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Posted: 11/7/2015 1:52:22 PM EDT
I had stocked up on perhaps a thousand rounds of this stuff, a box or two at a time, at Wal-Mart.
Then, I actually shot some of it... 
I'm getting between 7 and 8 moa from this stuff; using a BR-308 with 16" barrel. Typical groups with various other loads hover around 2 moa. It's a rainy day today, and I gots me a bullet puller-- grains of powder 43.8 43.7 43.8 43.4 44.8 44.6 44.4 44.7 44.7 44.4 44.8 44.7 44.5 44.8 44.6 44.6 44.7 44.6 44.7 44.8 I do not know how this compares with a "quality" cartridge, but I know that my non-trickle charged handloads never vary by more than .1 grain (when using a similar ball powder). These were significantly worse. These are listed in the order that they were weighed. Notice that the first four charges are significantly different than the rest. The first four were the remainder from a different box (different lot also?). Bullets were sealed with black tar, and weren't particularly easy to pull. Pulled bullets were coated with a variable amount of tar, so weighing them seemed kind of pointless. At any rate, four that were weighed were 146.7, 146.5, 146.4, and 146.4. Haven't decided what I'm going to do with this stuff. Either recharge the cases, or make some mexican match. |
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Posted: 11/7/2015 3:23:24 PM EDT
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Either recharge the cases, or make some mexican match. be a waste of time with powder like that. |
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Posted: 11/7/2015 3:57:38 PM EDT
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I recharged the first four with the original bullets and a trickle-charged 43.60 grains.
The remainder were trickle-charged to 42.00 grains*, using some 150gr ballistic tip cosmetic rejects (sourced from Midway, some time ago). Will probably be at least a week before I can get back to the range. Hopefully, will be able to salvage something useful from this junk. *there's more to be said about this, but this isn't a "reloading" post, nor is this the reloading forum |
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Posted: 11/7/2015 5:29:06 PM EDT
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I'd be curious to see how the Mexican Match turned out. "Sounds" like a good idea.
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Posted: 11/7/2015 6:08:12 PM EDT
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My hog huntee shoots them ok. Not great. I dont remember exactly but I think im getting 2-4" groups. I thimk Ive even got a few 1.5" groups
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Posted: 11/7/2015 6:55:46 PM EDT
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My hog huntee shoots them ok. Not great. I dont remember exactly but I think im getting 2-4" groups. I thimk Ive even got a few 1.5" groups Actually I tried them in my HogHunter too. Yeah, spreading 2-4" but good enough to get on paper without wasting spendy premium hunting ammo. I also though it was fairly clean burning. |
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Posted: 11/7/2015 9:54:34 PM EDT
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My GII shoots ZQ1 all over a 12" target... Waste of money.
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Posted: 11/7/2015 10:27:10 PM EDT
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Sell it off during the next panic buy.
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Posted: 11/7/2015 11:19:53 PM EDT
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Actually I tried them in my HogHunter too. Yeah, spreading 2-4" but good enough to get on paper without wasting spendy premium hunting ammo. I also though it was fairly clean burning. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My hog huntee shoots them ok. Not great. I dont remember exactly but I think im getting 2-4" groups. I thimk Ive even got a few 1.5" groups Actually I tried them in my HogHunter too. Yeah, spreading 2-4" but good enough to get on paper without wasting spendy premium hunting ammo. I also though it was fairly clean burning. Really forces me to work on technique when shooting 12" steel at 3-400 yards |
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Posted: 11/7/2015 11:59:03 PM EDT
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Pull them down, neck size, reload with a charge of 44.5 gr and watch your groups shrink.
Good enough for training ammunition. |
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Posted: 11/8/2015 8:52:08 AM EDT
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I feel bad for the people having a tough time with the 7.62 ZQI.
It shoots decent groups with my CETME. Not a tack driver by any stretch, but certainly better than 7-8 MOA. and all I have are old eyes and iron sights. For me, the ZQI has shot about as well as my South African surplus. as an aside, my CETME ejects brass quite a ways and I can consistently hit people 20' to my right with the hot brass. Kind of a twofer. 
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Posted: 11/8/2015 10:07:25 AM EDT
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I feel bad for the people having a tough time with the 7.62 ZQI. It shoots decent groups with my CETME. Not a tack driver by any stretch, but certainly better than 7-8 MOA. and all I have are old eyes and iron sights. For me, the ZQI has shot about as well as my South African surplus. as an aside, my CETME ejects brass quite a ways and I can consistently hit people 20' to my right with the hot brass. Kind of a twofer.
