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Posted: 1/2/2014 10:54:02 PM EDT
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My brand new 9FS also has one dimple. I heard that the number of dimples shows which CNC made it, but who knows.
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Posted: 1/2/2014 11:08:54 PM EDT
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My brand new 9FS also has one dimple. I heard that the number of dimples shows which CNC made it, but who knows. Does yours have the upgraded sear/bar, which provide for a very nice rest? Mine doesn't even have this upgrade. |
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Posted: 1/2/2014 11:50:18 PM EDT
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So does your gun actually perform poorly? The internet has ruined a lot of gun stuff. People get so wound up on things that might not have ever been a issue.
If you havent shot it I suggest starting there. One problem I notice a lot is many people dont have the skill to shoot handguns at 25 yards and beyond. That being said I have heard of some barrel problems but figured they would have solved it by now. |
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Posted: 1/3/2014 1:41:39 AM EDT
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Do you mean the bottom of the barrel in the chamber area? If so, my barrel has no dimples. If you mean dimples inside the slide, just in front of the chamber area of the barrel, then my slide has 5 dimples.
Anyway, I've had my 9MM M&P FS for almost 2 years now. My favorite load is 147 grain HPs. They shoot great. I've not noticed an issue with 124 grain HPs (meaning the gun shoots as well as my Glock or Browning BDM). I did have trigger issues, twice, but maybe the same cause each time (dead trigger fixed first by installing an APEX kit and then, when it happened again a few month later I bent the top hoop/dogleg of the trigger bar inwards just a little bit to make sure the slide was bumping it out from under the sear.) Accuracy has never been a real issue. Its not one of my 1911s, but I figured that when I bought it. |
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Posted: 1/3/2014 2:01:09 AM EDT
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Where did you hear the one dimple barrel is different than the two?
Have you shot the gun at all? |
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Posted: 1/3/2014 7:09:49 AM EDT
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Where did you hear the one dimple barrel is different than the two? Have you shot the gun at all? Yes, I've shot it. The two dimple is the latest barrel design, and it seems to have resolved Smith's accuracy issues. This is from other forums on the internet, so take it for what it's worth. |
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Posted: 1/3/2014 11:29:27 AM EDT
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Yes, I've shot it. The two dimple is the latest barrel design, and it seems to have resolved Smith's accuracy issues. This is from other forums on the internet, so take it for what it's worth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where did you hear the one dimple barrel is different than the two? Have you shot the gun at all? Yes, I've shot it. The two dimple is the latest barrel design, and it seems to have resolved Smith's accuracy issues. This is from other forums on the internet, so take it for what it's worth. FWIW, I have 3 x FS M&P 9mm's One "My Boresite Solutions gun" Suffered from a bit of an Accuracy issue. Replaced the slide spring with a heavier one I got from a member on the Board here when he was offering the captive replacments. Never looked back it has been fine with factory barrel ever since. The other 2 are fine no issues. In fact the newest one I just got from a Board member here was lightly used but the test fire cartridge was shot in July 2013. It has "One Dimple" on the Barrel and 4 in the slide, dont really know about the dating of it based on this, but I do know the Factory reset is improved.....Albeit, not as good as having an APEX kit in it though, but as far as accuracy..... First time out last weekend. I shot a 99-5x at 25 yards, standard "off hand" NRA style using 124 Gr JHP Match Ammo from Atlanta Arms. This gun is wonderfully accurate and zero issues with reliability. All Factory! OP, you were asked several times above if you have shot the gun AND were you having accuracy issues? You only answered you had shot it, you didnt answer the question on how it shot and give any specifics. Its seems they were trying to help if you had an issue, because the premise of your thread was that you were accually having an issue. So? Are you? cp |
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Posted: 1/3/2014 11:58:02 AM EDT
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Do you have a 5" barrel?
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Posted: 1/3/2014 1:46:31 PM EDT
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Some my no dimple m&p is a piece of crap?
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Posted: 1/3/2014 3:33:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does yours have the upgraded sear/bar, which provide for a very nice rest? Mine doesn't even have this upgrade. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My brand new 9FS also has one dimple. I heard that the number of dimples shows which CNC made it, but who knows. Does yours have the upgraded sear/bar, which provide for a very nice rest? Mine doesn't even have this upgrade. Yes, mine has all the current improvements. Too be fair though, it's the Cabela's only tan frame model. Not sure if that makes a difference. I haven't had the chance to shoot it yet but it feels great during dry fire.
