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Posted: 2/23/2023 2:58:07 PM EDT
I am not super familiar with the SAG stuff but I think the MK3 Slim would be the one to get. SAG does show a version in the Russian catalog that's a continuous top rail. I wonder if it fits by removing the rear sight leaf or if the block needs the ears ground off, etc.
Interested to see how the practical accuracy testing goes with the MK3 attached.  AK Niner Mk3 - the Russian night-fighter Pt. 1 ( Saiga AK102 + SAG Mk3 | Sureshot Armament Group) |
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Posted: 2/23/2023 3:04:33 PM EDT
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The AK is a good weapon.
People’s underestimate how well it can compete with the AR. |
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Posted: 2/23/2023 9:30:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The AK is a good weapon. People's underestimate how well it can compete with the AR. |
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Posted: 2/24/2023 12:10:20 AM EDT
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I shot an AK with the SAG MK3 on it, very impressed with the rail, looked great on an AK-103 clone
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Posted: 2/24/2023 11:12:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: I am not super familiar with the SAG stuff but I think the MK3 Slim would be the one to get. SAG does show a version in the Russian catalog that's a continuous top rail. I wonder if it fits by removing the rear sight leaf or if the block needs the ears ground off, etc. Interested to see how the practical accuracy testing goes with the MK3 attached.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CFz13lZfyII was looking at that continous rail version, and besides the sight block issues, how does that bolt carrier handle work, the bolt carrier in the video doesn't have a handle. |
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Posted: 2/25/2023 9:50:42 AM EDT
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9H makes great & very informative videos. Thx OP, I’ll check it out later.
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Posted: 2/25/2023 12:10:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The AK is a good weapon. People’s underestimate how well it can compete with the AR. I attribute a lot of “the ak is inferior” to the GWOT. The bulk of exposure to the gun has been piss poor examples observed in the Middle East. Up until recently of course. I’ve said it for years, a rack grade m4 and a rack grade ak74 will perform on par with each other. |
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Posted: 2/25/2023 12:23:07 PM EDT
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Although I'm still holding out for the full PSA Zenitclone set, I've been strongly considering picking up a MK3 from Sureshot-USA for one of AKs in the stable, but goddamn they're expensive.
I seem to recall someone here posting a thread on their MK3 and commenting that it has "HK level girth", since it has to fit around the handguard retainer. Maybe someone can chime in on that. Unless Sureshot-USA/Bandito_Bill hooked them up, it looks like cousin Harry got his hands on the MK3 Slim version, which requires removing the HG retainer and is not yet available in the states. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 4:04:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was looking at that continous rail version, and besides the sight block issues, how does that bolt carrier handle work, the bolt carrier in the video doesn't have a handle. It has a Zenitco extended charging handle installed. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 9:16:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...it looks like...the MK3 Slim version, which...is not yet available in the states. Sureshot has mentioned on socialist media that they are shipping to the US through an intermediary. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:25:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It has a Zenitco extended charging handle installed. My mistake, I was referring to this version. https://youtu.be/AqaA1Sktaqs And now I see it has a non reciprocating, left side charging handle on it. Very interesting. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 7:37:39 PM EDT
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If ship times are accurate, ill have my grubby hands on a standard (not slim) MK3 in 4-6 weeks. Will follow up.
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Posted: 3/8/2023 10:10:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If ship times are accurate, ill have my grubby hands on a standard (not slim) MK3 in 4-6 weeks. Will follow up. From SAG USA or SAG? |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 10:29:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From SAG USA or SAG? SAG USA |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 10:02:10 PM EDT
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SAG USA is supposedly going to make the Mk3 Slim here in the states. I want the one with the continuous top rail that requires the RSB removed. That's the version I am waiting for.
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Posted: 3/10/2023 10:36:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SAG USA is supposedly going to make the Mk3 Slim here in the states. I want the one with the continuous top rail that requires the RSB removed. That's the version I am waiting for. Same. Not interested unless it's the continuous slim version. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 11:01:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The AK is a good weapon. People’s underestimate how well it can compete with the AR. I really think the poor quality of ammunition is the biggest reason people think they're inaccurate. I had a Saiga that did very good with a magnified optic and brass cased ammo back in the day. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 8:01:51 AM EDT
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yugo ammo and S African ammo was the best that ever came into the country. I still have a case of Yugo....I probably should open that someday. Nah.
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Posted: 3/24/2023 8:05:04 AM EDT
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I had Sureshot MK3 slim chassis on my rifle. I was waiting for the slim version, the standard one is just a bit too thick for me.
