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Posted: 7/8/2022 9:54:34 AM EDT
I recently bought my first AK. I got the PSA GF5 based on reviews, and so far, I like it. I know that it's not going to be winning any benchrest competitions, but my eyes have gotten so bad, I can't see the front sight without my readers. I'd like to add a red dot but I'm not finding much that works.
I've tried a crappy NcStar railed dust cover, but that took filing more than 1/4" of material to get it to fit......then I had to weld up the bottom to get it to lock in, and I didn't like the way it turned out. Then I tried a p-rail rear sight. I really like how solid it fits, but now my RDS is 1/2" too high. I can build up the stock with a cheek piece, but I'm wondering if there's other options....maybe a railed dust cover that fits better? What do you all think?  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 10:04:24 AM EDT
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Dust Cover:
TWS Dogleg ($$) Zenitco ($$$$$) Sureshot Chassis ($$$) Gas Tube Rails/Rear Sight Replacement Ultimak ($) Attero/TWS Mount ($) SLR Handguard/Top Rail ($$$) Side Mount: RS Regulate ($$) AK Master Mount ($) For bad eyes/irons try a GG&G peep sight |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 10:10:56 AM EDT
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Thanks for the info!
Question--the TWS railed dust cover, does that fit the PSA GF5? |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 10:23:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the info! Question--the TWS railed dust cover, does that fit the PSA GF5? https://jlbillet.com/jl-billet-ak-dust-cover/ |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 10:27:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the brand that PSA is using on theirs. I think someone said PSA has them on their site too. https://jlbillet.com/jl-billet-ak-dust-cover/ Perfect! OOS, but that's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 10:39:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perfect! OOS, but that's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is the brand that PSA is using on theirs. I think someone said PSA has them on their site too. https://jlbillet.com/jl-billet-ak-dust-cover/ Perfect! OOS, but that's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! Honestly the TWS is great, also has a cut out that acts as an adjustable tension spring. No experience with the PSA/JL Billet. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 11:27:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly the TWS is great, also has a cut out that acts as an adjustable tension spring. No experience with the PSA/JL Billet. The TWS is the one I was originally looking at, but I don't know anything about AKs. I got burned on the cheap NcStar that wouldn't fit without major surgery....but I can deal with losing $49 and chalking it up to a learning experience. The $$$ for the TWS would be a much harder pill to swallow if it doesn't fit the GF5, but if it does, I've found them in stock at a few places. The JL is OOS everywhere. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 12:45:19 PM EDT
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I’ve ran an Attero mount with a T1 pretty hard on a psak. No complaints so far and it cowitnesses beautifully
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Posted: 7/8/2022 12:59:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The TWS is the one I was originally looking at, but I don't know anything about AKs. I got burned on the cheap NcStar that wouldn't fit without major surgery....but I can deal with losing $49 and chalking it up to a learning experience. The $$$ for the TWS would be a much harder pill to swallow if it doesn't fit the GF5, but if it does, I've found them in stock at a few places. The JL is OOS everywhere. This is on my PSA 104:  |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 2:05:17 PM EDT
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Thanks to everyone! TWS, part number 33310 is on the way. (I finally found their compatibility chart so I'm confident that I ordered the right one)
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Posted: 7/8/2022 3:55:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks to everyone! TWS, part number 33310 is on the way. (I finally found their compatibility chart so I'm confident that I ordered the right one) Its pretty nice. The actual length of the dust cover is adjustable. So no fitting needed imo |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 7:10:00 PM EDT
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Good luck OP.
Let us know how installation goes. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 9:34:35 AM EDT
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TWS railedl top cover or the Attero rear sight mount. I put the Attero mount on my Draco C SBR and it's rock solid.
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Posted: 7/9/2022 12:09:12 PM EDT
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I would look into the Attero arms mount. Seems like the best option if you want to mount an optic and not have to mess with it after that while still being able to fold the stock. The top cover systems have a lot of flex and points of contact and you have to manipulate them anytime you disassemble the rifle.
The Attero has a custom nut that locks the mount down pretty solidly and there's no reason to mess with it once it's mounted because you'll be able to take the rifle apart without removing it. I plan to use an Attero mount with a Holosun 509T on my next AK project, should be a pretty slick setup. With AKs it always seems like simple solutions tend to work the best. YMMV |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 12:43:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would look into the Attero arms mount. Seems like the best option if you want to mount an optic and not have to mess with it after that while still being able to fold the stock. The top cover systems have a lot of flex and points of contact and you have to manipulate them anytime you disassemble the rifle. The Attero has a custom nut that locks the mount down pretty solidly and there's no reason to mess with it once it's mounted because you'll be able to take the rifle apart without removing it. I plan to use an Attero mount with a Holosun 509T on my next AK project, should be a pretty slick setup. With AKs it always seems like simple solutions tend to work the best. YMMV Attero is great, but you need to shim it for it to be 100% viable due to rear sight block tolerances imo. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 12:55:49 PM EDT
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Sounds irrelevant to OP at this point, but for heavier optics like LPVOs, the Sabrewerks KOP system is by far the best option I’m aware of. The one on my Draco build has been phenomenal. I’ll add it to any “serious use” AK I build from here on out.
