Posted: 8/2/2011 12:44:35 PM EDT
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I got my ballot in the mail today and also an email form a fellow at my shooting club saying to NOT vote for Voigt, but with no explanation. How to choose? |
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I got my ballot in the mail today and also an email form a fellow at my shooting club saying to NOT vote for Voigt, but with no explanation. How to choose? I am voting against Voigt just based on the horrible way the nationals ceremony was run last year. It was pathetic. He was 2 hours late, he handed out the wrong trophies to top shooters, he has NO command presence, and the prize table was run better at my local state matches. On top of all that, the DIRECTOR shot the match and picked up something off the prize table. WTF? Goodbye Mike. You've done great things for USPSA in the last few years, but it's time for you to go. I believe Phil Strader will do an excellent job, as he has done wonders for bringing Area 4 back into its hayday of great matches. Doc |
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I can tell you who I won't be voting for, Phil Strader. He has made some comments in the past that I just can not give a pass on. +1 +2 He's an appeaser. He has lobbied for a switch to the "classic" target because it's more PC without a upper A/B zone. Some people just don't get that the anti's don't care what we're shooting at, they just don't want us shooting. |
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Quoted:On top of all that, the DIRECTOR shot the match and picked up something off the prize table. WTF?
Did the director earn the prize? Agreed. RO's work the match and often have their own prize table if they get to shoot it which in a lot of Area's gets more than a little fishy. If ANYONE shoots the match, they have just as much a right to the prize table as anyone else. Rich |
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Did the director earn the prize? Agreed. RO's work the match and often have their own prize table if they get to shoot it which in a lot of Area's gets more than a little fishy. If ANYONE shoots the match, they have just as much a right to the prize table as anyone else. Rich Agreed .... however, if the piece of the Superbowl of matches is run like shit because the director is off fucking around instead of running the match like he is supposed to be ....... it seems a little asinine. We pay you to run the nationals and the organization, not shoot your own match. Doc |
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I got my ballot in the mail today and also an email form a fellow at my shooting club saying to NOT vote for Voigt, but with no explanation. How to choose? I voted for Voigt, because he hasn't given me any reason not to. I am happy with the direction of the sport and think he has done fine. |
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I got my ballot in the mail today and also an email form a fellow at my shooting club saying to NOT vote for Voigt, but with no explanation. How to choose? I am voting against Voigt just based on the horrible way the nationals ceremony was run last year. It was pathetic. He was 2 hours late, he handed out the wrong trophies to top shooters, he has NO command presence, and the prize table was run better at my local state matches. On top of all that, the DIRECTOR shot the match and picked up something off the prize table. WTF? Goodbye Mike. You've done great things for USPSA in the last few years, but it's time for you to go. I believe Phil Strader will do an excellent job, as he has done wonders for bringing Area 4 back into its hayday of great matches. Doc I'd be happy if they knocked $50 off the cost of the match and did away with the whole prize table and ceremony. |
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We pay you to run the nationals and the organization, not shoot your own match. Doc Do they get paid to run the show? I always thought these events were volunteer supported. USPSA has less than 20K active members in the country. Michael Voight is a salaried employee of USPSA. Doc |
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Quoted:On top of all that, the DIRECTOR shot the match and picked up something off the prize table. WTF?
Did the director earn the prize? Agreed. RO's work the match and often have their own prize table if they get to shoot it which in a lot of Area's gets more than a little fishy. If ANYONE shoots the match, they have just as much a right to the prize table as anyone else. Rich Agreed .... however, if the piece of the Superbowl of matches is run like shit because the director is off fucking around instead of running the match like he is supposed to be ....... it seems a little asinine. We pay you to run the nationals and the organization, not shoot your own match. Doc Sounds like a new volunteer just threw his hat in the ring. I don't know what he was doing as to why he was late. I'd say it's arrogant presumption to say he was not doing anything other than not being their on time, unless you know for sure and more than a little small. The President isn't the Match Director of Nationals. He's heads the ship but like anyone else, delegates. Obviously you've got some kind of axe to grind and if it's only for being late, I'd say there's other things to be concerned about. Ever think he was doing interviews for Shooting USA, Shooting Gallery, ASTN, Front Sight, et. al.? Just saying that there might be an alternative and just saying that someone did a crappy job without saying why and confirming why is less than productive to the discussion. Rich |
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well, I'm ready to say forget it. I've spent several hours digging around on the net and USPSA's website and cannot find ANY candidate information. why hold an election if there is no way to differentiate? Quoted: Quoted: I got my ballot in the mail today and also an email form a fellow at my shooting club saying to NOT vote for Voigt, but with no explanation. How to choose? Do some research and make a informed choice, or find a loves me not flower. |
