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Posted: 7/4/2012 7:57:25 PM EDT
The two biggest reasons I hear are.
1.Weight. 2.Reliability. Truth to this?  |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 7:58:48 PM EDT
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I loved the M60 except when I had to lug that heavy bitch on a road march.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 7:59:19 PM EDT
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Complexity, early ones could be reassembled with parts in backwards, and then self-destruct.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:01:02 PM EDT
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I wish someone would build a semi auto one. There are semi auto ones out there buy they go for around $10,000.
If someone could get them out for $2k-$3k I'd be all over that. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:01:48 PM EDT
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Any weapon that has to have parts wired together does not inspire confidence.
And quit fooking up the feed tray. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:02:19 PM EDT
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weight really isnt a valid complaint considering this thing of absolute beauty replace it.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:02:56 PM EDT
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I watched one fubar itself in 1997 playing MILES with a local guard unit. When I read Unintended Consequences 10 years later, I just accepted all the comments about how crappy it was based on that one encounter.
I really don't know the first thing about the gun. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:03:03 PM EDT
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SEALs seem to like them, I guess everyone else is doing it wrong. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:03:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: weight really isnt a valid complaint considering this thing of absolute beauty replace it. I love that weapon! |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:04:53 PM EDT
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SEALs seem to like them, I guess everyone else is doing it wrong.
I believe the variant they use now is significantly different from the originals. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:04:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: SEALs seem to like them, I guess everyone else is doing it wrong. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:05:53 PM EDT
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SEALs seem to like them, I guess everyone else is doing it wrong.
I believe the variant they use now is significantly different from the originals. It is and I wish people would quit saying that. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:06:01 PM EDT
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Reliability.
Design was a friggin nightmare, and really, really could have been better executed. (Bipod on the barrel, instead of the receiver chunk,. meaning you carried a bipod for each barrel, making it heavier) Thats pretty much it. The 60 was replaced by the MAG58 for a reason. . . . |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:07:23 PM EDT
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It was heavy to lug.
I never had a problem with reliability, if maintained properly. The biggest issues I remember were guys trying to close the feed-tray cover on a closed bolt which fucked up the mechanism. And putting the gas piston in backwards, which turned it into a single shot. I don't remember what else you could put together backwards. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:11:31 PM EDT
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It was heavy, the ammunition was heavy, and in my admittedly limited experience, it was not happy if the belts were jacked around. Again, limited experience, but it was best to just feed the rounds from the box, and not try to lay them out at the ready ahead of time, if you had a choice.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:11:35 PM EDT
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I wish someone would build a semi auto one. There are semi auto ones out there buy they go for around $10,000. If someone could get them out for $2k-$3k I'd be all over that. You can build a semi-auto for about $5-6K. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:16:28 PM EDT
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SEALs seem to like them, I guess everyone else is doing it wrong.
I believe the variant they use now is significantly different from the originals. The feed cover is the biggest improvement, solid billet vs. stamped sheet metal. Why this is so big, is that you alway see some grunt loading the weapon and using his fist to slam down the cover, well...all the feed arms are in there. The sheet metal cover gets bent and the feed arms as well and the gun is fucked up. 
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:17:45 PM EDT
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At about $45,000 Civie price each, it ain't worth it.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:21:10 PM EDT
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its only the gas system nut that gets wired on so it doesn't vibrate loose. i never thought of that as any kind of issue
to call the gun a POS. i wire tie my grips on my dirtbikes. and other parts. Quoted:
Any weapon that has to have parts wired together does not inspire confidence. And quit fooking up the feed tray. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:23:06 PM EDT
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Cause you can't GET SOME without one. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:23:44 PM EDT
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The two biggest reasons I hear are. 1.Weight. 2.Reliability. Never had any issues with a 60. You just have to know what makes it tick. It is an absolute breeze to fire well, could probably take my scared of guns kid sister off the street and teach her to fire expert in less than an hour. A 240 is put together better though. New versions of the 240 and other light machine guns are lighter than the 60. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:24:07 PM EDT
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I wish someone would build a semi auto one. There are semi auto ones out there buy they go for around $10,000. If someone could get them out for $2k-$3k I'd be all over that. You can build a semi-auto for about $5-6K. I might have to do that. If it turns out to be a piece of shit I can always turn it in at a gun buy back program. 
