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Posted: 1/21/2013 3:16:00 PM EDT
I'm sure most Utah members have seen or heard about the letter from the Utah Sheriffs Assn informing the President that they will not enforce new gun laws that run contrary to the Second Amendment.  On SLC Channel 2 News they just played a tape of SL County Jim Winders refusal to sign the letter.  I think this deserves a firemission so he knows how we feel about his support for the Second Amendment.  you can contact the Sheriff at:

http://www.facebook.com/SheriffJWinder

This is from the phone interview with Q2 News


Salt Lake County Sheriff Jim Winder said on Monday that he was not approached to sign the letter by the Utah Sheriffs Association. His office is not a member of the association; however, Winder said he would not have signed the letter anyway, because he does not agree with the motivation for it, adding that his position is not a question of support for the Constitution
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:36:46 PM EDT
[#1]
And the fools in SL elected this guy.

The valley is getting way too liberal, glad I left 30+ years ago.
Link Posted: 1/22/2013 7:02:58 AM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
Winder said he would not have signed the letter anyway, because he does not agree with the motivation for it, adding that his position is not a question of support for the Constitution


We will remember this.
Link Posted: 1/22/2013 10:38:53 AM EDT
[#3]
Every single other County Sheriff in UT felt the need to sign the letter and take a proactive stance.  Apparently Sheriff Winder does not believe in being proactive.......or maybe he agrees with the Anti 2nd Ammendment crowd.  I would have though his stance would have been pro or con.  But this is wishy washy crap.

I was surprised at the wording of the letter to the Pres.  Especailly the last paragraph in which they state they will give their lives for the 2nd Ammendment.   I have a  higher regard for our County Sheriffs after this letter.
Link Posted: 1/22/2013 3:12:11 PM EDT
[#4]
Does he have an email that we can reach out to him to express our dissatisfaction with him?  Sounds pretty shitty of him to say that.
Link Posted: 1/22/2013 3:24:31 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Does he have an email that we can reach out to him to express our dissatisfaction with him?  


+1

AND


Sounds pretty shitty of him to say that.


+1
Link Posted: 1/22/2013 8:49:52 PM EDT
[#6]
Winder does not stand with us. Typical democrat. He needs to be voted out. I for one will work against him.

Recently the Utah Sheriff’s Association prepared a preemptive message to President Obama stating their position on the current debate and presidential proposals concerning gun laws in the United States. The Salt Lake County Sheriff’s Office is not currently a member of the Utah Sheriff’s Association and therefore, was not a signatory of the letter. This has raised a lot of questions from the citizens of Salt Lake County as to why I did not sign the letter and asking what my position is in regards to the issue. This is a statement of the Sheriff's Office and the Unified Police Departments (UPD) position on this very complex and important issue:

While not a member of the Utah Sheriff’s Association, Sheriff Winder supports the majority of the intent of the letter. However, after a review of the proposals suggested by the Obama Administration, we agree with the association president that currently there is nothing proposed that we object to and we can find no reason to believe that there would ever be a situation where federal officers would be permitted to descend upon our constituents and take from them their rights. We are confident in the process that Congress and the courts will continue to protect our rights as established.

Sheriff Winder, the members of the Sheriff's Office and UPD fully support, obey and defend the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the State of Utah. We are a country of laws and order, guided by long established government processes that are meant to ensure and protect our freedoms, including the right to bear arms. We have taken an oath to obey those laws and will do so. The constitutionality of all laws is determined by independent evaluation and scrutiny by the judicial branch of government. Once that has been done and a law has been determined to be constitutional, every law enforcement officer has the duty to enforce it. The determination of whether or not a law is constitutional is not left up to any one person or group or collective group. If it were we would cease being a nation of freedoms.

Sheriff James M. Winder, the Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office and Unified Police Department fully supports the Second Amendment as established by the Constitution as well as every other Amendment provided by it and will defend those rights of the citizens of Salt Lake County.
Link Posted: 1/23/2013 8:52:28 PM EDT
[#7]



Quoted:


Winder does not stand with us. Typical democrat. He needs to be voted out. I for one will work against him.




