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Posted: 4/9/2011 8:18:47 AM EDT
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I'm not one but I had a few assigned to our platoon because they didn't have anything else for them to do. Don't expect to do your job. Don't expect anyone else to know how to properly use you. They tried to get our guys to go and clean up some white phosphorus in a mosque that was hit by a Taliban rocket. Not a Chem/Recce job, that's EOD. Try telling that to someone who has no clue what you do. Which is most of the army.
You might be called out to handle chemical spills. The only time the two 74D's with us ever did their job was two deployments ago when they're was some nitric acid found in Iraq. It could be used in IED manufacturing so they had to go clean up the spill. Wearing one of those suits in 120 degree heat sucks from what they say. I do appreciate you guys when you set up your showers so we can wash up for the first time in months though. |
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Posted: 4/9/2011 8:43:11 AM EDT
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You won't ever do your job and it's a been a non-promoting MOS for enlisted folks for many years. I know a guy who's been sitting at E-5P and the last 6 years.
Most of their time is spent helping other MOS's in the unit do their jobs, if their not in a strictly Chem unit. |
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Posted: 4/9/2011 3:28:22 PM EDT
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I am 74d in an actual Chem unit in the national guard. My unit is deploying as MPs if that tells you anything. Since there hasn't really been an actual chem attack since 2003 I thinly there isn't much call for a whole unit. My unit has a big decon mission for our civilian mission though.
Is she active or ng/reserves? I have done every level of the chemical job so you can pm me if you have more specific questions. |
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Posted: 4/9/2011 8:20:20 PM EDT
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echo most of the sentiments. My ANG unit was recon/ security when they deployed with our sister MP company in 05. Since then, they've been reclassed as a decon unit. I ,honestly, do not know what we actually do. ( i'm a radio guy) however the decon unit has been expanded to include a new Seach and Extraction platoon to be deployed in emergencies.
Sill is horrible. 95'th Adj Gen. Bn.. is purgatory.(DAFC isn't too shabby tho.) (3rd plt C. bat. 1/19 FA.class 07-10) she'll probably love Ft. Leonard Wood after 4 months in that barren shithole. the first female recruits to train at Ft Sill. were the class behind us in basic. |
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Posted: 4/9/2011 10:39:08 PM EDT
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I think that MOS is actually going away pretty soon, which would mean a forced reclass for her. If she ends up anywhere other than an actual chem unit, she will become "soldier, general purpose, ACU, 1 each". Lots of guard and TOC shifts, and she will probably spend her days either signing out computers in an MWR or escorting locals doing construction. If she ends up in a chem unit the entire unit will pretty much become something else. |
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Posted: 4/9/2011 10:42:15 PM EDT
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I do not like the idea of getting rid of the 74Ds.
If we ever get slimed we will need them. |
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Posted: 4/9/2011 10:45:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: I do not like the idea of getting rid of the 74Ds. If we ever get slimed we will need them. There are always EOD and tech escort units. We do a hundred times more CBRNE training than the 74's do. |
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Posted: 4/9/2011 10:49:57 PM EDT
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Can you decontaminate a BDE?
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Posted: 4/9/2011 11:00:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: Can you decontaminate a BDE? The tech escort units and WMD EOD units can. In the unlikely event that conventional conflict erupts with a superpower that has been secretely mass producing chem ordnance which is then able to contaminate an entire brigade's worth of troops and equipment there are units that are highly mobile and able to deal with it. Right now the 74D MOS is redundant and most of them haven't recieved an ounce of NBC training since basic. The days of large scale chem attacks are pretty much over so the ability for massive gross decon is not needed at the smaller echelons. The 30+ individually scattered 74D's in each brigade sure as hell can't deal with it and they are being wasted as such. |
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Posted: 4/10/2011 6:35:37 AM EDT
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Our NBC guys are TMDE bitches and PMCS masks.
