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Posted: 10/30/2009 8:18:18 PM EDT
I'm very interested in getting a 308 Garand as I have a fair amount of 7.62 Nato spec ammo on hand. I had one made by a well known vendor but I could never get it to run right so I ended up sending it back. I noted that Fulton Armory is having a sale on them and thought I would ask the group: Does anyone have a FA 308 Garand and what do you think of it?

Thanks
Link Posted: 10/30/2009 9:46:41 PM EDT
[#1]
While I don't own a Fulton Arms rifle I can say that they back up their products fairly well having dealt with them involving issues with a couple of their products.

I own an M1 .308 rifle that I built and can offer some advice.
1. You will need a larger than normal for .30/06 gas port, Not going to say exactly what size because every rifle seems to vary a little bit, start a few thousands oversize and work up until you find a range where the rifle runs.
If you use a Douglas barrel, the port runs small from the manufacturer and needs to be tuned.
2. I use a Wolf extra power operating spring in my rifle, it does not harm function and ended a recurring early clip release problem I was having with the rifle.
3. If you choose to use a magazine filler block to prevent someone from loading a clip of .30/06 cartridges in the rifle, choose an aluminum or steel filler block.
Do not use a plastic type filler block from any manufacturer, they cause problems with feeding by binding the magazine up and preventing proper feed of the cartridges into the chamber.
4. Don't go minimum on the headspace, I like 1.633"

I learned these tips the hard way.
I have used them on rifles I have rebarrelled for customers and those guns ran like champs from the get-go.HTH
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 5:15:03 AM EDT
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Quoted:
1. You will need a larger than normal for .30/06 gas port, Not going to say exactly what size because every rifle seems to vary a little bit, start a few thousands oversize and work up until you find a range where the rifle runs.


It is no secret. It has been said many times .096 is the minimal gas port drill size.



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Link Posted: 10/31/2009 12:31:22 PM EDT
[#3]




Quoted:

I'm very interested in getting a 308 Garand as I have a fair amount of 7.62 Nato spec ammo on hand. I had one made by a well known vendor but I could never get it to run right so I ended up sending it back. I noted that Fulton Armory is having a sale on them and thought I would ask the group: Does anyone have a FA 308 Garand and what do you think of it?



Thanks




I have a Fulton Armory 308 Garand and it is by far my favorite gun I own. I have put maybe 800 rounds through it and have never had a single malfunction of any kind and on top of that its a tack driver. It did take them almost a year to build and ship me my rifle but it was so worth the wait. If you have the cash I say go for it you will not be disappointed at all.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 1:37:18 PM EDT
[#4]
I have a full-size Garand in 7.62 built by a former Army Match Armorer (and I believe he also worked at Fulton), and I love it.  He knows how to make them work, and is very reasonable.

Like you, I have a large quantity of 7.62 ammo (for my DSA StG58C and Steyr SSG 69), so I wanted the Garand in this caliber.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 5:36:56 PM EDT
[#5]
If a 308 Garand doesn't run the usual suspect is an undersized gas port. My Douglas barrel 308 Garand works fine. Had it installed by Champions Choice for a very reasonable price.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 6:29:05 PM EDT
[#6]
Any good Garand Armorer/smith can do a .308 conversion.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 6:36:51 PM EDT
[#7]
I have a .308 M1 Garand and it runs perfectly with American ammo. With steel cased ammo it binds up a little bit because I suspect it's under pressured.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 7:14:42 PM EDT
[#8]
I currently have a .30-06 Garand but would love one in .308. I don't really want to have mine converted, I mean it is a very good condition SA from April 1944. So waiting until I come across a .308 version.

And you guys all fail, nobody has posted pictures yet! Is this not ARFCOM? At least tease us with some pics of these beauty's.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 7:35:58 PM EDT
[#9]
Okay, if you insist....

Link Posted: 10/31/2009 8:27:51 PM EDT
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Mine is built to National Match standards. Amazingly accurate rifle.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 7:54:40 AM EDT
[#11]
Put together by Warbird from a HRA racker and a .308 barrel. I finished the Wenig stock set myself with many, many coats of BLO. Even with a new gas cylinder and op-rod I had to open my gas port to .1065 to get it to function properly. I eventually added a Fulton Armory metal spacer and a Schuster adjustable gas nut to get things totally reliable. It shoots about 3moa with SA surplus, and a bit better with Port surplus. Someday I will try some 168gr ammo and see what happens. One of my favorite Garands.