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Posted: 1/3/2014 3:38:17 PM EDT
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No dimple, new trigger, 6-25-12 shell casing.
ETA: Mine looks like the bottom pic. Is this what you're talking about OP? 
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Posted: 1/3/2014 3:40:18 PM EDT
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My no dimple M&P9 FS shoots just fine at 25 yards, your thread is sad.
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Posted: 1/3/2014 8:58:10 PM EDT
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My 9L with a date of 2-10 shoots great. I've shoot it pretty much every month in match's since I got it. A whole bunch of rounds through it and I hate to admit it not much cleaning done. Oh yeah on the matches it's just my club, so I'm not trying to bragg, but I'm always in the top 3-4 out of 30-50 shooters using my reloads.
I guess YMMV |
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Posted: 1/3/2014 9:07:40 PM EDT
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1 dimple vs 2 dimple is the machine that made it. Just like the slides have dimples saying what machine made it.
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Posted: 1/4/2014 4:46:27 AM EDT
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I don't see dimples on either of those pictures, where are we talking about?
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Posted: 1/4/2014 5:23:35 AM EDT
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Yes, I've shot it. The two dimple is the latest barrel design, and it seems to have resolved Smith's accuracy issues. This is from other forums on the internet, so take it for what it's worth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where did you hear the one dimple barrel is different than the two? Have you shot the gun at all? Yes, I've shot it. The two dimple is the latest barrel design, and it seems to have resolved Smith's accuracy issues. This is from other forums on the internet, so take it for what it's worth. I found your problem. Ill send you 5 bucks and you just ship that pistol right over to me for proper disposal. |
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Posted: 1/4/2014 7:11:30 AM EDT
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1 dimple vs 2 dimple is the machine that made it. Just like the slides have dimples saying what machine made it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
1 dimple vs 2 dimple is the machine that made it. Just like the slides have dimples saying what machine made it. Exactly. OP needs to actually shoot his guns for groups and stop listening to everything he sees on the errornet. Quoted:
I don't see dimples on either of those pictures, where are we talking about? ... Try this one: http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=3719 There does not appear to be any difference between a one and two dimple barrel. I have seen both come in brand new guns. I have owned both and have seen no practical accuracy differences. |
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Posted: 1/4/2014 7:55:34 AM EDT
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Can someone take a pic of the slower twist barrel and faster twist barrel looking down the bore?
Like this? 4.25" 9MM barrel 
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Posted: 1/4/2014 8:16:41 AM EDT
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So does your gun actually perform poorly? The internet has ruined a lot of gun stuff. People get so wound up on things that might not have ever been a issue. If you havent shot it I suggest starting there. One problem I notice a lot is many people dont have the skill to shoot handguns at 25 yards and beyond. That being said I have heard of some barrel problems but figured they would have solved it by now. I agree with this. Stuff on the internet exaggerates things that may never be a problem. MIM parts are a really good example. |
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Posted: 1/5/2014 6:42:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, I've shot it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where did you hear the one dimple barrel is different than the two? Have you shot the gun at all? Yes, I've shot it. So what kind of groups were you getting at 25 yards from a rest?
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Posted: 1/6/2014 7:18:02 AM EDT
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There's an engineer over on P-F working on this right now, and the problem goes a bit deeper than just the barrel. The slide is suspect as well.
Given that, no number of dimples on your barrel will guarantee at a glance that your gun will be accurate. |
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Posted: 1/6/2014 10:34:07 AM EDT
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There's an engineer over on P-F working on this right now, and the problem goes a bit deeper than just the barrel. The slide is suspect as well. Given that, no number of dimples on your barrel will guarantee at a glance that your gun will be accurate. Hence why all my guns get ISMI 17 lbs springs the minute they get in my hands. Even with the old barrels, I've never had a M&P that I couldn't massively tighten up with just a minimally heavier spring. 17lbs springs+ new barrels (either S&W or KKM) seems to be a VERY good combination to get a 3" or better gun at 25 with middle of the road or better ammo. |
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Posted: 1/6/2014 8:02:47 PM EDT
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There's an engineer over on P-F working on this right now, and the problem goes a bit deeper than just the barrel. The slide is suspect as well. Given that, no number of dimples on your barrel will guarantee at a glance that your gun will be accurate. P-F? |
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Posted: 1/7/2014 7:03:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: P-F? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's an engineer over on P-F working on this right now, and the problem goes a bit deeper than just the barrel. The slide is suspect as well. Given that, no number of dimples on your barrel will guarantee at a glance that your gun will be accurate. P-F? |
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Posted: 1/11/2014 6:51:57 PM EDT
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All these possible solutions and still no answer from the OP as to whether or not he was actually having "flyers" or accuracy issues....