And run the arms room. US troops haven't face a chemical threat since 1918. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be ready. |
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Posted: 4/10/2011 10:54:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: Our NBC guys are TMDE bitches and PMCS masks. And run the arms room. US troops haven't face a chemical threat since 1918. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be ready. We have, chem rounds are found all the time, along with the chlorine attacks in Iraq. In both situations the 74D's not part of tech escort units are virtually useless and it falls on EOD anyway. Almost the entire chemical threat comes from chemical UXO/ERW or IED dispersal. While the army is reducing the 74D MOS it is growing EOD, an enabler that is prepared to deal with not only the chemical aspect but the explosive part as well. |
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Posted: 4/10/2011 10:58:32 AM EDT
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What's your take on DPICM duds and the policy change that will ban CMs?
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Posted: 4/10/2011 11:09:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: What's your take on DPICM duds and the policy change that will ban CMs? The acceptable dud rate for submunitions is 10%, DPICM's are way below that, and they also have a self destruct. Im not aware of any policy changes to ban cluster munitions, but I think that would be a bad move, even considering that a field of dud submunitions is just about one of the worst scenarios I could possibly encounter. |
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Posted: 4/10/2011 11:13:18 AM EDT
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Have a look at this.
It's now under 1% including those munitions in which the SDF failed to arm, leaving the munition inactive. How do you find them? Do you have access to our logs? |
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Posted: 4/10/2011 11:59:16 AM EDT
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Quoted: Have a look at this. It's now under 1% including those munitions in which the SDF failed to arm, leaving the munition inactive. How do you find them? Do you have access to our logs? We come when called. Either somebody finds one or they send us out to do a range clearance for whatever reason. I have never personally worked with them in a non-training environment, quite possibly because they tend to function as designed. Ive only found a tiny bit of US submunitions over here, as opposed to the massive amounts of soviet duds ive had to dispose of. |
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Posted: 4/10/2011 12:15:06 PM EDT
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Quoted:
echo most of the sentiments. My ANG unit was recon/ security when they deployed with our sister MP company in 05. Since then, they've been reclassed as a decon unit. I ,honestly, do not know what we actually do. ( i'm a radio guy) however the decon unit has been expanded to include a new Seach and Extraction platoon to be deployed in emergencies. Sill is horrible. 95'th Adj Gen. Bn.. is purgatory.(DAFC isn't too shabby tho.) (3rd plt C. bat. 1/19 FA.class 07-10) she'll probably love Ft. Leonard Wood after 4 months in that barren shithole. the first female recruits to train at Ft Sill. were the class behind us in basic. I was 4th platoon Fox btry, 1/19FA. Oh she will love Fort Sill. The non-stop wind was my fav. |
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Posted: 4/10/2011 12:17:01 PM EDT
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We come when called. Either somebody finds one or they send us out to do a range clearance for whatever reason. I have never personally worked with them in a non-training environment, quite possibly because they tend to function as designed. Ive only found a tiny bit of US submunitions over here, as opposed to the massive amounts of soviet duds ive had to dispose of. They haven't been used in either theater since 2003, and they can't be used without the signature of the theater commander. So you won't see many. |
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Posted: 4/10/2011 12:17:31 PM EDT
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I was 4th platoon Fox btry, 1/19FA. Oh she will love Fort Sill. The non-stop wind was my fav. Fort Sill in the summer isn't bad. Winter... Different deal. |
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Posted: 4/11/2011 3:57:26 AM EDT
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There's a chemical company in my NG battalion. Stateside they train to their jobs, but they deployed in 2005 (OIF) as a light truck company.
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Posted: 4/11/2011 4:03:09 AM EDT
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NBC NCO = Company Trainging NCO/ ChemO = USR bitch
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Posted: 4/11/2011 4:57:58 AM EDT
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NBC NCO = Company Trainging NCO/ ChemO = USR bitch Sometimes. Our USR is done by S4. But then I'm in a pretty strange place. |
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Posted: 4/11/2011 10:03:25 AM EDT
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My unit trains half the time for our civilian decon mission and the other half is our army mission which is troop decon, recon, bio detection.
