Are there any hand grenades on the NFA registry?

Could you register and make a Molotov Cocktail? I had an idea about making a metal band to hold the registration number and the ignition device, it would be like a clamp to go around the top of the bottle.

It would be fun to burn out junk cars with. You could recover the band and reload it.

Ha.  I guess first you would need to figure out which part of a molotov cocktail is the "receiver."  

FORM 1
"Additional description: Miller High Life, The Champagne of Beers"

The quick answer, yes.  Falls underneath destructive devices.  If people can manufacture their own 40mm grenades, then I'm sure a Molotov is possible if approved.  And before you laugh, I've seen an ad for a transferable 60mm mortar with rounds before.

molotov cocktails would not be NFA items by their definition I don't think.   YMMV.

Alcohol is not an explosive item.

However, if you plan to shoot such items out of a launcher, it depends.   What does it depend on?  Well, read the ATF's definition of "explosive material".   The rule is 1/4 of an ounce of explosive material.   You go figure what that means.  IF your thinking of shooting a molotov cocktail from a 40mm grenade launcher, I don't have a good answer.  It would a very fine line I"m sure.  I would venture to guess, no.  

Now on a practical standpoint, shooting a molokov cocktail through any launcher would be stupid but that's just based on a guess, not practical experienece.  I don't think alcohol is considered high explosive.  I do think you are asking for hospital visits if you try it.  

Quoted: molotov cocktails would not be NFA items by their definition I don't think.   YMMV. Alcohol is not an explosive item. However, if you plan to shoot such items out of a launcher, it depends.   What does it depend on?  Well, read the ATF's definition of "explosive material".   The rule is 1/4 of an ounce of explosive material.   You go figure what that means.  IF your thinking of shooting a molotov cocktail from a 40mm grenade launcher, I don't have a good answer.  It would a very fine line I"m sure.  I would venture to guess, no.   Now on a practical standpoint, shooting a molokov cocktail through any launcher would be stupid but that's just based on a guess, not practical experienece.  I don't think alcohol is considered high explosive.  I do think you are asking for hospital visits if you try it.

Molotov cocktails are indeed destructive devices.  While they are not large bore, they are probably considered explosive and and definitely indendiary.

26 U.S.C. sec. 5845(f) "The term destructive device
   means
   1) any explosive, incendiary or poison gas
       A) bomb
       B) grenade
       C) rocket having propellant charge of more than four
   ounces
       D) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of
   more than one-quarter ounce
       E) mine, or
       F) similar device

ATF would call it a bomb, grenade, or "similar device."

Incidentally, if you were to apply on a Form 1 to make one from scratch, you're the original manufacturer and your name, city, and state would go in the manufacturer area.  The additional info and supplying a design spec sheet would be amusing.  I suspect an engraving variance would be necessary, too.  

Speaking to ffsparky26's questions:

1.  Small Arms Review once wrote that there ARE at least a few live hand grenades on the registry.  (However, they're gone once used.  There's a new $200 tax for each grenade.)

2.  You could register a molotov cocktail, as they are DDs.  I also suspect that an engraving variance would be required due to the issues with engraving a glass bottle.  As to your metal band idea, I like it but I don't think ATF would be so enthused.  

3.  (More for the grenades)  I suspect ATF would require you to have some type of explosives license and a storage magazine.  I also suspect that there'd be a slew of local, county, city, and state rules and regs to put up with too.

All that said, now I really want a rifle with blanks and some grenades.  

Mike

It can and has been done, at least in the case of the hand grenade.  The BIG problem is with the stringent storage and transportation requirements for such items.

Quoted: It can and has been done, at least in the case of the hand grenade.  The BIG problem is with the stringent storage and transportation requirements for such items.

Another problem is what happens when you throw your registered hand grenade and it doesn't go off. I am sure it would take a lot of cash to call in an EOD contractor to dispose of it.

Isn't that what your Barrett is for?  Oh, wait.. according to the anti's, they're only good shooting down GPS satellites and invading Martians.

Quoted: Isn't that what your Barrett is for?  Oh, wait.. according to the anti's, they're only good shooting down GPS satellites and invading Martians.

Now why didn't I think of that.

just as long as you don't do this

I figured the HE would have storage requirements.

I may try to register and whip up my molotov band.

It would be cool as shit.

edited to add.

It would be cool if a company could have grenades avaliable for use at a place like knob creek.

I would pay $400 bucks to throw one.

Quoted: It can and has been done, at least in the case of the hand grenade.  The BIG problem is with the stringent storage and transportation requirements for such items.

Are there any ordanance manufacturers that will sell the devices to the public?

Quoted: Quoted: It can and has been done, at least in the case of the hand grenade.  The BIG problem is with the stringent storage and transportation requirements for such items. Are there any ordanance manufacturers that will sell the devices to the public?

Destructive devices in general?  Yes.

Explosives and incendiaries?  I'm all but 100% positive not.  Imagine the legal liability for that manufacturer!  A rare few civilian sales wouldn't be worth the risks and legal hassles.

Mike

You can vacation in places like cambodia, and pay about $30 to throw a grenade.  There's more than a few videos floating around the interweb of tourists throwing grenades, sometimes poorly.  Might be cheaper, and you'll get to see a little more of our world.

In that line of thinking, could you make say 5x 40mm thermite grenades and register the shell casing with a serno and mfg info and such and then repair them after they are fired?  Similarly, could you register a thermite handgrenade and simply put the serno and mfg info on a permenant tag attached to the pin and similarly rebuild it after every use?

Edited for spelling to reflect an incindiary device instead of a small wood-consuming insect.

The short answer is no, ATF isn't going to let you get out of a $200 tax, per item, with some creative registration scheme.

tag for the vid

Quoted: You can vacation in places like cambodia, and pay about $30 to throw a grenade.  There's more than a few videos floating around the interweb of tourists throwing grenades, sometimes poorly.  Might be cheaper, and you'll get to see a little more of our world.

Hell you can get paid to do it here in the US

Quoted: The short answer is no, ATF isn't going to let you get out of a $200 tax, per item, with some creative registration scheme.

The fuze/ignition assembly is what makes it a DD, without that its just a bottle full of gasolene/disel fuel.

Quoted: Quoted: You can vacation in places like cambodia, and pay about $30 to throw a grenade.  There's more than a few videos floating around the interweb of tourists throwing grenades, sometimes poorly.  Might be cheaper, and you'll get to see a little more of our world. Hell you can get paid to do it here in the US

You can get paid to shoot guns too, but I still own my own.