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Posted: 7/5/2011 8:57:57 AM EDT

In this econemy, kinda pissed at companies like springfield selling brazilian guns and taughting them selves as "Americas oldest arms maker".

I checked web sites, Ruger makes it clear theirs is american, remington does not. Does anybody know for sure?

Posted: 7/5/2011 9:49:17 AM EDT

[#1]

From their website:

Frequently Asked Questions

Where is the 1911 R1 made?

These guns are built in our manufacturing facility in Ilion, NY.

Posted: 7/5/2011 10:14:08 AM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:

From their website:

Frequently Asked Questions

Where is the 1911 R1 made?

These guns are built in our manufacturing facility in Ilion, NY.

Built means assembled. Doesn't say where the parts are from.

Posted: 7/5/2011 10:49:16 AM EDT

[#3]

I just picked up one this morning. Marked Ilion NY and actually made by E-RPC which from what I have read is Remington or is part of Remington.
Overall pistol is very nice. I wasn't sure if it would as pic. just don't tell the real story.
And in this case I am much more impressed with the looks of the gun than the pics. I have seen.
Mine is a TALO edition so it has the Rosewood grips which Ido look much better in person.
It does come with the 8 rnd mags vs. the 7 rnd for the standard R1.
That is about all I can say right now till I get to shoot it.

Posted: 7/5/2011 11:40:59 AM EDT

[#4]

I can't speak for any version but the standard R1- skip it. It was not worth the money. Machining marks, sight dovetails ARE NOT Novak, no matter how much Remington says they are. Fit isn't as nice as my Springfield that I paid 100 dollars less for. The R1 also would not accept ANY aftermarket parts without extensive fitting. I know there are no true drop in parts on a 1911, but parts that fit my 6 other 1911s (from three different manufacturers) would not even come close to fitting the R1. Multiple calls and emails to Remington customer service about the various problems resulted in nothing but frustration and being told that I am wrong and all aftermarket parts were out of spec. My favorite was when I requested that I will pay both way to send them my R1 and multiple sets of novak sights so they can verify what I was saying. I was told "Our 1911R1 is Novak cut. The sights you have aren't cut properly or are out of spec. We will not verify this problem and are closing out your complaint."

I will never buy another Remington firearm because of the shitty quality weapon and even worse customer service.

Posted: 7/5/2011 3:43:46 PM EDT

[#5]

I hope to GOD you don't drive a GM, Ford Chrysler or Toyota vehicle. None of those are American made.

Get over the "American made" sticker and realize the reason the gun is $700 and not $1200 is because it's not 100% American hands touching it.

Posted: 7/5/2011 4:08:42 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
From their website:

Frequently Asked Questions

Where is the 1911 R1 made?

These guns are built in our manufacturing facility in Ilion, NY.

Built means assembled. Doesn't say where the parts are from.

You won't be able to confirm that 100% with any manufacturer, even if they say that everything is made in the U.S.

Posted: 7/5/2011 4:36:00 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
From their website:

Frequently Asked Questions

Where is the 1911 R1 made?

These guns are built in our manufacturing facility in Ilion, NY.

Built means assembled. Doesn't say where the parts are from.

You won't be able to confirm that 100% with any manufacturer, even if they say that everything is made in the U.S.

This

Posted: 7/5/2011 6:39:16 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
From their website:

Frequently Asked Questions

Where is the 1911 R1 made?

These guns are built in our manufacturing facility in Ilion, NY.

Built means assembled. Doesn't say where the parts are from.

You won't be able to confirm that 100% with any manufacturer, even if they say that everything is made in the U.S.

How about Colt?

Posted: 7/5/2011 6:56:52 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
From their website:

Frequently Asked Questions

Where is the 1911 R1 made?

These guns are built in our manufacturing facility in Ilion, NY.

Built means assembled. Doesn't say where the parts are from.

You won't be able to confirm that 100% with any manufacturer, even if they say that everything is made in the U.S.

How about Colt?

I'm not saying that they aren't, but do you know for sure that every little spring is made in the U.S.? If so, how? By their word?

Posted: 7/6/2011 4:57:45 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
I can't speak for any version but the standard R1- skip it. It was not worth the money. Machining marks, sight dovetails ARE NOT Novak, no matter how much Remington says they are. Fit isn't as nice as my Springfield that I paid 100 dollars less for. The R1 also would not accept ANY aftermarket parts without extensive fitting. I know there are no true drop in parts on a 1911, but parts that fit my 6 other 1911s (from three different manufacturers) would not even come close to fitting the R1. Multiple calls and emails to Remington customer service about the various problems resulted in nothing but frustration and being told that I am wrong and all aftermarket parts were out of spec. My favorite was when I requested that I will pay both way to send them my R1 and multiple sets of novak sights so they can verify what I was saying. I was told "Our 1911R1 is Novak cut. The sights you have aren't cut properly or are out of spec. We will not verify this problem and are closing out your complaint."