"1 shot, 2 kills" Tom Berenger |
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Posted: 11/8/2015 10:10:56 AM EDT
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"1 shot, 2 kills" Tom Berenger Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel bad for the people having a tough time with the 7.62 ZQI. It shoots decent groups with my CETME. Not a tack driver by any stretch, but certainly better than 7-8 MOA. and all I have are old eyes and iron sights. For me, the ZQI has shot about as well as my South African surplus. as an aside, my CETME ejects brass quite a ways and I can consistently hit people 20' to my right with the hot brass. Kind of a twofer.
"1 shot, 2 kills" Tom Berenger 
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Posted: 11/8/2015 1:17:41 PM EDT
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Not quite sure about the ZQI hate, either. It's 2-3MOA in every rifle I own which is about the same as the LC and PPU M80 ball I've shot.
I'm sittting on 2600 rounds of it myself after I bought home another 400 yesterday at 2 different Wallyworlds. I'll keep stacking it deep 100-200 rounds at a time until I can't find it anymore. |
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Posted: 11/8/2015 1:27:42 PM EDT
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That's sure a lot of work to save money.
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Posted: 11/8/2015 1:39:28 PM EDT
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The first time I purchased the ZQI accuracy seem ok, like 4 MOA from my FAL.
Last batch of this stuff I bought I fired from an M14F with a scope and it was all over the target and very inconsistent. I'd say 5 to 6 MOA and no real group to speak of, just hitting all over the target. Perhaps quality control has diminished. I won't buy any more. I switched to some Aguila 150 FMJ I bought at Academy and got a nice 2 MOA group. |
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Posted: 11/8/2015 1:48:17 PM EDT
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For me its blasting ammo and reloading brass. I wouldn't try to group on it past 100yds. But at 50cpr, blast away.
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Posted: 11/8/2015 1:49:38 PM EDT
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I had stocked up on perhaps a thousand rounds of this stuff, a box or two at a time, at Wal-Mart. Then, I actually shot some of it...
I'm getting between 7 and 8 moa from this stuff; using a BR-308 with 16" barrel. Typical groups with various other loads hover around 2 moa. It's a rainy day today, and I gots me a bullet puller-- grains of powder 43.8 43.7 43.8 43.4 44.8 44.6 44.4 44.7 44.7 44.4 44.8 44.7 44.5 44.8 44.6 44.6 44.7 44.6 44.7 44.8 I do not know how this compares with a "quality" cartridge, but I know that my non-trickle charged handloads never vary by more than .1 grain (when using a similar ball powder). These were significantly worse. These are listed in the order that they were weighed. Notice that the first four charges are significantly different than the rest. The first four were the remainder from a different box (different lot also?). Bullets were sealed with black tar, and weren't particularly easy to pull. Pulled bullets were coated with a variable amount of tar, so weighing them seemed kind of pointless. At any rate, four that were weighed were 146.7, 146.5, 146.4, and 146.4. Haven't decided what I'm going to do with this stuff. Either recharge the cases, or make some mexican match. Your powder charge varied by only 1 grain, which on average is a charge variance of around +/- 1 percent from shot/shot. The variance in bullet weight are even better, I suspect that if you would crack open a 20 round box of LC XM80 you'd see similar variances in both powder charge and bullet weight. I think I'd pull some more bullets and drop in either a 155 sierra Palma or a Nosler150 ballistic tip and see what it does with the same powder. |
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Posted: 11/8/2015 1:53:06 PM EDT
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This stuff costs the same as steel cased Silver Bear. It's easily better than that.
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Posted: 11/8/2015 3:29:11 PM EDT
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My GII shoots ZQ1 all over a 12" target... Waste of money. My G2 Recon holds them to 3". Maybe I got a Thursday gun. |
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Posted: 11/8/2015 4:59:44 PM EDT
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ZQI is good training ammo, especially at $.50 cents.
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Posted: 11/8/2015 5:32:33 PM EDT
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I suspect it's the projectile, from your powder variance. That is actually "not too bad" for cheap ammo. Perhaps resizing the bullet would help. Some people are getting groups with this stuff, some are not. I have purchased over 5k rounds and have not shot it yet. .4985 OTD in tax free states. You cannot reload for this in a new case .
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Posted: 11/8/2015 7:24:18 PM EDT
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I'd be interested to see how those same rounds clocked over a chronograph. I bet they'd all be within a reasonable range of velocities. While US canister grade powders are consistent enough from lot to lot for handloaders to be concerned about a variation of more than ±0.1 grain, ZQI is not using US canister grade powders. They're using arsenal powders, which means they will be adjusting the load on the fly based on how the powder tests out. US GI ammunition is made the same way, and you might be pretty surprised at how much powder charges could vary in US-made M80 ammunition.