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:24:55 PM EDT
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They are so shitty they dont even belong in a garbage can that is why I turned in mine for $100 when I saw a no questions asked buy back in Chicago!
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:26:26 PM EDT
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I'm a fan of it.
Only had the good fortune to shoot it once though. And by once I mean like 10 rounds. I was kinda pissed. 
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:31:57 PM EDT
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I wish someone would build a semi auto one. There are semi auto ones out there buy they go for around $10,000. If someone could get them out for $2k-$3k I'd be all over that. You can build a semi-auto for about $5-6K. I might have to do that. If it turns out to be a piece of shit I can always turn it in at a gun buy back program. You can buy almost all the parts off of Gunbroker, then take it to someone like Mario at Piece of History Firearms to do the mods. Semi-M60 GTG. US Ordnance used to sell semi's from time to time, for around $6-$8k. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:32:21 PM EDT
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Slightly more than that in Basic. Maybe 20 rounds. Period. I'm a fan of it. Only had the good fortune to shoot it once though. And by once I mean like 10 rounds. I was kinda pissed. 
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:35:02 PM EDT
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Slightly more than that in Basic. Maybe 20 rounds. Period. I'm a fan of it. Only had the good fortune to shoot it once though. And by once I mean like 10 rounds. I was kinda pissed.
Good to know. I feel less shafted. Thanks! |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:44:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Slightly more than that in Basic. Maybe 20 rounds. Period. I'm a fan of it. Only had the good fortune to shoot it once though. And by once I mean like 10 rounds. I was kinda pissed. Good to know. I feel less shafted. Thanks! In my opinion, in all services, basic training should include an issue of a full case of rifle ammo to each recruit. You can't graduate from basic until you've shot up the entire case AND have scored marksman at the very minimum. Expert preferred. I like the Marines' approach: Every Marine is a rifleman first. No matter what your MOS, every Marine can pick up a rifle and defend the position. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:44:35 PM EDT
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M60E3 was outstanding ! I for one am sick of hearing people say it was shit. Reminds me of the retards that said the AR was shit.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:49:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: SEALs seem to like them, I guess everyone else is doing it wrong. I believe the variant they use now is significantly different from the originals. It is and I wish people would quit saying that. It's a MK43. Used to be standard for Seabees, too. I liked it. No me gusta humping a 240. I like the bolt group on the 240, though. Stays in on piece, won't come apart or bite you. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:56:49 PM EDT
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Fine sand and dust in the mechanism could bring the M60 to a halt. This was a major factor in the Israeli Defense Force declining to adopt the M60 in favor for the FN MAG. *
*from the internet somewhere... |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 9:03:52 PM EDT
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Never had a problem running thousands of blanks and live rounds.
Killed a Cobra during an ARTEP one time in Germany with a Pig. 
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Posted: 7/4/2012 9:04:38 PM EDT
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We had 48 M60Ds and 4 M60s. The biggest problem we had were the bolt head lugs chipping and the part of the operating rod that held the bolt assy would get gouged. With aerial gunnery and monthly ranges, we'd put about 2,000 rds through each M60 and at least 200 out of each M60D every year. Never had a problem with receiver stretch, but always heard third hand stories about it.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 9:13:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_x-vCeJd1Av0/TCzRRGAbPxI/AAAAAAAACHg/lOW57sy-eRo/s1600/full-metal-jacket%5B1%5D.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aJYN_Ye7sA4/T2-mepiT5NI/AAAAAAAAApI/mSMEQfn7H_s/s1600/full-metal-jacket-tim-colceri1.jpg Cause you can't GET SOME without one. second pic: he was originally supposed to be the DI in the first part of the movie  |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 9:20:16 PM EDT
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Other than the damn weight, I liked it alot.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 9:23:14 PM EDT
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Weight is not an issue, people forget it replaced the 1919. I humped one for over a year it is heavy when you traded an m16 for it. Reliability sucked at times it should have been an MG-3 from the Germans . Yes gas piston is an issue , if you know your gun it is not. The trigger group can fall off and the gun will run until the ammo ends. Bolts will fail at the lug . Buy time the E-3 and E-4 version was introduced it was long in tooth and .