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Did the director earn the prize? Agreed. RO's work the match and often have their own prize table if they get to shoot it which in a lot of Area's gets more than a little fishy. If ANYONE shoots the match, they have just as much a right to the prize table as anyone else. Rich Agreed .... however, if the piece of the Superbowl of matches is run like shit because the director is off fucking around instead of running the match like he is supposed to be ....... it seems a little asinine. We pay you to run the nationals and the organization, not shoot your own match. Doc Sounds like a new volunteer just threw his hat in the ring. I don't know what he was doing as to why he was late. I'd say it's arrogant presumption to say he was not doing anything other than not being their on time, unless you know for sure and more than a little small. The President isn't the Match Director of Nationals. He's heads the ship but like anyone else, delegates. Obviously you've got some kind of axe to grind and if it's only for being late, I'd say there's other things to be concerned about. Ever think he was doing interviews for Shooting USA, Shooting Gallery, ASTN, Front Sight, et. al.? Just saying that there might be an alternative and just saying that someone did a crappy job without saying why and confirming why is less than productive to the discussion. Rich Okay I'll list my complaints: 1. The awards ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2000 hours. He arrived at 2130 hours and began at 2200. He offered no excuses or reason for his lateness. 2. He began speaking so softly that people in the back who were carrying on conversations were loud enough to talk over him. He had NO command presence, and no excitement or fanfare while handing out awards. People worked damn hard to be up on the podium. You could have a little class and show them the respect they deserve. 3. He handed out *5* trophies to the WRONG PEOPLE. Literally, he called someone up and said "Here ya go, congrats". Ten seconds later "Uh, can you come back up here? I gave you the wrong trophy". Seriously? 4. He gave out blatantly wrong instructions as to how to go about the prize table, which caused multiple people to not go in the order they should have to receive their prize. It was pathetic, and if he was "too tired" from shooting the match to put on a good ceremony ... perhaps he should not be in charge of it, or perhaps he should hire someone else to do it. Nationals is the 'super bowl' of our sport. The match was fantastic, why the hell was the award ceremony an afterthought?? Doc |
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well, I'm ready to say forget it. I've spent several hours digging around on the net and USPSA's website and cannot find ANY candidate information. why hold an election if there is no way to differentiate? Do you not get Front Sight? There has been many submissions by the candidates in the last few issues. |
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well, I'm ready to say forget it. I've spent several hours digging around on the net and USPSA's website and cannot find ANY candidate information. why hold an election if there is no way to differentiate? Quoted:
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I got my ballot in the mail today and also an email form a fellow at my shooting club saying to NOT vote for Voigt, but with no explanation. How to choose? Do some research and make a informed choice, or find a loves me not flower. The last Front Sight had candidate statements in it. |
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Did the director earn the prize? Agreed. RO's work the match and often have their own prize table if they get to shoot it which in a lot of Area's gets more than a little fishy. If ANYONE shoots the match, they have just as much a right to the prize table as anyone else. Rich Agreed .... however, if the piece of the Superbowl of matches is run like shit because the director is off fucking around instead of running the match like he is supposed to be ....... it seems a little asinine. We pay you to run the nationals and the organization, not shoot your own match. Doc Sounds like a new volunteer just threw his hat in the ring. I don't know what he was doing as to why he was late. I'd say it's arrogant presumption to say he was not doing anything other than not being their on time, unless you know for sure and more than a little small. The President isn't the Match Director of Nationals. He's heads the ship but like anyone else, delegates. Obviously you've got some kind of axe to grind and if it's only for being late, I'd say there's other things to be concerned about. Ever think he was doing interviews for Shooting USA, Shooting Gallery, ASTN, Front Sight, et. al.? Just saying that there might be an alternative and just saying that someone did a crappy job without saying why and confirming why is less than productive to the discussion. Rich Okay I'll list my complaints: 1. The awards ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2000 hours. He arrived at 2130 hours and began at 2200. He offered no excuses or reason for his lateness. 2. He began speaking so softly that people in the back who were carrying on conversations were loud enough to talk over him. He had NO command presence, and no excitement or fanfare while handing out awards. People worked damn hard to be up on the podium. You could have a little class and show them the respect they deserve. 3. He handed out *5* trophies to the WRONG PEOPLE. Literally, he called someone up and said "Here ya go, congrats". Ten seconds later "Uh, can you come back up here? I gave you the wrong trophy". Seriously? 4. He gave out blatantly wrong instructions as to how to go about the prize table, which caused multiple people to not go in the order they should have to receive their prize. It was pathetic, and if he was "too tired" from shooting the match to put on a good ceremony ... perhaps he should not be in charge of it, or perhaps he should hire someone else to do it. Nationals is the 'super bowl' of our sport. The match was fantastic, why the hell was the award ceremony an afterthought?? Doc Mike Voight wasn't the Match Director at the Handgun Nationals last year. Check the last page of the match handbooks. http://www.nroi.org/nationals/images/OpenL10Nationals.pdf http://www.nroi.org/nationals/images/LPRNationals.pdf I've been to the award "ceremony" before Mike was Pres and while he was Pres. It's never been a smooth show. |