Keep in mind that the ZQI stuff is supposed to be equivalent to M80, which is NOT spec'd to be a precision round by any means. That Federal's XM80 turns out to be fairly accurate most of the time does not mean that it must be more accurate than the spec. M80's required accuracy is for all rounds to strike within a circle of 5" radius at 600 yards (boxed, on strippers) or 7.5" radius when belted. That's a circle 10" across (or 15" across) at 600 yards, which rounds to about 2 MOA (if I counted right without taking off my shoes). |
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Posted: 11/8/2015 11:26:07 PM EDT
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Another plus is no steel in the projo..
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Posted: 11/9/2015 8:45:15 PM EDT
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This is the worst .308 in existence. I gave my 500 rounds to a friend. Paki .308 from peshawar gunsmiths shoots better.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 11:52:48 PM EDT
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It goes bang in my .308s and it got under 1" @ 100 yards in my Dad's NM M1A... |
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Posted: 11/10/2015 3:17:06 PM EDT
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isnt ZQI from turkey?
reminds me of that 308 ammo from india years back which was also crap ammo. saving .10/round just isnt worth it sometimes. |
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Posted: 11/10/2015 6:41:50 PM EDT
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I'd be interested to see how those same rounds clocked over a chronograph. I bet they'd all be within a reasonable range of velocities. While US canister grade powders are consistent enough from lot to lot for handloaders to be concerned about a variation of more than ±0.1 grain, ZQI is not using US canister grade powders. They're using arsenal powders, which means they will be adjusting the load on the fly based on how the powder tests out. US GI ammunition is made the same way, and you might be pretty surprised at how much powder charges could vary in US-made M80 ammunition. Keep in mind that the ZQI stuff is supposed to be equivalent to M80, which is NOT spec'd to be a precision round by any means. That Federal's XM80 turns out to be fairly accurate most of the time does not mean that it must be more accurate than the spec. M80's required accuracy is for all rounds to strike within a circle of 5" radius at 600 yards (boxed, on strippers) or 7.5" radius when belted. That's a circle 10" across (or 15" across) at 600 yards, which rounds to about 2 MOA (if I counted right without taking off my shoes). MKE's website shows 827 meters per second +/- 15MPS.... ( 2713.26 FPS ) at about 78 feet.... While their accuracy claim is repeated on their Webpage flier.... 3.5 cm at 100 meters..... download took a decent amount of time.... interesting the rifles they make.... Page 41ish for 308 ammo http://www.mkek.gov.tr/Katalog/MKEKProductCatalog.pdf |
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Posted: 11/10/2015 8:15:20 PM EDT
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I haven't had any accuracy problems with this stuff in my SCAR 17. Thought it grouped about the same as XM80.
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Posted: 11/10/2015 10:48:09 PM EDT
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isnt ZQI from turkey? reminds me of that 308 ammo from india years back which was also crap ammo. saving .10/round just isnt worth it sometimes. India is not a NATO nation, and their .308 may or may not be up to par - they don't need to care about that, since it doesn't have to be interchangable with other NATO countries' weapons. Turkey IS a NATO nation, and the ZQI ammunition, should be within specs, since MKE is the state ammunition manufacturer. That makes (or should make) a big difference. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 7:04:17 PM EDT
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This is the worst .308 in existence. I gave my 500 rounds to a friend. Paki .308 from peshawar gunsmiths shoots better. Exactly right. Even had a round keyhole at 60 yds. And no, it wasn't the rifle. |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 4:29:00 PM EDT
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This stuff costs the same as steel cased Silver Bear. It's easily better than that. I doubt it. I've never shot Silver Bear 308, but Silver Bear 223 is remarkably accurate - surprising considering it smells like cat piss. ZQI 308 is garbage - it's even specified on their website at ~5MOA (1.38" mean radius). Useless, IMO. |
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Posted: 11/20/2015 10:33:18 AM EDT
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I just went through 40 rounds at the range a few days ago with my hog hunter. So out of 8 groups not a single one was over 3" at 100 yards.
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Posted: 11/22/2015 7:52:20 PM EDT
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3.5" @ 100 out of my M1A Scout with Millet DMS. 2.2" out of my Rem 700 SPS. And i don't claim to be the best shot in the world.
Not match grade for sure, but good enough, at the price point ,for what I'm using it for. You guys getting 8" groups must have bought bad lots, or maybe need to check your mounts and rings or something. |
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