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Posted: 1/17/2009 8:30:21 AM EDT
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the proper classification for small arms ammo?

Does it differ from black powder (I believe so).

I did some research and came up with this: Cameo Chemicals

Note the 'DOT Hazard Label: EXPLOSIVE 1.3G'

If one were to properly label their ammo, is this correct?

I also found this site: My Hazmat Placards

Anyone got a better source?

Link Posted: 1/17/2009 8:35:53 AM EDT
[#1]
Inert projectile? ––> Small Arms Ammunition ORM-D
Tracers?––> Explosive 1.4G
Link Posted: 1/17/2009 8:38:56 AM EDT
[#2]
IIRC it depends on how good your stash is. An ammo fort will fall in a different category than a few cases.

My UPS guy probably hates seeing ORM-D labeled boxes with my address, as that means another case of ammo he has to carry, but that doesn't mean he has to slap a placard on the back of the truck.
Link Posted: 1/17/2009 8:40:53 AM EDT
[#3]
ORM-D, small arms ammunition
Link Posted: 1/17/2009 8:44:22 AM EDT
[#4]
Link Posted: 1/17/2009 8:52:17 AM EDT
[#5]
ORM-D if under a certain weight.
Link Posted: 1/17/2009 8:54:34 AM EDT
[#6]
contraband.
Link Posted: 1/17/2009 9:08:32 AM EDT
[#7]
I am a HAZMAT shipping certifier, and I approve of this thread.

ORM-D if below limited quantity weight, Explosive 1.4S if above that weight.

I don't have my 49 CFR handy, so I can't tell you what that limited quantity weight is.
Link Posted: 1/17/2009 9:43:13 AM EDT
[#8]
It's 1.4S explosive.

Understand that ORM-D isn't a class.  The hazard class is 1.4.  ORM-D is an exception that allows small arms ammo that meets the below requirements to travel under the ORM-D rule.  Small arms ammo is and always has been considered 1.4 explosive (or class C explosive before the UN system, and still class C explosive under OSHA)

Small arms ammo can ship as ORM-D if it meets the following:

(b) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices. (1) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices (which are used to project fastening devices) which have been classed as a Division 1.4S explosive may be reclassed, offered for transportation, and transported as ORM-D material when packaged in accordance with paragraph (b)(2) of this section; such transportation is excepted from the requirements of subparts E (Labeling) and F (Placarding) of part 172 of this subchapter. Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices that may be shipped as ORM-D material is limited to:

(i) Ammunition for rifle, pistol or shotgun;

(ii) Ammunition with inert projectiles or blank ammunition;

(iii) Ammunition having no tear gas, incendiary, or detonating explosive projectiles;

(iv) Ammunition not exceeding 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol, cartridges or 8 gauge for shotshells; and

(v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices.

(2) Packaging for cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices as ORM-D material must be as follows:

(i) Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, or in partitions which fit snugly in the outside packaging, or in metal clips;

(ii) Primers must be protected from accidental initiation;

(iii) Inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packed in securely-closed strong outside packagings;

(iv) Maximum gross weight is limited to 30 kg (66 pounds) per package; and

(v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices and 22 caliber rim-fire cartridges may be packaged loose in strong outside packagings.

Link Posted: 1/17/2009 9:44:06 AM EDT
[#9]
double strike
Link Posted: 1/17/2009 9:47:34 AM EDT
[#10]
This. Atleast on the ORM-D, not sure about tracers.



Quoted:

Inert projectile? ––> Small Arms Ammunition ORM-D

Tracers?––> Explosive 1.4G




Link Posted: 1/17/2009 9:55:16 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
It's 1.4S explosive.

Understand that ORM-D isn't a class.  The hazard class is 1.4.  ORM-D is an exception that allows small arms ammo that meets the below requirements to travel under the ORM-D rule.  Small arms ammo is and always has been considered 1.4 explosive (or class C explosive before the UN system, and still class C explosive under OSHA)

Small arms ammo can ship as ORM-D if it meets the following:

(b) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices. (1) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices (which are used to project fastening devices) which have been classed as a Division 1.4S explosive may be reclassed, offered for transportation, and transported as ORM-D material when packaged in accordance with paragraph (b)(2) of this section; such transportation is excepted from the requirements of subparts E (Labeling) and F (Placarding) of part 172 of this subchapter. Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices that may be shipped as ORM-D material is limited to:

(i) Ammunition for rifle, pistol or shotgun;

(ii) Ammunition with inert projectiles or blank ammunition;

(iii) Ammunition having no tear gas, incendiary, or detonating explosive projectiles;

(iv) Ammunition not exceeding 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol, cartridges or 8 gauge for shotshells; and

(v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices.

(2) Packaging for cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices as ORM-D material must be as follows:

(i) Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, or in partitions which fit snugly in the outside packaging, or in metal clips;

(ii) Primers must be protected from accidental initiation;

(iii) Inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packed in securely-closed strong outside packagings;

(iv) Maximum gross weight is limited to 30 kg (66 pounds) per package; and

(v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices and 22 caliber rim-fire cartridges may be packaged loose in strong outside packagings.



Ross, you are the man. That looks like the proper classication to me.

But, the placard for Class 1.3 looks so much cooler with the explosion on it.

Also, I found this page: FedEx - Hazardous Material Shipping

It appears that Class 1.3 is prohibited so I guess ammo isn't 1.3 since FedEx ships it.



Link Posted: 1/17/2009 9:56:58 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
I am a HAZMAT shipping certifier, and I approve of this thread.

ORM-D if below limited quantity weight, Explosive 1.4S if above that weight.

I don't have my 49 CFR handy, so I can't tell you what that limited quantity weight is.


Thanks Unknown.

Link Posted: 1/17/2009 10:02:45 AM EDT
[#13]



Quoted:



It's 1.4S explosive.
(2) Packaging for cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices as ORM-D material must be as follows:





(i) Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, or in partitions which fit snugly in the outside packaging, or in metal clips;





(ii) Primers must be protected from accidental initiation;





(iii) Inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packed in securely-closed strong outside packagings;





(iv) Maximum gross weight is limited to 30 kg (66 pounds) per package; and





(v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices and 22 caliber rim-fire cartridges may be packaged loose in strong outside packagings.





So how does this work when I buy 500rds bulk 9mm and it comes packed loose in a can?
 
Link Posted: 1/17/2009 10:05:24 AM EDT
[#14]
Link Posted: 1/17/2009 10:22:22 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Inert projectile? ––> Small Arms Ammunition ORM-D
Tracers?––> Explosive 1.4G



Can I get a second on 1.4G for tracers?

What about black powder?


Link Posted: 1/18/2009 9:02:49 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Inert projectile? ––> Small Arms Ammunition ORM-D
Tracers?––> Explosive 1.4G



Can I get a second on 1.4G for tracers?

What about black powder?




Black powder is currently explosive category 1.1.
GOEX, Inc. is the only producer of black powder in North America.
GOEX, Inc. has began the process to attempt to have black powder reclassified from an category 1.1 explosive to a category 1.3 explosive, the same class as smokeless powder.
http://www.goexpowder.com/
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 11:53:00 PM EDT
[#17]
I wish them luck.
Link Posted: 1/19/2009 5:47:25 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
It's 1.4S explosive.

Understand that ORM-D isn't a class.  The hazard class is 1.4.  




ORM-D certainly is a DOT hazard class.  It's a holdover from the old hazard class system and is only used in domestic transportation.

In 1.4S, 1 is the hazard class, 4 is the division, and S is the compatability group.
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