"Taken from U.S. govt M1 Garand blueprints.

Gas Port for 30-06 M1 Garand - 0.0790" dia + 0.0015" - this equates to between a #46 and #47 drill bit.

Gas Port for 7.62X51 MM Army M1 Garand - 0.1050" dia + 0.0015" - this equates to between a #36 and #37 drill bit.

Gas Port for 7.62X51 MM Navy M1 Garand - 0.1065" dia + 0.0015" - this equates to a #36 drill bit."






Link Posted: 11/1/2009 8:53:47 AM EDT
[#12]
My Douglas came with an approximate .0790" gas port and would not even begin to cycle the bolt.
I got reliable functioning at.0935" and left it alone to allow for port wear.

I know a lot of .308 Garand "Experts" say that you need a .0960" or even larger port, I don't agree, use the smallest diameter that allows reliable function.
Link Posted: 11/12/2009 3:21:51 PM EDT
[#13]
Being a garand shooter in the olden days on Navy Shooting Teams.......I can say with the greatest of confidence......."THAT IS ONE FINE LOOKING WEAPON" that you have there.......enjoy it and keep her clean.
Link Posted: 11/12/2009 5:29:40 PM EDT
[#14]
From some old posts........

M1 Garand 7.62x 51 Gas Port Hole Size

I need some help with My Garand chambered in 7.62x51.
The case will not eject at all.
I have been told that the gas port needs to be opened up.
It is .093 diameter now does anyone know what size it should be ?



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.094" is for 308... at least that is what a Citadel barrel is that I have as well as my Kreiger barrel on my Match 308 Garand..


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1. Who manufactured the barrel?
2. Is headspace correct and chamber well polished?
3. Precisely what ammo are you using?
4. Has piston been examined and measured or gauged?
5. Has gas cylinder been examined and gauged?
6. Is the gas cylinder a snug fit on the barrel to minimize gas blowby?
7. Is op rod spring a recent good quality replacement?
8. Is the cam inside the op rod handle burred or deformed?
9. Is the rifle properly lubed with good grease?
Do not enlarge gas port until/unless all other remedies fail.
As I have often stated, if it is difficult to extract an unfired cartridge it is a strong indication that the ammo is too long for the chamber. That can be caused by a chamber that is not fully reamed to establish correct headspace; or it can be caused by using foreign military surplus ammo––much of which is too long for U.S. chambers.
Most functioning problems with an M1 can have various causes or combinations of causes. There is no good substitute for having the rifle in hand to thoroughly examine and test; but often, with sufficient information, corrective measures can be recommended by communications alone. When only minimal information is provided by the one seeking assistance only guesses can be provided.
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Tip: Barrel Gas Port for .308 M1 Garand
From: Gus Fisher
EMAIL:
Date: 18 May 1999
Time: 11:07:33
Comments
Most of the standard replacement .308 barrels seem to have a gas port hole size around .080", which is correct for .30-06, but NOT for .308.
The issue 7.62mm barrel had a gas port size of .106." This hole size is actually larger than required. I find the Number Drill bit that will give you a .096" hole is plenty. Some people like .100", but I've never found that to be required as long as the ammo falls in spec with military ball or Federal American Eagle or Premium Ammo.
I spend a LOT of time aligning the hole in the drill press to ensure the larger sized drill bit will go down through the center of the hole. It helps that the path of least resistance for the larger drill bit will pretty much keep it centered when you drill it. Any metal burrs, that result from the drilling, get smoothed out after 10 to 20 rounds.
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If the gas port is the correct size, then check the gas piston and the gas cylinder for wear. The gas piston should be approx. .526" in diameter, and the interior of the gas cylinder should be approx. .532". A cheap gauge to check the gas cylinder is a belted magnum case. The diameter of a belted magnum rim is .532". A piston too small, or a gas cylinder too large will allow too much gas to escape and cause short stroking.

By Sailorman2 (M14tfl.com)
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Aloha, Mark


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