I will never buy another Remington firearm because of the shitty quality weapon and even worse customer service.

Unless you have the Enhanced version, there's no way anyone could - with a straight face - say those sight cuts are Novaks. Maybe the front, but not the rear, not anywhere close.

Posted: 7/6/2011 5:12:47 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
I can't speak for any version but the standard R1- skip it. It was not worth the money. Machining marks, sight dovetails ARE NOT Novak, no matter how much Remington says they are. Fit isn't as nice as my Springfield that I paid 100 dollars less for. The R1 also would not accept ANY aftermarket parts without extensive fitting. I know there are no true drop in parts on a 1911, but parts that fit my 6 other 1911s (from three different manufacturers) would not even come close to fitting the R1. Multiple calls and emails to Remington customer service about the various problems resulted in nothing but frustration and being told that I am wrong and all aftermarket parts were out of spec. My favorite was when I requested that I will pay both way to send them my R1 and multiple sets of novak sights so they can verify what I was saying. I was told "Our 1911R1 is Novak cut. The sights you have aren't cut properly or are out of spec. We will not verify this problem and are closing out your complaint."

I will never buy another Remington firearm because of the shitty quality weapon and even worse customer service.

You must have gotten a real lemon. I changed out all the internal parts on mine with NO issues. I have read their customer service is actually pretty good, so you must have really rubbed them the wrong way.

Posted: 7/6/2011 5:38:10 AM EDT

[#12]

The frames are 100% made in Ilion.
The slides are machined in Ilion
Barrels are piloted & rifled in Ilion.
Most of the "small parts" come from vendors like Wilson.
Everything is assembled, finished, and test fired (full magazine) at the Remington Arms Factory in Ilion, NY
Been there, seen it done, have the T-shirt and the Pistol.

Posted: 7/6/2011 6:54:28 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
The frames are 100% made in Ilion.
The slides are machined in Ilion
Barrels are piloted & rifled in Ilion.
Most of the "small parts" come from vendors like Wilson.
Everything is assembled, finished, and test fired (full magazine) at the Remington Arms Factory in Ilion, NY
Been there, seen it done, have the T-shirt and the Pistol.

But, but....did the metal that the parts were machined from come from the U.S.?

I don't doubt that someone would ask a question like that.

You must be pretty cool to get a factory tour.

Posted: 7/6/2011 8:18:03 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The frames are 100% made in Ilion.
The slides are machined in Ilion
Barrels are piloted & rifled in Ilion.
Most of the "small parts" come from vendors like Wilson.
Everything is assembled, finished, and test fired (full magazine) at the Remington Arms Factory in Ilion, NY
Been there, seen it done, have the T-shirt and the Pistol.

But, but....did the metal that the parts were machined from come from the U.S.?

I don't doubt that someone would ask a question like that.

You must be pretty cool to get a factory tour.

The metal comes from recycled, rusted out Toyota's (the roads are heavily salted up here)

I've got friends in low places.

Posted: 7/6/2011 8:37:21 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
I can't speak for any version but the standard R1- skip it. It was not worth the money. Machining marks, sight dovetails ARE NOT Novak, no matter how much Remington says they are. Fit isn't as nice as my Springfield that I paid 100 dollars less for. The R1 also would not accept ANY aftermarket parts without extensive fitting. I know there are no true drop in parts on a 1911, but parts that fit my 6 other 1911s (from three different manufacturers) would not even come close to fitting the R1. Multiple calls and emails to Remington customer service about the various problems resulted in nothing but frustration and being told that I am wrong and all aftermarket parts were out of spec. My favorite was when I requested that I will pay both way to send them my R1 and multiple sets of novak sights so they can verify what I was saying. I was told "Our 1911R1 is Novak cut. The sights you have aren't cut properly or are out of spec. We will not verify this problem and are closing out your complaint."

I will never buy another Remington firearm because of the shitty quality weapon and even worse customer service.

Cerberus sucks....

Posted: 7/7/2011 5:37:05 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
I hope to GOD you don't drive a GM, Ford Chrysler or Toyota vehicle. None of those are American made.

