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Posted: 2/10/2007 4:02:01 PM EDT
    Anyone know what would be a correct vintage mount?  
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Posted: 2/10/2007 4:37:47 PM EDT
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OD green duct tape...hat
I think that there might be a pic in "The Black Rifle". My dad has my copy so I can't check... hinking.gif but there is an experimental "reflex" sight section in the book. |
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Posted: 2/10/2007 5:45:34 PM EDT
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Villafuego has an original mount. See if you can get him to send you pics.
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Posted: 2/10/2007 7:10:23 PM EDT
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I have a Single Point like the top one you have pictured. Except the front cover/"lens" is clear and not opaque. It also came with the rings installed. While they look like Weaver rings they are not. I don't have the proper base, but modified a cheapie to work.
Hang on while I get some pics taken.  As you can see, the loop is not removable from the ring base. Thus the rear ring is more or less "permanently" attached to the body, despite having the two screws on the opposite side much like Weaver rings.  Had to hog out the cheapie mount to clear the turret and occular lens.  Here's the whole shebang mounted up. If I were to cut the mount at the white dotted lines the mount would look much more similar to the original mount. |
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Posted: 2/10/2007 10:30:16 PM EDT
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Pardon my ig-no-rance, but is that a red dot scope?
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Posted: 2/10/2007 10:40:33 PM EDT
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Yes, it is.
However you can't see through the scope, unlike more modern types. You absolutely need to keep both eyes open to use these. The right eye, for a right handed shooter, is directly behind the sight and sees nothing but a blacked out scope with a dot in the middle of it. The left eye sees the target down range. With both eyes open you combine the two images to "float" the dot onto the target. |
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Posted: 2/10/2007 10:44:43 PM EDT
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yea. but you get a little peripheral with the right eye. it sucks all the way around and i would rather have any red dot than it but for what it was, when it was it's not bad. an anachronism, sure, but but anyone with a little money can do better. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 1:47:40 AM EDT
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Here are some pics of a build I did for a friend. It has a brand new Single Point on it:
    
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Posted: 2/11/2007 7:05:22 AM EDT
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The round opaque cap has a 4 MOA dot and the clear cap has a 12 MOA dot. The 4 MOA was originally designed for use on rifles and the 12 MOA dot was designed for use on shotguns.
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Posted: 2/11/2007 7:09:23 AM EDT
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Sure you could, but could you stay "retro"? Your only other choice was an Armson OEG and it is also an "occluded eye gunsight" and works the same way as the Singlepoint. 
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Posted: 2/11/2007 7:17:00 AM EDT
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Well, the Rebels used them on their DH-17 blasters. I can't tell if those are Weaver rings or not.
 
