Posted: 12/4/2008 6:53:33 PM EDT
So i understand the use of it and why its done. But what is the proper procedure? I.E. should the replacement(full) mag be held with the finger tips and the old mag be grabbed by the palm or the other way around? or does it not matter and im just a huge  ?
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| You probably want your spent mag to drop free so you don't have to touch it. You want to push the button and be grabbing the new mag to insert it while the old mag drops free on its own. Ofcourse n a competition you may not be able to abandon a partially loaded mag. |
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You probably want your spent mag to drop free so you don't have to touch it. You want to push the button and be grabbing the new mag to insert it while the old mag drops free on its own. Ofcourse n a competition you may not be able to abandon a partially loaded mag. Yeah i agree, but i meant when exchanging a half spent mag for a full one with the intention of retaining the old mag that still has some ammo. |
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By tactical reload do you mean at some point you have two mags in your hand?
I've been taught not to do them. 1) Either drop the mag to the ground and insert a new one (combat reload) if SHTF or 2) "Mag Change With Retention." Take the mag out of the weapon, place it in a dump pouch, etc. then put another mag in the weapon. This is done behind cover, etc. Two mags in your hand at one time is pointless, IMHO Some guys teach the technique, but I think it's flawed. YMMV |
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By tactical reload do you mean at some point you have two mags in your hand? I've been taught not to do them. 1) Either drop the mag to the ground and insert a new one (combat reload) if SHTF or 2) "Mag Change With Retention." Take the mag out of the weapon, place it in a dump pouch, etc. then put another mag in the weapon. This is done behind cover, etc. Two mags in your hand at one time is pointless, IMHO Some guys teach the technique, but I think it's flawed. YMMV Ok, thats what i was thinking. Im no operator or anything i was just fooling around and also found it to be very cumbersome. I was askign to see if there was a way that its supposed to be done or not. |
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Trying to do a "tactical" reload with two mags in one hand (partial that just came out, full about to go in) is difficult enough with smaller pistol mags, gets even tougher with rifle mags. Yes it can be done, especially under controlled range conditions and practice. But in the stress and confusion of a real fight, I don't think most people will do it well.
With pistol or rifle, I teach that a tactical reload should only be done when you have plenty of time, and preferably behind cover. You remove the partial mag and place in a pocket, then get a full one and insert. If you think you might not have enough time to do that, it means you need to do a speed reload and let the partial mag hit the dirt. Maybe pick up and check that partial mag if you still have time, but don't get distracted by it. |
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Quoted:I teach that a tactical reload should only be done when you have plenty of time, and preferably behind cover. You remove the partial mag and place in a pocket, then get a full one and insert. If you think you might not have enough time to do that, it means you need to do a speed reload and let the partial mag hit the dirt. Maybe pick up and check that partial mag if you still have time, but don't get distracted by it.
That's what I was thinking. No pro here either, just was thinking that a "tactical reload" was to only be done with adequate time AND cover. Otherwise forget about changing a partial mag shoot till its empty and do a speed load. |
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The only viable technique that I've seen (10 8 Carbine Course I atended) was to bring up the new mag and place it next to your still locked in place mag into an "L" shape.
Like the old Uzi clamps that IDF used to use. The new mag had the rounds facing forward, bullets down. You would have both mags right next to each other with your hand cupping around the two. Press mag release and rotate new mag up into mag well, push pull and you're ready. However, I usually go with the idea of cover, release mag into hand, place in dump pouch, retrieve new mag school. I thought of it as another tool... |
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Yes that is the correct procedure. Or if you have the dual magazine holder. Military and Law enforcement are different in this situation. Law enforcement like retention of the magazine. Military not always the case. You have a magazine that holds thirty rounds. In a major SHTF situation can you keep up with how many rounds you spent.
Another procedure can be for faster transition though. Since the m4 really only needs one finger activation to release the magazine. With that in mind...... Now you have fired rounds. You have an idea of how many rounds and its time for a tactical reload/emergency reload. With the extra five or ten rounds in the magazine; before dropping the magazine you should know how your vest, thigh, whatever you use rig is set up. Reach for you vest mag, Release magazine, the weight of those rounds *"should"* cause the magazine to drop from the well. Insert other magazine. Remember you should have round in chamber already so no charging of the bolt should be needed. Also when the magazine is dropped for some reason you need to fire you have that one round in the chamber. I have done several tests with multiple firearms on rounds in magazines. In a few tests the first round was tight. Your loading 30+1 in a rifle. Although a magazine loaded with 29 would cycle fine. Different magazines might produce different outcomes. KNOW YOUR EQUIPMENT. PRACTICE,PRACTICE,PRACTICE PISS POOR PRACTICE MAKES PISS POOR PREFORMANCE |