Get over the "American made" sticker and realize the reason the gun is $700 and not $1200 is because it's not 100% American hands touching it.

Funny thing is, there's more "domestics" being made in places like Mexico and Canada............while many "imports" are being made in the US by American laborers. Go figure.

Posted: 7/7/2011 10:34:12 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I hope to GOD you don't drive a GM, Ford Chrysler or Toyota vehicle. None of those are American made.

Get over the "American made" sticker and realize the reason the gun is $700 and not $1200 is because it's not 100% American hands touching it.

Funny thing is, there's more "domestics" being made in places like Mexico and Canada............while many "imports" are being made in the US by American laborers. Go figure.

UAW

Posted: 7/7/2011 11:17:28 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
The frames are 100% made in Ilion.
The slides are machined in Ilion
Barrels are piloted & rifled in Ilion.
Most of the "small parts" come from vendors like Wilson.
Everything is assembled, finished, and test fired (full magazine) at the Remington Arms Factory in Ilion, NY
Been there, seen it done, have the T-shirt and the Pistol.

Wilson Combat does not even make their own small parts.......I talked to a CS guy there and said there are made to "their" specifications.............

Posted: 7/7/2011 12:17:11 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The frames are 100% made in Ilion.
The slides are machined in Ilion
Barrels are piloted & rifled in Ilion.
Most of the "small parts" come from vendors like Wilson.
Everything is assembled, finished, and test fired (full magazine) at the Remington Arms Factory in Ilion, NY
Been there, seen it done, have the T-shirt and the Pistol.

Wilson Combat does not even make their own small parts.......I talked to a CS guy there and said there are made to "their" specifications.............

So what does that say about expecting to find a pistol whose parts were all made in the U.S.?

Posted: 7/7/2011 12:52:37 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The frames are 100% made in Ilion.
The slides are machined in Ilion
Barrels are piloted & rifled in Ilion.
Most of the "small parts" come from vendors like Wilson.
Everything is assembled, finished, and test fired (full magazine) at the Remington Arms Factory in Ilion, NY
Been there, seen it done, have the T-shirt and the Pistol.

Wilson Combat does not even make their own small parts.......I talked to a CS guy there and said there are made to "their" specifications.............

So what does that say about expecting to find a pistol whose parts were all made in the U.S.?

It says to buy a USGI pistol in good shape?

Posted: 7/7/2011 1:13:41 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The frames are 100% made in Ilion.
The slides are machined in Ilion
Barrels are piloted & rifled in Ilion.
Most of the "small parts" come from vendors like Wilson.
Everything is assembled, finished, and test fired (full magazine) at the Remington Arms Factory in Ilion, NY
Been there, seen it done, have the T-shirt and the Pistol.

Wilson Combat does not even make their own small parts.......I talked to a CS guy there and said there are made to "their" specifications.............

So what does that say about expecting to find a pistol whose parts were all made in the U.S.?

It says to buy a USGI pistol in good shape?

....*new production pistol whose parts were all made in the U.S.?

Posted: 7/7/2011 1:47:58 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
I can't speak for any version but the standard R1- skip it. It was not worth the money. Machining marks, sight dovetails ARE NOT Novak, no matter how much Remington says they are. Fit isn't as nice as my Springfield that I paid 100 dollars less for. The R1 also would not accept ANY aftermarket parts without extensive fitting. I know there are no true drop in parts on a 1911, but parts that fit my 6 other 1911s (from three different manufacturers) would not even come close to fitting the R1. Multiple calls and emails to Remington customer service about the various problems resulted in nothing but frustration and being told that I am wrong and all aftermarket parts were out of spec. My favorite was when I requested that I will pay both way to send them my R1 and multiple sets of novak sights so they can verify what I was saying. I was told "Our 1911R1 is Novak cut. The sights you have aren't cut properly or are out of spec. We will not verify this problem and are closing out your complaint."

I will never buy another Remington firearm because of the shitty quality weapon and even worse customer service.

I echo your experience. I would buy a Kimber over Remington...... and I despise Kimber. I don't care anymore if something is not 100% made in America. I want the highest quality product at the best priced value. For me, that's Springfield, "NM" serial number prefixed pistols. I've had such good experience with them........ horrible experiences with some other brands. I want the pistol that is going to run with the fewest problems and the best customer service to back it up if I do run into problems.

Posted: 7/7/2011 6:39:11 PM EDT

[#23]

I believe the new Ruger 1911 is touted to be 100% American MADE, not just assembled. Since they have their own casting company I can see that, but again, no real way to be sure unless you work for the company.