Best AK upgrade I have ever seen. Here is my review and a little bit of history behind this product. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/06/15/tfb-review-sureshot-armament-mk-3-0-chassis-system-for-ak-rifles/ Having said that, it is quite expensive. I got one for the review, and if I had to pay for it, I don't know if I would pay out of the pocket. |
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Posted: 3/25/2023 9:02:25 AM EDT
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BJO shows off his MK3 setup.
 My Gnarliest AK Setup Yet: PSA AK-103 |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 11:49:09 AM EDT
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Installed the MK3 on a PSA gen 3 104. Breeze to install and everything was going well until i slapped on the rear dust cover. This is where my troubles began.
There's a decent gap between it and the front rail/chassis (this is after bending in the "ears" on the ear trunion) and it just kinda wobbles. There's still a good finger nail or credit card worth of space between the ears/tabs on the trunion and the dust cover and they cant bend any further. The safety doesnt fully close even if I push the dust cover portion forward to where it should lock up. It will fully close if forced but it also pops the dust cover out of alignment with the rest of the rail. Lastly the zenitco charging handle i have does not leave enough clearance to cycle the bolt without binding up on the dust cover. Rewatching the BJO video I noticed all of these things minus the charging handle issue (hes using a TWS). There's a noticeable gap between the dust cover (his optic placement covers some of it) and front of the chassis, and at 9:16 you can see the safety doesn't fully close when he flips it up. This raises some questions..... As a sanity check I threw it on a PSA 105 and it fit better, however I just did a quick hand fit vs. bending the ears. No clearance issues with a TWS CH and it might lock up better if the ears are bent inward but I'm pretty skeptical. The safety still doesn't fully close. Ill get some pics up at some point. Going to work with Sureshot USA to see if we can get this fucker to fit right on the PSA 104. With a little "fitting" im sure the safety issue could be worked out. Not so sure about the dust cover. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 12:01:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a decent gap between it and the front rail/chassis (this is after bending in the "ears" on the ear trunion) and it just kinda wobbles. There's still a good finger nail or credit card worth of space between the ears/tabs on the trunion and the dust cover and they cant bend any further. Ill get some pics up at some point. Going to work with Sureshot USA to see if we can get this fucker to fit right on the PSA 104. With a little "fitting" im sure the safety issue could be worked out. Not so sure about the dust cover. I've seen this mentioned a few times. SAG is supposed to be working on some sort of "adustable" rear rail section. I assume this is going to be extra material that needs to be machined or filed to fit or maybe some sort of set screw arrangement that pushes off the ears of the rear trunnion for a snug fit. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 1:09:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen this mentioned a few times. SAG is supposed to be working on some sort of "adustable" rear rail section. I assume this is going to be extra material that needs to be machined or filed to fit or maybe some sort of set screw arrangement that pushes off the ears of the rear trunnion for a snug fit. An oversized file/grind to fit style solution, similar to what RS Regulate does with their handguard retainers, is exactly what this dust cover needs to be. Or maybe a version specific to PSA guns. If I have time next week I'm may test throwing this thing on an import 74. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 9:41:06 PM EDT
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I was under the impression the Sureshot chassis was meant for Saiga spec rifles. PSAs are Bulgarian spec.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:10:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was under the impression the Sureshot chassis was meant for Saiga spec rifles. PSAs are Bulgarian spec. For a time they explicitly stated the chassis does not fit PSAs. At some point the fix of slightly bending the trunnion ears forward was announced so I rolled the dice. Its entirely possible that it fits other PSA guns, just not this one. Unfortunately that's part of the game. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:34:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For a time they explicitly stated the chassis does not fit PSAs. At some point the fix of slightly bending the trunnion ears forward was announced so I rolled the dice. Its entirely possible that it fits other PSA guns, just not this one. Unfortunately that's part of the game. Sureshot USA I've seen state on their social media pages that they will fit on PSA AK102,103, and 105, but never seen them say anything about the PSA 104. Was always curious was to know why they never included the 104 in that, but this seems to confirm it. Not an AK Build expert, but wonder what they did different for their 104. |
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Posted: 5/16/2023 7:19:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sureshot USA I've seen state on their social media pages that they will fit on PSA AK102,103, and 105, but never seen them say anything about the PSA 104. Was always curious was to know why they never included the 104 in that, but this seems to confirm it. Not an AK Build expert, but wonder what they did different for their 104. ETA: I have a PSA 103 and a 104, and both can interchange the dust covers. |
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Posted: 5/16/2023 8:13:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: nothing should be different other than magazine well dimensions, maybe a couple other miniscule items. If the rear portion fits a 102, 103, and a 105, it should fit a 104 ETA: I have a PSA 103 and a 104, and both can interchange the dust covers. 100% agree, but SAG USA seems to know something we don't, because they always left out the PSA 104 in regards to compatibility with their chassis. Would be interested to see someone post a comparison of a KUSA 104, PSA 103/104, and 105 if they own em so maybe we can get to the bottom of this, or someone directly contact SAG and ask em. |
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Posted: 5/16/2023 8:55:34 AM EDT
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Tx-zen put together a post comparing PSA to KUSA already. I think he even included SAIGA in there too. The chassis didn't fit the KUSA either. We buggered with it for 3 hours or so trying to get it to fit.