Just as I thought 
cp |
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Posted: 1/12/2014 2:04:59 PM EDT
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My 3 year old M&P shoots like a motherfucker. Handloads of cast, jacketed or plated not a single problem... this gun shoots.
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Posted: 1/12/2014 3:31:45 PM EDT
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I just traded into a fde model fullsize 9mm and havent shot it yet, but it has a date code of early 2011 on the fired shell casing envelope.
It also has a very bad rattle to it from the slide/frame fit. I mean i understand a little bit is fine , but you visually see it moving a decent bit in the rear and a lot more in the front up and down, side to side a good 1/8" or more. Thats unloaded, with empty mag, full mag.. I have played with a friends and a store gun and both were nice and tight like my new and used glocks.. I sent off a email to S&W to see what the deal is, gun supposedly only has 50 0rounds thru it and has the old slide stop and barrel in it also. This is my first M&P , besides my M&P .22 pistol |
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Posted: 1/12/2014 4:02:54 PM EDT
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Does the gun shoot?
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Posted: 1/12/2014 5:40:39 PM EDT
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Does the gun shoot? Talking to me? I traded into it and after i got home that night and took a better look at it and broke it down, i noticed all this and texted him back, and he said it was a decent shooter but not the most accurate. |
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Posted: 1/12/2014 5:50:15 PM EDT
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Talking to me? I traded into it and after i got home that night and took a better look at it and broke it down, i noticed all this and texted him back, and he said it was a decent shooter but not the most accurate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does the gun shoot? Talking to me? I traded into it and after i got home that night and took a better look at it and broke it down, i noticed all this and texted him back, and he said it was a decent shooter but not the most accurate. I would go shoot it before you waste S&W's time. |
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Posted: 1/12/2014 6:17:12 PM EDT
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I would go shoot it before you waste S&W's time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does the gun shoot? Talking to me? I traded into it and after i got home that night and took a better look at it and broke it down, i noticed all this and texted him back, and he said it was a decent shooter but not the most accurate. I would go shoot it before you waste S&W's time. Oh i will, was just surprised of how "sloppy" this gun is for only having 500'ish rounds thru it. the gun is clean and mint just a sloppy ass fit and a rattle trap...which does bug my OCD..lol I put in a email just to see what they say..as i have read about the different updated barrels and slide stops in the last few years. |
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Posted: 1/12/2014 8:25:35 PM EDT
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Oh i will, was just surprised of how "sloppy" this gun is for only having 500'ish rounds thru it. the gun is clean and mint just a sloppy ass fit and a rattle trap...which does bug my OCD..lol I put in a email just to see what they say..as i have read about the different updated barrels and slide stops in the last few years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does the gun shoot? Talking to me? I traded into it and after i got home that night and took a better look at it and broke it down, i noticed all this and texted him back, and he said it was a decent shooter but not the most accurate. I would go shoot it before you waste S&W's time. Oh i will, was just surprised of how "sloppy" this gun is for only having 500'ish rounds thru it. the gun is clean and mint just a sloppy ass fit and a rattle trap...which does bug my OCD..lol I put in a email just to see what they say..as i have read about the different updated barrels and slide stops in the last few years. Who cares if it's "sloppy" if it shoots well? If you want tight go buy a Les Baer. What has a "sloppy ass fit" on your gun? |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 2:48:43 AM EDT
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The slide to frame fit is the sloppy'est i have ever had on any gun i have owned or held or shot of someone else's. Even of the same models of a friends and a recent store i stopped in and played with one of the same make and model..