Posted: 7/7/2011 6:55:49 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
In this econemy, kinda pissed at companies like springfield selling brazilian guns and taughting them selves as "Americas oldest arms maker".

I checked web sites, Ruger makes it clear theirs is american, remington does not. Does anybody know for sure?

No manufacturer is going to reveal to anyone the whole list of vendors they use for their products...FP1201 has answered your question to the best of his ability....The overwhelming majority of the parts, steel , wood, and DNA left on the pistol after it's fired were born and bred in the US of A by American workers in ILION NY.

That being said, I WOULD TAKE A REMINGTON OVER A RUGER ANY DAY! Don't forget boys and girls... BILL RUGER SUPPORTED THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN and REFUSED to sell 0-30 round mags to mere mortal CIVILIANS!

May he rot in hell! I WILL NEVER buy another new Ruger product as long as I LIVE

Posted: 7/7/2011 7:08:07 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
In this econemy, kinda pissed at companies like springfield selling brazilian guns and taughting them selves as "Americas oldest arms maker".

I checked web sites, Ruger makes it clear theirs is american, remington does not. Does anybody know for sure?

No manufacturer is going to reveal to anyone the whole list of vendors they use for their products...FP1201 has answered your question to the best of his ability....The overwhelming majority of the parts, steel , wood, and DNA left on the pistol after it's fired were born and bred in the US of A by American workers in ILION NY.

That being said, I WOULD TAKE A REMINGTON OVER A RUGER ANY DAY! Don't forget boys and girls... BILL RUGER SUPPORTED THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN and REFUSED to sell 0-30 round mags to mere mortal CIVILIANS!

May he rot in hell! I WILL NEVER buy another new Ruger product as long as I LIVE

Yet you live in New York?

Posted: 7/7/2011 7:24:22 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I can't speak for any version but the standard R1- skip it. It was not worth the money. Machining marks, sight dovetails ARE NOT Novak, no matter how much Remington says they are. Fit isn't as nice as my Springfield that I paid 100 dollars less for. The R1 also would not accept ANY aftermarket parts without extensive fitting. I know there are no true drop in parts on a 1911, but parts that fit my 6 other 1911s (from three different manufacturers) would not even come close to fitting the R1. Multiple calls and emails to Remington customer service about the various problems resulted in nothing but frustration and being told that I am wrong and all aftermarket parts were out of spec. My favorite was when I requested that I will pay both way to send them my R1 and multiple sets of novak sights so they can verify what I was saying. I was told "Our 1911R1 is Novak cut. The sights you have aren't cut properly or are out of spec. We will not verify this problem and are closing out your complaint."

I will never buy another Remington firearm because of the shitty quality weapon and even worse customer service.

You must have gotten a real lemon. I changed out all the internal parts on mine with NO issues. I have read their customer service is actually pretty good, so you must have really rubbed them the wrong way.

Mine mirrors bulletsponge13's experience with Rem cust service. Dreadful IMO. I don't think you would have to rub them any way in particular to get bad service.
They are well known for talking to people like they don't have the capacity for any type of knowledge.
I've shot nothing but Rem shotguns since I was a kid, but never again will I purchase a new Rem firearm. (based solely on their shitty tone on the phone, from multiple folks)

And to keep things in perspective, I've worked in a service of one type or another for my whole life, and ran my own business. So I am a VERY careful and courteous customer.
I know what it's like to be on both sides of the deal, and have no desire to make someone's day shitty because I'm having a problem.

As for your opinion about rem cust service (which I respect and I recognize you have every right to);
Reading about something is one thing, and actually living through it is another.

On the other hand, I have no experience with Rem 1911s, so I'm just gonna butt out

Posted: 7/7/2011 7:42:31 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
In this econemy, kinda pissed at companies like springfield selling brazilian guns and taughting them selves as "Americas oldest arms maker".

I checked web sites, Ruger makes it clear theirs is american, remington does not. Does anybody know for sure?

No manufacturer is going to reveal to anyone the whole list of vendors they use for their products...FP1201 has answered your question to the best of his ability....The overwhelming majority of the parts, steel , wood, and DNA left on the pistol after it's fired were born and bred in the US of A by American workers in ILION NY.

That being said, I WOULD TAKE A REMINGTON OVER A RUGER ANY DAY! Don't forget boys and girls... BILL RUGER SUPPORTED THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN and REFUSED to sell 0-30 round mags to mere mortal CIVILIANS!