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no, I opted not to get the magazine for a lower price. Most of the articles have no relevance for me. those candidate submissions should be publicly available on the website. They would probably be found in the "Election Forum" at USPSA.org |
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did you look there? Nothing but 20 posts from Alan Meek. If that's all there is, I'm voting for him. he at least made an attempt to earn my vote I know Alan and he's a good guy here in Area 8. I'm a fairly new member to USPSA as well, and I can't in good conscience cast a vote this year because I could only vote for the one guy I know anything about and that's not an educated vote. I intend to make it a point to keep my proverbial ear to the ground prior to the next election so that I can make an informed choice about who will best organize, advance and promote our sport. If you opt NOT to vote this year, don't feel bad, just make it a point to have the knowledge to vote intelligently next election. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:On top of all that, the DIRECTOR shot the match and picked up something off the prize table. WTF? Did the director earn the prize? Agreed. RO's work the match and often have their own prize table if they get to shoot it which in a lot of Area's gets more than a little fishy. If ANYONE shoots the match, they have just as much a right to the prize table as anyone else. Rich Agreed .... however, if the piece of the Superbowl of matches is run like shit because the director is off fucking around instead of running the match like he is supposed to be ....... it seems a little asinine. We pay you to run the nationals and the organization, not shoot your own match. Doc Sounds like a new volunteer just threw his hat in the ring. I don't know what he was doing as to why he was late. I'd say it's arrogant presumption to say he was not doing anything other than not being their on time, unless you know for sure and more than a little small. The President isn't the Match Director of Nationals. He's heads the ship but like anyone else, delegates. Obviously you've got some kind of axe to grind and if it's only for being late, I'd say there's other things to be concerned about. Ever think he was doing interviews for Shooting USA, Shooting Gallery, ASTN, Front Sight, et. al.? Just saying that there might be an alternative and just saying that someone did a crappy job without saying why and confirming why is less than productive to the discussion. Rich Voight has been the first President NOT to have been the MD at the Nationals. He is past his time. |
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I can tell you who I won't be voting for, Phil Strader. He has made some comments in the past that I just can not give a pass on. Well the votes are cast...so can you give us some insight to what phil has said? Can't find the exact source, but his statements were/are in print somewhere. He made some remarks about civilian firearm ownership. Trust me, you wouldn't like what he said either. Sorry, I can't find the source. I would love to post his exact quotes. |
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I can tell you who I won't be voting for, Phil Strader. He has made some comments in the past that I just can not give a pass on. Well the votes are cast...so can you give us some insight to what phil has said? Can't find the exact source, but his statements were/are in print somewhere. He made some remarks about civilian firearm ownership. Trust me, you wouldn't like what he said either. Sorry, I can't find the source. I would love to post his exact quotes. Wow I wold like to hear what he said or see what he said. I can't imagine him saying anything bad about civilian firearm ownership since that is how he makes his living. |
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Thought some here might be interested in knowing what Phil is planning to do if he wins the USPSA Election.
Phil for USPSA President |
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Thought some here might be interested in knowing what Phil is planning to do if he wins the USPSA Election. Phil for USPSA President After reading that, I get that he wants to use the amoeba target more to attract some media coverage. But other than that, I see that he thinks other things can be improved, but even he admits he doesn't really know how to do that. Why should I vote for him? I think there are things that can be improved and I haven't a clue either. I can haz presidency? That's what he hasn't answered for me... |
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I have worked for Phil: selling firearms to the PUBLIC - so let there be NO doubt he supports civilian firearms ownership. We even sold Title II (NFA - machineguns, "silencers" etc. ) to qualified members of the public with approved forms and tax stamps.
It is a non issue now as the election has been decided, but I wanted to clear the air. I also believe Phil will be a great president with trmendous communication skills as he served as a Federal instructor for over a decade on more police weapons systems than I can name. I am proud to have shot with him when he lived up here in Area 8 and call him my friend. |
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Yeah I'm happy for Phil as well! It's nice knowing he is in my town and shoots a lot with us locally and is always helpful with anything you need or to answer any questions you have. It'll be interesting to see how much this pulls him away from the local matches.
Congrats Phil... 
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Yeah I'm happy for Phil as well! It's nice knowing he is in my town and shoots a lot with us locally and is always helpful with anything you need or to answer any questions you have. It'll be interesting to see how much this pulls him away from the local matches. Congrats Phil... Area 8's loss has been your gain! We miss seeing him at local matches around here. Phil is a great guy & he will be an awesome president. |