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:10:13 AM EDT
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The slide to frame fit is the sloppy'est i have ever had on any gun i have owned or held or shot of someone else's. Even of the same models of a friends and a recent store i stopped in and played with one of the same make and model.. If it bothers you so bad, why did you buy it? |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 10:18:46 AM EDT
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The slide to frame fit is the sloppy'est i have ever had on any gun i have owned or held or shot of someone else's. Even of the same models of a friends and a recent store i stopped in and played with one of the same make and model.. OP, I have to respectfully disagree with the other posters above. Use your own judgement on this. If it is indeed "That sloppy" I would contact SW. I have 5 M&P's and I would consider None that bad, which is relative, I know. My oldest one is a bit loose but I am not worried about it, it shoots fine. Granted your definition of Loose may be different than mine or other peoples', but it sounds like you had/ have another M&P so if there is seriously that much difference I would contact and maybe even send it in. Closely check the frame and rails for excessive wear and/ or breakage as well. It would be odd but shit happens and I would surely not want to see an injury base on the "just shoot it" mentality. Again this is a call you have to make, but If you are in doubt get it checked first. JMHO cp |
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Posted: 1/14/2014 1:07:05 PM EDT
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OP, I have to respectfully disagree with the other posters above. Use your own judgement on this. If it is indeed "That sloppy" I would contact SW. I have 5 M&P's and I would consider None that bad, which is relative, I know. My oldest one is a bit loose but I am not worried about it, it shoots fine. Granted your definition of Loose may be different than mine or other peoples', but it sounds like you had/ have another M&P so if there is seriously that much difference I would contact and maybe even send it in. Closely check the frame and rails for excessive wear and/ or breakage as well. It would be odd but shit happens and I would surely not want to see an injury base on the "just shoot it" mentality. Again this is a call you have to make, but If you are in doubt get it checked first. JMHO cp Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The slide to frame fit is the sloppy'est i have ever had on any gun i have owned or held or shot of someone else's. Even of the same models of a friends and a recent store i stopped in and played with one of the same make and model.. OP, I have to respectfully disagree with the other posters above. Use your own judgement on this. If it is indeed "That sloppy" I would contact SW. I have 5 M&P's and I would consider None that bad, which is relative, I know. My oldest one is a bit loose but I am not worried about it, it shoots fine. Granted your definition of Loose may be different than mine or other peoples', but it sounds like you had/ have another M&P so if there is seriously that much difference I would contact and maybe even send it in. Closely check the frame and rails for excessive wear and/ or breakage as well. It would be odd but shit happens and I would surely not want to see an injury base on the "just shoot it" mentality. Again this is a call you have to make, but If you are in doubt get it checked first. JMHO cp Thanks for the non partisan opinion..lol Talked to S&W today and it sounds like them something isnt quite right and are sending me a shipping label back to them to see whats up, and i asked to see about upgrading to the newer design barrel/slide stop/trigger parts pieces if possible for charge of? he said let me get it first and well go from there. |
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Posted: 1/14/2014 5:21:39 PM EDT
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I have had Sigs-The good ones, made in West Germany, that sounded like baby rattles, that were as accurate as ones that were new out of the box.
Since you contacted S&W, let them look at it. I would have shot it first then contacted them if there was something wrong. My USPSA M&P is loose, but then again, it has thousands of rounds through it. Still more accurate than I am. |
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Posted: 2/5/2014 11:31:33 AM EDT
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I have a pair of early 2012 M&P 9mm pistols that I purchased at the same time from the same dealer. One is a shooter, the other isn't and is currently on it's third trip back to Smith. Some of you may ask, why 2012 pistols are just now going back to the factory. Honestly, I didn't shoot them enough initially or far enough to detect an issue. Then, I thought it was me until I shot both pistols back to back at distance. Interestingly enough, the issue gets worse the heavier the ammo:
ETA: The "bad" pistol has a single dimple barrel it got on its first trip back to the factory in Fall of 2013. Both pistols, 5-shot groups rested @ 25yds, same ammo, POA for both was the bottom of the blue 7 ring (basically where the group on the left is): 
Untitled by ASH556, on Flickr The "good" pistol, 10 rds of 124gr at 25yds, rested: 
Untitled by ASH556, on Flickr The "bad" pistol, same thing: 
Untitled by ASH556, on Flickr And just for comparison, a borrowed Glock 19, same thing: 
Untitled by ASH556, on Flickr And no, it doesn't still shoot better than me, here's a 10 shot group, same ammo, offhand @ 25 yds: 
124 AGUILA FREE by ASH556, on Flickr |
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Posted: 2/5/2014 3:25:00 PM EDT
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^^ nice report.
