at moving large volumes of imported rifles at relatively low cost. So YES, I much prefer them. If you enjoy paying $1500 for a fucking m70 with a bunch of bolt on crap, then disregard my comment, and best of luck to you. For a while I wanted the MKE MP5 clone that was imported by Zenith. It was $1600-$1700. So I saved up the $, & just found out that Century is now importing the exact same gun from MKE. But it now goes for $3K. Thanks Century. GARY |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 8:03:39 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For a while I wanted the MKE MP5 clone that was imported by Zenith. It was $1600-$1700. So I saved up the $, & just found out that Century is now importing the exact same gun from MKE. But it now goes for $3K. Thanks Century. GARY To be fair I dont think that proce has anything to do with century. Its been a while since mke hasnhad guns come in. The proce on mp5s is really high now. I dont know what the msrp is but i can guarantee you its not $3000. Hell the real hk sp5 has a msrp below that. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:44:26 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair I dont think that proce has anything to do with century. Its been a while since mke hasnhad guns come in. The proce on mp5s is really high now. I dont know what the msrp is but i can guarantee you its not $3000. Hell the real hk sp5 has a msrp below that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For a while I wanted the MKE MP5 clone that was imported by Zenith. It was $1600-$1700. So I saved up the $, & just found out that Century is now importing the exact same gun from MKE. But it now goes for $3K. Thanks Century. GARY To be fair I dont think that proce has anything to do with century. Its been a while since mke hasnhad guns come in. The proce on mp5s is really high now. I dont know what the msrp is but i can guarantee you its not $3000. Hell the real hk sp5 has a msrp below that. No, the MSRP on the AP-5 really is $2999. Street prices are obviously jacked up right now, but Century has priced the MKE above what HK would sell the SP-5 in normal circumstances. Century can be good importing stuff, but as of late they’ve been tone-deaf with what the market wants and pricing. Zastava doing their own thing is likely a better choice for them. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 1:52:28 AM EDT
[#45]
If you fellas want, I’ll start another thread dealing exclusively with Zastava USA.
I wanted this thread to focus on PSA’s 104 pattern rifle. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 8:08:22 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you fellas want, I’ll start another thread dealing exclusively with Zastava USA. I wanted this thread to focus on PSA’s 104 pattern rifle. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 9:54:59 AM EDT
[#47]
WOW those look amazing!
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Posted: 2/24/2021 11:10:17 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would appreciate that for sure. Thank you for being willing to do so. Quote HistoryQuoted: I would appreciate that for sure. Thank you for being willing to do so. Will do brother. Quoted: WOW those look amazing! This was my thought as well. Yes: they are not clones of the 100 series, but they do have a real aesthetically pleasing form factor. I will probably buy one immediately. I just hope I don’t get a lemon. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 2:39:15 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you fellas want, I'll start another thread dealing exclusively with Zastava USA. I wanted this thread to focus on PSA's 104 pattern rifle. Please stay on topic in this thread, as OP has asked that this thread stay on PSA's 104's. dryflash3 |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 2:49:47 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Zastava USA a reseller for Zastava Serbia. Nothing more. Though it is the subject of another thread: yes, I much prefered Century as the importer for these guns. This is entirely due to markup. I'm sure the person that commented above spoke with a perfectly pleasant person on the phone. But that has nothing to do with anything. Since they became the exclusive importer, the price at which they sell the items they import has gone up significantly. This occurred even before the covid outbreak. Though they haven't mastered building rifles, Century Arms is extremely good at moving large volumes of imported rifles at relatively low cost. So YES, I much prefer them. If you enjoy paying $1500 for a fucking m70 with a bunch of bolt on crap, then disregard my comment, and best of luck to you. Century imported WASRs are going for $1200 new right now and the last batch of M70s with polymer furniture were going for $1300. I would absolutely pay $100 more for a Zastava. I don't own a Century or Zastava USA imported rifle, but would much rather be supporting Zastava USA, they listen to consumer feedback and implement new models and features based on that feedback. |
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