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Posted: 7/9/2022 5:02:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Attero is great, but you need to shim it for it to be 100% viable due to rear sight block tolerances imo. Good point, but in fact the mount system is extremely robust, haven't had one lose zero yet over tolerance. TWS Bitty mount might be a hair better than Attero, offers some addtional features. If Attero bugs ya though I understand, last rifle I did the rear sight channel was quite wide, but what I did instead of shims was braze some aluminum onto the sides of the mount at the front and rear, filled the rest with JB weld, sanded it all back down smooth and with an ultra-perfect custom fit. MAP gas and aluminum brazing rods, can get both at Home Depot. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 6:12:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good point, but in fact the mount system is extremely robust, haven't had one lose zero yet over tolerance. TWS Bitty mount might be a hair better than Attero, offers some addtional features. If Attero bugs ya though I understand, last rifle I did the rear sight channel was quite wide, but what I did instead of shims was braze some aluminum onto the sides of the mount at the front and rear, filled the rest with JB weld, sanded it all back down smooth and with an ultra-perfect custom fit. MAP gas and aluminum brazing rods, can get both at Home Depot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Attero is great, but you need to shim it for it to be 100% viable due to rear sight block tolerances imo. Good point, but in fact the mount system is extremely robust, haven't had one lose zero yet over tolerance. TWS Bitty mount might be a hair better than Attero, offers some addtional features. If Attero bugs ya though I understand, last rifle I did the rear sight channel was quite wide, but what I did instead of shims was braze some aluminum onto the sides of the mount at the front and rear, filled the rest with JB weld, sanded it all back down smooth and with an ultra-perfect custom fit. MAP gas and aluminum brazing rods, can get both at Home Depot. I did not care for the TWS Bitty Mount. TBH the way the T1 mounted into it did not inspire confidence. Basically the optic only made contact with my mount through the recoil lug and set screws. It didn't even touch the bottom of the optic cut and there was a gap on the sides of it. The Attero is a much better fit imo. I only like that the TWS uses a pin/c clip instead of a roll pin. However I found out the TWS pin does work on the attero, and tws even sells that hardware separate lmao.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 6:28:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did not care for the TWS Bitty Mount. TBH the way the T1 mounted into it did not inspire confidence. Basically the optic only made contact with my mount through the recoil lug and set screws. It didn't even touch the bottom of the optic cut and there was a gap on the sides of it. The Attero is a much better fit imo. I only like that the TWS uses a pin/c clip instead of a roll pin. However I found out the TWS pin does work on the attero, and tws even sells that hardware separate lmao. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/333164/qKQsa8k_jpg-2447072.JPG Wow, didn't know that, I don't have the Bitty mount myself but did talk with the guy when he was designing it...one of the things we mentioned was doing something better than just the split pin Attero uses for the front. Again on the last rifle I did with the modded Attero, I also threaded the front pin chanel, and used a tiny screw and nut on it, think it was a 10-32 but i'd have to go back and look at it, the nut worked out perfect as I had to shave one side slightly to fit against the ridge on the RSB and it made it anti-rotational. Talk about a tight lockup now, it's crazy strong. Can't see it too good in this pic, have to find the fullsize pic. I almost did a how-to post/vid as I was modding the mount, all in all it was super easy if you're handy with tools.  |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 4:41:21 PM EDT
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Running an Attero with a RMR on my SLR106.
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Posted: 7/12/2022 6:34:46 AM EDT
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 I have the TWS railed cover on my psa 104 as well, very happy with it, just follow the instructions as you install it |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 4:07:00 PM EDT
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I finally got around to installing my TWS Gen 3 dog leg.
Seems very solid and well made, and my RDS is now cowitnessing my front sight. Installation was a breeze. Only problem is that now the bolt is sticking at the very end of travel. A sharp smack with the heel of my hand frees it up, but I'm not happy that I may have to grind on a $200 mount to get it to work. (Poor choice of words--I don't actually have a problem with grinding, but I thought it would be a drop in fit.) I used TWS's fit chart to get the right one. (they list 33310 for PSA GF5) Now for more fun--I'm not seeing any rub marks on the bolt or the cover, so I have no idea where it's hanging up. I even went as far as to color the bolt and inside of the dust cover with silver sharpie--not seeing anywhere that's contacting or rubbing. When I charge it by hand, it sticks a little. If I pull harder on the charging handle, the bolt moves back an additional 1/8" or so, and it gets really stuck. I'm at a loss....can't figure out where it's sticking (other than 'somewhere' at full travel) Any ideas? |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 4:20:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I finally got around to installing my TWS Gen 3 dog leg. Seems very solid and well made, and my RDS is now cowitnessing my front sight. Installation was a breeze. Only problem is that now the bolt is sticking at the very end of travel. A sharp smack with the heel of my hand frees it up, but I'm not happy that I may have to grind on a $200 mount to get it to work. (Poor choice of words--I don't actually have a problem with grinding, but I thought it would be a drop in fit.) I used TWS's fit chart to get the right one. (they list 33310 for PSA GF5) Now for more fun--I'm not seeing any rub marks on the bolt or the cover, so I have no idea where it's hanging up. I even went as far as to color the bolt and inside of the dust cover with silver sharpie--not seeing anywhere that's contacting or rubbing. When I charge it by hand, it sticks a little. If I pull harder on the charging handle, the bolt moves back an additional 1/8" or so, and it gets really stuck. I'm at a loss....can't figure out where it's sticking (other than 'somewhere' at full travel) Any ideas? Also double check the install of the new main spring guide rod piece and make sure you have the legs of the wire spring guide seated on the end piece right. Overall just check to make sure it's not binding the spring/guide anywhere. |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 4:27:30 PM EDT
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Figured it out myself. I just had to take a closer look at the whole package, not just the bolt and cover.
The collar on the bottom of the take-down button had a little casting flaw that was getting stuck on the bolt. Took about a minute with a fine sanding drum and it's working as expected. Thanks--and thanks again for the suggestion for the TWS--I'm liking it!  Attached File |
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