Posted: 4/1/2025 12:49:27 PM EDT
| I am an old school Marine (see 92-2000) and I ran irons on everything up until we started using ACOG's in the late 90's on a few specific rifles we had dedicated for stuff like MIOGOPLAT ops, etc. FFWD and I run optics on just about everything I have and I have BUIS on all my rifles, but I admit I don't train with them. So I was curious, who does? As a civie who only trains to keep themselves sharp and have a hobby I am familiar with, why do I even have BUIS? Not all of my optics run on a quick release mount, so unless I have offset irons, I imagine I'd be fuct if my optic went down at a critical moment and I had to just wing it. Looking for input or let's just argue about it. Go. |
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Originally Posted By MK19: I am an old school Marine (see 92-2000) and I ran irons on everything up until we started using ACOG's in the late 90's on a few specific rifles we had dedicated for stuff like MIOGOPLAT ops, etc. FFWD and I run optics on just about everything I have and I have BUIS on all my rifles, but I admit I don't train with them. So I was curious, who does? As a civie who only trains to keep themselves sharp and have a hobby I am familiar with, why do I even have BUIS? Not all of my optics run on a quick release mount, so unless I have offset irons, I imagine I'd be fuct if my optic went down at a critical moment and I had to just wing it. Looking for input or let's just argue about it. Go. Do you train with your BUIS? One of my ARs has Offset Irons, so I can easily switch back and fourth. I usually use the Irons for anything in real close, the scope for targets a bit further out. |
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| I wouldn’t necessarily say I train with it, but every time I take a rifle or handgun that has BUIS to the range, I shoot between 2-5 rounds with them to make sure they are still on. |
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I was primarily an iron sight guy until 45. Then my eyesight started changing. Ran BUIS on my first optics... and quickly realized that running irons was a cave man endeavor that put me at a disadvantage (speed, limited lighting conditions, no magnification). By the time you turn 50, BUIS start looking really blurry on a carbine. I don't know how much training with BUIS would be helpful to me at this point. Jeff has some thoughts on offset optics:  Shaffer offset mount and why prisms may be a better option than LPVOs. |
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Having trained to do point shooting on rifles, I would say that while this kind of thing is unconventional, it is not a waste of time: Range Time | Carbine Natural Point Of Aim Army manuals describe "Quick Kill" (TT23-71-1) methods such as "Aimed" and "Pointed" "Quick Fire" (FM 3-22.9). These methods were used by SpecOps during Vietnam Effectiveness of Quick Fire. Quick-fire techniques are appropriate for soldiers, who are presented with close, suddenly appearing, surprise enemy targets; or when close engagement is imminent. Fire may be delivered in the SEMIAUTO or AUTOMATIC/BURST mode. For example, a point man in a patrol may carry the weapon on AUTOMATIC/BURST. This may also be required when clearing a room or bunker. Initial training should be in the SAFE mode. Two techniques of delivering quick fire are: (1) Aimed. When presented with a target, the soldier brings the rifle up to his shoulder and quickly fires a single shot. His firing eye looks through or just over the rear sight aperture. He uses the front sight post to aim at the target (Figure 7-15). Using this technique, a target at 25 meters or less may be accurately engaged in one second or less. (2) Pointed. When presented with a target, the soldier keeps the rifle at his side and quickly fires a single shot or burst. He keeps both eyes open and uses his instinct and peripheral vision to line up the rifle with the target (Figure 7-16). Using this technique, a target at 15 meters or less may be engaged in less than one second. |
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