Recently the Utah Sheriff’s Association prepared a preemptive message to President Obama stating their position on the current debate and presidential proposals concerning gun laws in the United States. The Salt Lake County Sheriff’s Office is not currently a member of the Utah Sheriff’s Association and therefore, was not a signatory of the letter. This has raised a lot of questions from the citizens of Salt Lake County as to why I did not sign the letter and asking what my position is in regards to the issue. This is a statement of the Sheriff's Office and the Unified Police Departments (UPD) position on this very complex and important issue:



While not a member of the Utah Sheriff’s Association, Sheriff Winder supports the majority of the intent of the letter. However, after a review of the proposals suggested by the Obama Administration, we agree with the association president that currently there is nothing proposed that we object to and we can find no reason to believe that there would ever be a situation where federal officers would be permitted to descend upon our constituents and take from them their rights. We are confident in the process that Congress and the courts will continue to protect our rights as established.



Sheriff Winder, the members of the Sheriff's Office and UPD fully support, obey and defend the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the State of Utah. We are a country of laws and order, guided by long established government processes that are meant to ensure and protect our freedoms, including the right to bear arms. We have taken an oath to obey those laws and will do so. The constitutionality of all laws is determined by independent evaluation and scrutiny by the judicial branch of government. Once that has been done and a law has been determined to be constitutional, every law enforcement officer has the duty to enforce it. The determination of whether or not a law is constitutional is not left up to any one person or group or collective group. If it were we would cease being a nation of freedoms.



Sheriff James M. Winder, the Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office and Unified Police Department fully supports the Second Amendment as established by the Constitution as well as every other Amendment provided by it and will defend those rights of the citizens of Salt Lake County.


+1.  Who can we support to run against him.  btw, didn't the other guy get busted for using the company car for personal reasons or something like that?



 
Link Posted: 1/23/2013 9:48:32 PM EDT
[#8]
This popped up on my Facebook:

Link Posted: 1/24/2013 4:47:22 AM EDT
[#9]
Could I safely assume you could add ralph becker to your list?

Has he made any gun related statements?
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 6:00:29 PM EDT
[#10]
Sheriff Cordova in Carbon county UT didn't sign either.



There is a front page article in the Sun Advocate where he says, "I would not take that heavy of a stand."




Link Posted: 1/29/2013 12:18:59 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Winder does not stand with us. Typical democrat. He needs to be voted out. I for one will work against him.

Recently the Utah Sheriff’s Association prepared a preemptive message to President Obama stating their position on the current debate and presidential proposals concerning gun laws in the United States. The Salt Lake County Sheriff’s Office is not currently a member of the Utah Sheriff’s Association and therefore, was not a signatory of the letter. This has raised a lot of questions from the citizens of Salt Lake County as to why I did not sign the letter and asking what my position is in regards to the issue. This is a statement of the Sheriff's Office and the Unified Police Departments (UPD) position on this very complex and important issue:

While not a member of the Utah Sheriff’s Association, Sheriff Winder supports the majority of the intent of the letter. However, after a review of the proposals suggested by the Obama Administration, we agree with the association president that currently there is nothing proposed that we object to and we can find no reason to believe that there would ever be a situation where federal officers would be permitted to descend upon our constituents and take from them their rights. We are confident in the process that Congress and the courts will continue to protect our rights as established.

Sheriff Winder, the members of the Sheriff's Office and UPD fully support, obey and defend the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the State of Utah. We are a country of laws and order, guided by long established government processes that are meant to ensure and protect our freedoms, including the right to bear arms. We have taken an oath to obey those laws and will do so. The constitutionality of all laws is determined by independent evaluation and scrutiny by the judicial branch of government. Once that has been done and a law has been determined to be constitutional, every law enforcement officer has the duty to enforce it. The determination of whether or not a law is constitutional is not left up to any one person or group or collective group. If it were we would cease being a nation of freedoms.

Sheriff James M. Winder, the Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office and Unified Police Department fully supports the Second Amendment as established by the Constitution as well as every other Amendment provided by it and will defend those rights of the citizens of Salt Lake County.

+1.  Who can we support to run against him.  btw, didn't the other guy get busted for using the company car for personal reasons or something like that?
 


Yeah, Beau Babka. Popped for using a department card to buy gas for a personal vehicle and had his POST certification pulled for 4 years. Story from Deseret News
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