Posted: 2/23/2009 5:33:33 AM EDT
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Ok, this one has me stumped.
I was flipping through one of Massad Ayoob's books that a friend of mine left over here, and was reading a bit about the different stances. When he mentioned that shooters with elbow problems were at a disadvantage with the Isosceles stance, it got me thinking because my girlfriend has a condition where she is unable to extend her arms completely straight. With that in mind, I read through his other comments on the other stances, noting that he remarked the Weaver stance (and, I would assume by extension, the Chapman) is more difficult to handle recoil for shooters with less muscle mass/tone in their upper bodies. My girlfriend is 5'5" and weighs about 120, and doesn't have a lot of upper-body strength. Obviously the upper-body strength is something to work on, but any suggestions on a grip/stance or some sort of modification that she could learn? She's just starting to get into shooting and has only shot once before, so I'd like to be able to teach her from the beginning with something that's going to work well for her, rather than teach something she'll have to unlearn later. |
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I'm not sure anyone teaches locked elbow Isosceles anymore. Have her try Iso with arms bent. Like this http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/30/a4/d308228348a0cfe497e70110._AA150_.L.jpg Gringop +1 Brian is the man. check out Todd Jarrett..... Todd Jarret |
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I was kind of thinking about that, but I wasn't sure if that would accentuate recoil even more so than the Weaver. I've grown up shooting handguns with a Weaver stance (or one-handed), so I'm entering territory unfamiliar to me. No one ever totally defeats recoil, they just learn to manage it. Let her shoot 22s or a medium to full sized 9 (no compacts or snubbies) until she has mastered it. Weight forward, Nose over Toes, is important, especialy for smaller folks. Forget about reading old Ayoob books and look at the Jarret vid, or the Enos book or "Shooting From Within" by Plaxco. Even though these books are more advanced and concentrate on shooting games, the stance, grip and movement and shooting info is top notch. Take the legal and self-defense stuff from Ayoob and the shooting stuff from the other books and you will be good to go. Gringop |
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I don't fight the recoil. I will naturally incorporate it in my shooting. For example, when I switch targets, I will perform that action during recoil.
Only time, I will force myself to fight the recoil is for double taps and continuous fire. It will feel naturally only after a while and stances help quite a bit, but I don't picture myself in such stance if I am defending myself in various environments. But for beginner shooters, stance is very important. I like that book from Brian Enos, but have learned more from Todd Jarrett videos as I see him moving as well. |
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Fundamentals.
On one of my CHP courses, the instructor stated that he found it easiest to explain it this way: "Imagine a little child running at you full speed. Most people will bend their knees slightly, and extend their arms to catch the incoming little one. Take that stance, put your hands together to hold a pistol, and point that at the target." Most people got it right away with that explanation. It also seemed that new shooters in the class had a better idea what to expect at the range all of a sudden. Weird how analogies work sometimes. Then comes the proper grip, which can go a long way to dealing with recoil. |
+1 Isoceles FTW 
There is a pretty good youTube video of Chris Costa from Magpul Dynamics demoing from the holster to Isoceles shooting stance. Magpul teaches a pretty exaggeratted rolling forward of the shoulders and "punching the gun out" but you don't need to have your arms locked unnaturally. |