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Posted: 7/4/2012 9:37:59 PM EDT
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I loved the M60 except when I had to lug that heavy bitch on a road march. I was on 0351 but I believe the m240 weighs bout 27 lbs, just a smidge more. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 9:44:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: M60E3 was outstanding ! I for one am sick of hearing people say it was shit. Reminds me of the retards that said the AR was shit. I loved shooting the E3 |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 9:45:57 PM EDT
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Never had any major issues, I just remember it seemed a little more complex than the 240
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Posted: 7/4/2012 10:32:09 PM EDT
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There was a vietnam bring back at the workshop i did my apprenticeship at(nz army) it had "OH BABY DONNA" scratched into the top cover by its opperator, we had L7A2 (mag 58) and brens all over the place but all the snotty apprentices loved that M60, doing the rambo style fire from the hip nonsense. good times ! but we quickly learned that lying down doing short bursts was the way to win fire fights but you sure didnt look as cool as rambo
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Posted: 7/4/2012 10:56:55 PM EDT
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My pig belched out all of it's ammo everytime I pulled the trigger - and it wasn't too damn heavy.
Pic related - me with my M60. 
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Posted: 7/4/2012 10:59:31 PM EDT
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My pig belched out all of it's ammo everytime I pulled the trigger - and it wasn't too damn heavy. Pic related - me with my M60. http://i48.tinypic.com/4juzpd.jpg Still got an 18" attaching strap hooked to the ruck? 
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Posted: 7/4/2012 11:04:35 PM EDT
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My pig belched out all of it's ammo everytime I pulled the trigger - and it wasn't too damn heavy. Pic related - me with my M60. http://i48.tinypic.com/4juzpd.jpg Still got an 18" attaching strap hooked to the ruck? We had 15' lowering lines, H-harnesses and M1950s. Unless my memory is failing, I don't think we had 18" attaching straps. I could easily be wrong though. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 11:26:52 PM EDT
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My pig belched out all of it's ammo everytime I pulled the trigger - and it wasn't too damn heavy. Pic related - me with my M60. http://i48.tinypic.com/4juzpd.jpg Still got an 18" attaching strap hooked to the ruck? We had 15' lowering lines, H-harnesses and M1950s. Unless my memory is failing, I don't think we had 18" attaching straps. I could easily be wrong though. Hooked the H Harness onto the D Rings of the parachute. Two 18" straps, put a quick release in them, and pull them both at the same time or you're riding your ruck in. You still have one(looks like) clipped to your ruck. ETA: we stopped jumping the H Harness in 95ish. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 11:50:22 PM EDT
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OH, that M60!
The way that cannon is bouncing up and down is rather phallic............................... ________________________________________________________________________________________ ("THE Simon Templar?"––Amos Kline "Well, if there is more than one of us, I am he."––The Saint, (w,stte), "The Fiction Makers") |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 12:04:15 AM EDT
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I've heard mixed reviews.
I hear some 60 Vets say the Pig operated like a sewing machine. I've heard others say it was a piece of shit. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 12:28:14 AM EDT
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Mine ran like a champ and I loved it.
My buddy's was a jam-a -matic and he hated it. Go figure...
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Posted: 7/5/2012 1:30:25 AM EDT
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Never been in the military, but I did pick one up at a base open house, I wouldn't want to carry it very far, that thing was heavy just by itself, with no ammo or spare barrel.
I see that Rambo had no problem firing the M60 in the movie Rambo I, when he thoroughly trashed Murdock's office.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:15:17 AM EDT
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I've carried a M60, M60 E4 and a M240B. i've shot the M240L a little. I'll take the M60 E4 any day.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:31:04 AM EDT
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IMHO it looks like another example of the US reinventing the wheel. Couldn't we have just went with a reworked MG42 in 7.62 NATO
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:50:28 AM EDT
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I wish someone would build a semi auto one. There are semi auto ones out there buy they go for around $10,000. If someone could get them out for $2k-$3k I'd be all over that. You can build a semi-auto for about $5-6K. I might have to do that. If it turns out to be a piece of shit I can always turn it in at a gun buy back program. You can buy almost all the parts off of Gunbroker, then take it to someone like Mario at Piece of History Firearms to do the mods. Semi-M60 GTG. US Ordnance used to sell semi's from time to time, for around $6-$8k. "Desert Ordnance" sells the US Ord semi M60s now for around $13k. Of course, for about the same price you could get a semi M240 from OOW. |
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