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Posted: 5/16/2023 1:43:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tx-zen put together a post comparing PSA to KUSA already. I think he even included SAIGA in there too. The chassis didn't fit the KUSA either. We buggered with it for 3 hours or so trying to get it to fit. Crap, even a KUSA AK-103 clone? TX-zen, are you around to confirm this? I still haven’t sent mine off for modifications. |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 12:13:37 PM EDT
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SAG USA is offering 10% off for Memorial Day. Info is on the website.
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Posted: 5/31/2023 11:55:31 PM EDT
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I noticed the Sureshot USA website has a 5-slot and 6-slot length listed, but only pics I can find are the 5-slot on the USA site and 4-slot on the RUS site.
Edit: found the 6 slot version on their social media. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 1:51:02 AM EDT
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Update
Been in touch with support they've been super cool about the situation. They are supposed to be sending me a newer mount that allows slight front to rear adjustment of the main chassis/rail to accommodate the extra length of the PSA receiver. We shall see. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:35:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are supposed to be sending me a newer mount that allows slight front to rear adjustment of the main chassis/rail to accommodate the extra length of the PSA receiver. Nice. Post up some pics when you get it. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 6:45:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crap, even a KUSA AK-103 clone? TX-zen, are you around to confirm this? I still haven't sent mine off for modifications. Responded to your PM too |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 11:02:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: I am not super familiar with the SAG stuff but I think the MK3 Slim would be the one to get. SAG does show a version in the Russian catalog that's a continuous top rail. I wonder if it fits by removing the rear sight leaf or if the block needs the ears ground off, etc. Interested to see how the practical accuracy testing goes with the MK3 attached. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CFz13lZfyIWhat is the base gun in the video? |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:07:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the base gun in the video? Without watching again I want to say it is a Saiga 223. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 12:11:07 AM EDT
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I wish the slim handguard would come out already. Red Oktober is getting close.
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Posted: 6/18/2023 4:58:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice. Post up some pics when you get it. New mount on the left. The oval shaped holes allow front/rear adjustment of the main rail/chassis to make up for the space between it and the rear dust cover.  One potential caveat with PSA 100s, at least this PSA GF3 104, is that moving the main rail rearward causes it to come in contact with the the flat part of the gas tube retainer/lever when closed, which in turn pushes the rail back forward. The white mark on the gas tube retainer shows where it was butting against the rail. Had file down that area of the rail a bit for proper fit.  Observations so far: -The safety closes now and the dust cover fits so tight its requires some force to get it off. -Its light weight. PSA 105 with an ultimak is noticeably heavier. -Its durable. The handguard held up fine to me prying it off due to how it fits over PSAs oversized handguard retainer. -Its girthy. The handguard is roughly as thick as a wooden 870 forend. Not terrible, but I'd wager the slim version feels better in the hand. Initially I was pretty disappointed when it didn't fit after bending in the trunnion ears. Sureshot USA support was awesome and the owner chimed in to answer all of my stupid questions along with sending me the new mount (they now offer an AK-100 option in the drop down for KUSA and PSA 100 series guns) to try out free of charge and even offered to do the filing if I sent them the rail. With the new mount, bending the ears should no longer be necessary. Call me impressed.  |
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Posted: 6/18/2023 5:40:26 PM EDT
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Cool setup
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Posted: 6/18/2023 5:59:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New mount on the left. The oval shaped holes allow front/rear adjustment of the main rail/chassis to make up for the space between it and the rear dust cover. https://i.imgur.com/2sGhsIh.jpg One potential caveat with PSA 100s, at least this PSA GF3 104, is that moving the main rail rearward causes it to come in contact with the the flat part of the gas tube retainer/lever when closed, which in turn pushes the rail back forward. The white mark on the gas tube retainer shows where it was butting against the rail. Had file down that area of the rail a bit for proper fit. https://i.imgur.com/CH7QWZn.jpg Observations so far: -The safety closes now and the dust cover fits so tight its requires some force to get it off. -Its light weight. PSA 105 with an ultimak is noticeably heavier. -Its durable. The handguard held up fine to me prying it off due to how it fits over PSAs oversized handguard retainer. -Its girthy. The handguard is roughly as thick as a wooden 870 forend. Not terrible, but I'd wager the slim version feels better in the hand. Initially I was pretty disappointed when it didn't fit after bending in the trunnion ears. Sureshot USA support was awesome and the owner chimed in to answer all of my stupid questions along with sending me the new mount (they now offer an AK-100 option in the drop down for KUSA and PSA 100 series guns) to try out free of charge and even offered to do the filing if I sent them the rail. With the new mount, bending the ears should no longer be necessary. Call me impressed. https://i.imgur.com/psKf0Pr.jpg Thanks for the update. Don't quote me because I don't know for certain but the MK3 Slim will require the front handguard retainer to be removed. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 5:13:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the update. Don't quote me because I don't know for certain but the MK3 Slim will require the front handguard retainer to be removed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: New mount on the left. The oval shaped holes allow front/rear adjustment of the main rail/chassis to make up for the space between it and the rear dust cover. https://i.imgur.com/2sGhsIh.jpg One potential caveat with PSA 100s, at least this PSA GF3 104, is that moving the main rail rearward causes it to come in contact with the the flat part of the gas tube retainer/lever when closed, which in turn pushes the rail back forward. The white mark on the gas tube retainer shows where it was butting against the rail. Had file down that area of the rail a bit for proper fit. https://i.imgur.com/CH7QWZn.jpg Observations so far: -The safety closes now and the dust cover fits so tight its requires some force to get it off. -Its light weight. PSA 105 with an ultimak is noticeably heavier. -Its durable. The handguard held up fine to me prying it off due to how it fits over PSAs oversized handguard retainer. -Its girthy. The handguard is roughly as thick as a wooden 870 forend. Not terrible, but I'd wager the slim version feels better in the hand. Initially I was pretty disappointed when it didn't fit after bending in the trunnion ears. Sureshot USA support was awesome and the owner chimed in to answer all of my stupid questions along with sending me the new mount (they now offer an AK-100 option in the drop down for KUSA and PSA 100 series guns) to try out free of charge and even offered to do the filing if I sent them the rail. With the new mount, bending the ears should no longer be necessary. Call me impressed. https://i.imgur.com/psKf0Pr.jpg Thanks for the update. Don't quote me because I don't know for certain but the MK3 Slim will require the front handguard retainer to be removed. Yes that and the rear sight block. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 8:20:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes that and the rear sight block. It would seem there are a couple different versions of the Slim. One is open on top for the rear sight. Another has a continuous top rail. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 8:31:52 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes that and the rear sight block. The rear sight base or just the rear sight? |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 10:05:26 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info. I will have to see which mount they sent me last November. I still have not had it installed yet.
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Posted: 6/19/2023 10:14:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would seem there are a couple different versions of the Slim. One is open on top for the rear sight. Another has a continuous top rail. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes that and the rear sight block. It would seem there are a couple different versions of the Slim. One is open on top for the rear sight. Another has a continuous top rail. Sorry I was referring to the continuous top rail version. Quoted: Quoted: Yes that and the rear sight block. The rear sight base or just the rear sight? See above. You can leave the rear sight on for the one with the cutout. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 10:21:03 PM EDT
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Looks like you can order the main mount separately:
https://www.sureshot-usa.com/product-page/replacement-parts “Main Mount Mount A for AK-100 based firearms (Kalashnikov USA and Palmetto State Armory AK-10x) Mount B for Arsenal SLR, AK-74, AKM, Saiga” |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:34:46 PM EDT
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Update/continuation:
 AK102 / AK-Niner Mk3 to 500yds: Practical Accuracy | Sureshot SAG Chassis, ACSS Holosun |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 9:48:58 PM EDT
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What the hell made them put a OPS suppressor on the end of an AK-102 clone? Put a damn Sandman K, Surefire or the new OSS Flow 556k on it. Very weird.
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Posted: 7/24/2023 10:50:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What the hell made them put a OPS suppressor on the end of an AK-102 clone? Put a damn Sandman K, Surefire or the new OSS Flow 556k on it. Very weird. Not sure of the correct answer, but I can think of a few reasons. I haven't seen it without the suppressor, but I'm thinking it's pinned and welded to be over 16 inches and the OPS suppressor 'sleeve style' (not sure of the proper term) looks better than skinny barrel coming off of the FSGB and then suppressor hanging off of it. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:47:59 AM EDT
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Here's a look at the American non-slim version.
 The Sureshot AK Rail: Is It Good Enough For SHTF? |
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