They are not getting rid of us. Ive received more civilian hazmat certifications than i know what to do with since basic/ait and not much more actual training on the army side |
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Posted: 4/11/2011 10:23:27 AM EDT
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Quoted:
My unit trains half the time for our civilian decon mission and the other half is our army mission which is troop decon, recon, bio detection. They are not getting rid of us. Ive received more civilian hazmat certifications than i know what to do with since basic/ait and not much more actual training on the army side I was a tech trained CBRNE -IST dick-weed at Ft. Knox. You can take them certifications and burn them. Don't mean shit. |
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Posted: 4/12/2011 1:29:33 PM EDT
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Quoted:
echo most of the sentiments. My ANG unit was recon/ security when they deployed with our sister MP company in 05. Since then, they've been reclassed as a decon unit. I ,honestly, do not know what we actually do. ( i'm a radio guy) however the decon unit has been expanded to include a new Seach and Extraction platoon to be deployed in emergencies. Sill is horrible. 95'th Adj Gen. Bn.. is purgatory.(DAFC isn't too shabby tho.) (3rd plt C. bat. 1/19 FA.class 07-10) she'll probably love Ft. Leonard Wood after 4 months in that barren shithole. the first female recruits to train at Ft Sill. were the class behind us in basic. You and I must have been at Sill around the same time, or they told everyone that the female recruits were brand new! I was there in the summer of '99, A 1/40 FA. |
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Posted: 4/25/2011 2:23:19 PM EDT
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Quoted:
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I do not like the idea of getting rid of the 74Ds. If we ever get slimed we will need them. There are always EOD and tech escort units. We do a hundred times more CBRNE training than the 74's do. Tech escort are 74d |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:30:14 AM EDT
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You will actually be a 42A, the 74D is your side job.
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Posted: 6/10/2011 9:13:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Our NBC guys are TMDE bitches and PMCS masks. And run the arms room. US troops haven't face a chemical threat since 1918. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be ready. We have, chem rounds are found all the time, along with the chlorine attacks in Iraq. In both situations the 74D's not part of tech escort units are virtually useless and it falls on EOD anyway. Almost the entire chemical threat comes from chemical UXO/ERW or IED dispersal. While the army is reducing the 74D MOS it is growing EOD, an enabler that is prepared to deal with not only the chemical aspect but the explosive part as well. Her career goal is to find an MOS that promotes and get to CWO and make a career. Can anyone speak up about that and give her some direction on which way to go from this MOS if they really are phasing it out, as a career soldier? With her being 34 right now, I'm almost afraid to tell her that it's going to be hard on her. I think the cutoff age is 45 for CWO and even though she has a degree and she's going in as an E4, I don't know if she'll have enough time in to make CWO. Any thoughts or advice welcome. Cheers.
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Posted: 6/10/2011 9:15:59 PM EDT
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My best friend reclassed to 74D, he's part of a homeland defense unit. He said they train to collect samples for the FBI and shit and all they do is train on going into fake meth labs. Didn't sound too cool.
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Posted: 6/12/2011 7:11:57 PM EDT
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I spent my entire career as a 54B/74D. I retired out of an artillery unit on Fort Sill and I still live nearby.
I won't comment on the state of chemical training, but I did get to play with (and do) lots of interesting stuff because I ended up in a variety of units, from combat arms to combat service support. Hands down, the best chem job is mech smoke, and that's where I spent about seven years. She needs to go warrant, 74D is a dead-end. |
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Posted: 6/12/2011 7:18:22 PM EDT
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Quoted:
My best friend reclassed to 74D, he's part of a homeland defense unit. He said they train to collect samples for the FBI and shit and all they do is train on going into fake meth labs. Didn't sound too cool. You might think it's strange, but if I could find a job cleaning up meth labs for a decent paycheck, I'd jump on it. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 2:36:30 PM EDT
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My Route Clearance Co. had one 74D guy on the roster. He ended up being an LNO back in Kandahar with our Battalion HQ since we had nowhere else to put him. About two months before we left country he came back and filled a hole in a line platoon.
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