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Posted: 2/11/2007 7:25:19 AM EDT
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That's the reason they are hard to find now. All the Star Wars re-enactors bought most of them up...
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Posted: 2/11/2007 9:19:46 AM EDT
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That looks like alot of work.
Nice set up, I can make out the Weaver rings, what mount is that?
The Armson is so 80's.
Have noticed that, but there are quite a few out there now.
The "cone cap" is also quite a bit brighter.
Did not know that. Where you getting all this info? From memory?
Yes, the SINGLEPOINT is in TBR, and also in THE FAL RIFLE. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 9:25:55 AM EDT
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Yeah, but the Son Tay raiders were pretty big on them:    These end user also appear quite happy with them:  
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Posted: 2/11/2007 9:29:16 AM EDT
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The first cone one I ever looked through was mounted on a shotgun. That would make sense given the size of the dot.
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Posted: 2/11/2007 9:32:54 AM EDT
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But it was early 80's 
Memory, yes. But I read something about that early on. If I can find documentation I will provide it. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 9:58:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2007 10:09:59 AM EDT
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Here ya go.......correct "strap mount" for AR's.......this is the 4moa scope   
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Posted: 2/11/2007 10:20:40 AM EDT
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Ekie
It took a bit of time and 3 or 4 sanding drums with Dremel. That's why it's not so pretty looking. But it is more funtional, and prettier, than green duct tape. uxb Didn't know that about the differnt dot sizes and such. Thanks. And thanks for the pics illustrating how one uses the sight. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 10:52:32 AM EDT
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Think it was 1981? Am planning on getting a couple of them, for my A2 stuff. If you get a chance you might consider reposting your OEG info. Would be nice to make an educated purchase. I never paid much attention to optics until recently, was a iron sight kinda guy.
If you have something, please post it.
That is slick. Looks like the same "strap" used to mount a SINGLEPOINT on a FAL. Did you get that off a auction board? |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 10:55:26 AM EDT
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Bought it right here off the EE ........
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Posted: 2/11/2007 11:03:07 AM EDT
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Well, looks like one more thing for me to look for. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 11:48:27 AM EDT
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If I had come home nine minutes earlier, I would be posting pics of it. 
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Posted: 2/11/2007 12:05:10 PM EDT
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There's the Weaver Qwik-Point from ~ the same time ('70s-early 80s) frame though it's not an occluded sight, the fiberoptic element being above the sight tunnel & superimposed via mirror/angled lens. Not nearly as streamlined, actually kinda dorky looking & the dot is rather weak (more of a pinkish dot than red). Haven't seen one mounted to an AR but in the Aug 06 issue of SAR there was a couple of pics of one mounted to the experimental Sidewinder smg, along with a Singlepoint equipped Sidewinder. The only way a Qwik-Point wouldn't look stupid would be on a flat top or gooseneck mount, neither being particularly retro. I'll probably use mine on a flat top 9mm upper & save my $$$ for an Armson or Singlepoint for my pseudo-retro 5.56 AR (modern lower, true A1 upper & furniture). |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 6:07:27 PM EDT
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Ekie,
The Subgun Match at the Soldier of Fortune Convention in 1980 or 1981 was won by a guy shooting an MP5 (with the early tropical handguards) equipped with an OEG in Armson's HK Mount. Pete Kokalis and SOF magazine donated OEGs to my battalion in El Salvador in 1983, but I had seen them before that. That's when I got hooked on them. I will see if I can get an exact date for you... Update...Glyn Bindon was visiting South Africa and met the developer of the original OEG which was in use at the time. The South African developer was looking for an importer for United States sales. Bindon was so impressed by the OEG that he started his own company (Armson) to import the OEG and it was the only product he carried in the United States from 1981 to 1985. So it was manufactured and in use in Africa in the late 70s and imported into the US officially in 1981. After getting an "exempt" license for tritium from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission he re-named his company as "Trijicon" |
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Posted: 4/7/2007 1:35:40 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info, some how I missed that post. Still suggest you start a OEG specific thread. There is probably more interest in the OEG then the SINGLEPOINT. |
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Posted: 4/7/2007 1:36:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/8/2007 9:53:19 AM EDT
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Will get some new pics and a write-up done in the next couple of weeks - as soon as it gets above freezing and the wind settles down to a mere howl.
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Posted: 4/8/2007 9:55:17 AM EDT
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Waiting for that "Global Warming" to kick in? |
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Posted: 6/11/2007 3:39:42 PM EDT
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Did you forget us UXB?
BTW, think this is a good price on an old Aimpoint?: gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=73315087 |
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Posted: 6/11/2007 4:05:17 PM EDT
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You suck, ekie!!
I'll post pics and my thoughts once I get my OEG from uxb  Should be some time next week.
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Posted: 6/11/2007 4:11:24 PM EDT
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Been looking for over a year, they go for around $100 on egay. Why anyone would pay $100 for an obsolete Aimpoint is beyond me. Here is one I was watching: cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330119971646&rd=1&rd=1
Cool beans. |
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Posted: 6/11/2007 4:18:36 PM EDT
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Here is mine.
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Posted: 6/11/2007 4:29:51 PM EDT
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Nah, "life" caught up with me...  Promise to start on it soon... |
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Posted: 6/11/2007 4:43:35 PM EDT
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+1 Don't know too much about them, but would like to. |
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Posted: 6/11/2007 7:40:21 PM EDT
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Major Meadows son was my LRS CO CDR.
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Posted: 6/25/2007 6:09:26 PM EDT
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Kinda tough to post after that one. Don't know what to say other then that is pretty darn cool. |
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Posted: 6/25/2007 6:15:30 PM EDT
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Got it today. Though it was supposed to be a 5000, I thought it might be a 3000 due to it's length. Turned out it was a 5000, with a long eye shade screwed into one end that made it look like a older longer model, I removed it. Also has a filter on the other end, perhaps a polarizing filter? I figure it is mid-90's, so it's most appropriate home is atop my retired veteran 1995 M4A1 parts kit:     
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Posted: 6/25/2007 6:45:25 PM EDT
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Got my Armson OEG from uxb a few days ago. Forgot to post pics. They're not real great, sorry about that. I'll take more pics tomorrow if you guys want. I really love this little sight. It's really ingenious
   
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Posted: 7/28/2007 7:19:57 PM EDT
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I hope this can go in a tacked sight/optic thread. Anyone know the current going rate for the Singlepoints now. I just had someone try to sell me one for a HUGE amount. |
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Posted: 7/28/2007 7:46:22 PM EDT
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Blanco, please do us all a favor and NEVER use that background again. Doc 
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Posted: 7/28/2007 8:42:54 PM EDT
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White Devil.............or Luau Devil?
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Posted: 8/27/2007 1:46:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2007 3:21:10 PM EDT
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I think I remember seeing a picture of one mounted on an M14 from a SEAL Take down team or something like that. FWIW, some guys have used aimpoints with the lense cap on so it didn't show off that red glow. That was directed to the person who posted they must not have worked too well. But to be honest, I've never tried it. |
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Posted: 9/13/2007 8:20:53 PM EDT
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You refering to these pics?:    Those are Aimpoint 3000 optics. They go for $100 plus on E-gay. Managed to finally snag one at a decent price: www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=79948774 So that now begs the question, does it go on my M14, or a A1, or A2 or what? |
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Posted: 9/14/2007 2:24:06 AM EDT
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Huh, forgot to put a couple of these up.
  
  My bad guys. I thought it'd be pretty unique.
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Posted: 9/15/2007 7:19:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2007 10:46:55 AM EDT
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Interesting. I can't help but compare my Commie Russian PK-01 (on my SKS here) to Ekie's pics of the Aimpoint. For those who care, it's a 30mm tube, 1.5moa self-dimming reticle, was shipped directly from Russia in it's plastic case, wrapped in brown paper and string, was on at the time and completely undamaged. I have still not changed the battery, although I'm sure it's weak. It came with caps. lens cleaning kit, range card for the AK-74U (In Russian) a camo PVC case, an AK side weaver mount with offset rings and a set of 30MM rings (seen in same pic) for $131 shipped from the Motherland. It's Mil-spec, which even Russians understood. People got shot if their weapons didn't work. Gee, I wonder where the Russians got the idea for a scope like this?
 I really like it. ETA : it too had the lense extension for daylight Ekie mentioned. Mine is on the scope. Excuse the cheesy mag. 
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Posted: 9/15/2007 9:08:45 PM EDT
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Your clones have reached an impeccable status. Only give away is the lack of a sear pin hole. Well, it could use a Defense Eagle stamp on the mag well. And thanks for bringing the thread back on topic, and I can't believe I missed that optic in the EE. |
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but there is an experimental "reflex" sight section in the book.