May he rot in hell! I WILL NEVER buy another new Ruger product as long as I LIVE

Yet you live in New York?

And you think all of New York is covered in 10 feet of concrete and has skyscrapers????

Wake up sunshine, I LIVE IN WHAT SHOULD HAVE SECEEDED WITH Vermont!
UPSTATE NY is totally different than NYC, Buffalo, Albany or the handful of socialist /marxist cities dotting the state...

Cows outnumber people where I LIVE.

Posted: 7/8/2011 3:29:54 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
In this econemy, kinda pissed at companies like springfield selling brazilian guns and taughting them selves as "Americas oldest arms maker".

I checked web sites, Ruger makes it clear theirs is american, remington does not. Does anybody know for sure?

No manufacturer is going to reveal to anyone the whole list of vendors they use for their products...FP1201 has answered your question to the best of his ability....The overwhelming majority of the parts, steel , wood, and DNA left on the pistol after it's fired were born and bred in the US of A by American workers in ILION NY.

That being said, I WOULD TAKE A REMINGTON OVER A RUGER ANY DAY! Don't forget boys and girls... BILL RUGER SUPPORTED THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN and REFUSED to sell 0-30 round mags to mere mortal CIVILIANS!

May he rot in hell! I WILL NEVER buy another new Ruger product as long as I LIVE

Yet you live in New York?

And you think all of New York is covered in 10 feet of concrete and has skyscrapers????

Wake up sunshine, I LIVE IN WHAT SHOULD HAVE SECEEDED WITH Vermont!
UPSTATE NY is totally different than NYC, Buffalo, Albany or the handful of socialist /marxist cities dotting the state...

Cows outnumber people where I LIVE.

Yes, because I could deduce that from "NY, USA". In any case, is it still true that you need a permit to purchase a pistol in that STATE? I'm not trying to argue the point with you, it just seems silly that you are against an entire company due to one dead man's views. Ruger obviously doesn't hold that position any longer due to them making AR's (that come with 30 round mags) and concealed carry specific pistols.

And only my mommy can call me sunshine, sweetheart.

Posted: 7/8/2011 3:15:37 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
In this econemy, kinda pissed at companies like springfield selling brazilian guns and taughting them selves as "Americas oldest arms maker".

I checked web sites, Ruger makes it clear theirs is american, remington does not. Does anybody know for sure?

No manufacturer is going to reveal to anyone the whole list of vendors they use for their products...FP1201 has answered your question to the best of his ability....The overwhelming majority of the parts, steel , wood, and DNA left on the pistol after it's fired were born and bred in the US of A by American workers in ILION NY.

That being said, I WOULD TAKE A REMINGTON OVER A RUGER ANY DAY! Don't forget boys and girls... BILL RUGER SUPPORTED THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN and REFUSED to sell 0-30 round mags to mere mortal CIVILIANS!

May he rot in hell! I WILL NEVER buy another new Ruger product as long as I LIVE

Yet you live in New York?

And you think all of New York is covered in 10 feet of concrete and has skyscrapers????

Wake up sunshine, I LIVE IN WHAT SHOULD HAVE SECEEDED WITH Vermont!
UPSTATE NY is totally different than NYC, Buffalo, Albany or the handful of socialist /marxist cities dotting the state...

Cows outnumber people where I LIVE.

Yes, because I could deduce that from "NY, USA". In any case, is it still true that you need a permit to purchase a pistol in that STATE? I'm not trying to argue the point with you, it just seems silly that you are against an entire company due to one dead man's views. Ruger obviously doesn't hold that position any longer due to them making AR's (that come with 30 round mags) and concealed carry specific pistols.

And only my mommy can call me sunshine, sweetheart.

What I was trying to tell you (and many others) is alot of people associate all of NY with NYC... if you notice from the map provided you will see most of the landmass of NY State voted either conservative or republican last election... NOTICE WHERE Remington Arms is...

And Yes, unfortunately we have been afflicted with the Sullivan Law since 1911 named after a corrupt NYC politician who wanted to keep Italian Immigrants from possessing handguns.
WHY YOU ASK?
Because the Irish MOB owned both the cops and the mob at the time.

Why do I choose to live behind enemy lines???? Because I can't convince the rest of my family to move to either NH or KY...
My parents live in FL in the winter and I grew up in FL too so I know what I'm missing!

PS I do realize Ruger has cleaned up its act.
I still cant bring myself to buy Ruger.

Posted: 7/8/2011 5:02:35 PM EDT

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