Can i ask since i have a fullsize 9mm at their shop right now for shooting like junk and crappiest, loosest fitting gun i have ever handled or shot. Can i ask what did they do each time you sent it in? Just curius as mine is a mid 2011 gun with the older barrel. Thanks |
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Posted: 2/5/2014 3:46:02 PM EDT
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^^ nice report. Can i ask since i have a fullsize 9mm at their shop right now for shooting like junk and crappiest, loosest fitting gun i have ever handled or shot. Can i ask what did they do each time you sent it in? Just curius as mine is a mid 2011 gun with the older barrel. Thanks First time, they replaced the barrel. Second time, they did nothing, stated that the pistol shot to spec, and returned it, which, upon receiving it I called up and raised holy hell. I got it back and sent it back last Friday. We'll see what they do this time, but I basically have the following ultimatum: 1) Make it shoot right 2) Replace it 3) Refund Their choice. |
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Posted: 2/5/2014 8:12:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The "bad" pistol, same thing: Assuming that orange dot is 1", that looks like a 4" 10-shot group. At 25 yards that's not bad for a striker fired polymer pistol. |
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Posted: 2/5/2014 9:46:19 PM EDT
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Assuming that orange dot is 1", that looks like a 4" 10-shot group. At 25 yards that's not bad for a striker fired polymer pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The "bad" pistol, same thing: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/12240121276_a2d7297992_b.jpg Assuming that orange dot is 1", that looks like a 4" 10-shot group. At 25 yards that's not bad for a striker fired polymer pistol. Other than he has one way out in the "Bad Group" and He hit the orange dot once in the "Good Group" I dont see much difference in the two groups. |
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Posted: 2/6/2014 5:59:25 AM EDT
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Other than he has one way out in the "Bad Group" and He hit the orange dot once in the "Good Group" I dont see much difference in the two groups. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The "bad" pistol, same thing: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/12240121276_a2d7297992_b.jpg Assuming that orange dot is 1", that looks like a 4" 10-shot group. At 25 yards that's not bad for a striker fired polymer pistol. Other than he has one way out in the "Bad Group" and He hit the orange dot once in the "Good Group" I dont see much difference in the two groups. The dots are 1.5" and the "bad" group is 5". By contrast, the Glock group is 3.75". The lack of cohesive grouping and the "way out" fliers are the issue with the pistol. At first, I thought those were me, but they happen on every single group shot with the pistol, meanwhile, I can shoot groups with my other, identical M&P 9mm and not get those fliers...something's wrong with the gun. Again, the issue seems to magnify itself with heavier ammo, look at the first picture I posted. |
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Posted: 2/8/2014 11:26:25 PM EDT
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Just got the email saying my fullsize 9 is on its way back and should be back in a few days, went in for the same, shoots like shit groups and gun was looser then a mother , as far as frame to slide fit.
No call or email explanation just a shipping notice..humm not sure what to think, they had the gun just under 2 weeks. Will update when i get it back, also sent in a brand new fullsize 45 about a week ago as out of the box brand new finish sucked and trigger by far was the worst ever felt and i went back and fondled some other 45's and none felt like mine. gravel feel all the way thru and when let of, no feel of a reset or feeling either..I really like the ergonomics of the m&P's but my last 2 have not impressed me. |
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Posted: 2/11/2014 4:36:02 PM EDT
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Update 1, just got back the fullsize m&P 9mm and with no return emails last week asking for a determination of whats up or a phone call as i asked for, i received it back today.
With there mediocre worksheet, which nothing is checked off, and under their notes section says "poor accuracy" but only thing that i can somewhat make out under that it says work evaluated/performed/repair/ barrel replace/trigger pull adjusted. trigger does feel a little different and the barrel is different now with the newer design i have seen pics of and it has one dot on the bottom of it. But no other info was given ...Guess ill just have to get out and see how it shoots. Out of the other big name firearm companies when i have had to send in firearms for problems/repair. fast correspondence , and handled much better. So far S&W customer service has not impressed me, and i also have a brand new FS 45 there now for other problems strait out of the box.. |
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Posted: 2/11/2014 5:34:46 PM EDT
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tagging for updates.
Thankfully my M&P 9 FS that I bought this year for LEO duty has been nothing but outstanding thus far. I've fired apx 1,000 rnds so far. |
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