Posted: 1/11/2016 10:41:36 AM EDT
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I am considering taking a job in upstate NY. I have not stayed up to date on the unSAFE act. My question is, do you guys think that will be around for quite a while or are people fighting to get it reversed? That is one of the Cons on my list for taking this job is I cannot bring some of my firearms and would have to sell them or leave them at my fathers house.
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It will never get thrown out. At least not in my lifetime. The only saving grace, is that pretty much nobody outside of the "city" areas gives a flying fuck about what guns you own. Any handguns will have to be listed on your CCW permit (choose your county carefully, as your luck may vary), but there is no paperwork to determine what "accessories" you have for them. |
Where upstate, OP? If you are within an hour (or whatever you consider a commutable distance) of either the VT or PA border, your best bet would be to move just over the line. I can't tell you not to come. It would be hypocritical of me because I had the chance to leave and decided against it. You gotta do what you gotta do. But understand that you won't be able to own anything cool. If it's a permanent move, your best bet is to sell all your guns (but not your ammo) and start from scratch when you get here. On day 1, you can go get a pump shotty for immediate HD. It will likely be a year before you can even own a handgun (hence why I recommend you sell them before you leave FL). Yes, you read that right, you cannot possess (even in your own home) a handgun without a license. They take anywhere from a few months to six months to get, and most counties require references that have known you from six months to a year. Most likely any rifles you own, other than bolt action guns, are illegal. It's very, very grim for gun enthusiasts here. But if guns aren't your main thing you can manage. Guns are just a tool to me anymore, I have several other hobbies that I am very passionate about. |
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http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGPsSPGCMAI2RL1.png:large Where upstate, OP? If you are within an hour (or whatever you consider a commutable distance) of either the VT or PA border, your best bet would be to move just over the line. I can't tell you not to come. It would be hypocritical of me because I had the chance to leave and decided against it. You gotta do what you gotta do. But understand that you won't be able to own anything cool. If it's a permanent move, your best bet is to sell all your guns (but not your ammo) and start from scratch when you get here. On day 1, you can go get a pump shotty for immediate HD. It will likely be a year before you can even own a handgun (hence why I recommend you sell them before you leave FL). Yes, you read that right, you cannot possess (even in your own home) a handgun without a license. They take anywhere from a few months to six months to get, and most counties require references that have known you from six months to a year. Most likely any rifles you own, other than bolt action guns, are illegal. It's very, very grim for gun enthusiasts here. But if guns aren't your main thing you can manage. Guns are just a tool to me anymore, I have several other hobbies that I am very passionate about. Job is in Syracuse. I have a few. Pistols, a shotgun a few bolt actions, couple ARs, 10/22.  . Guns are not my main concern but man I like options. If I go that route, could I start the CCW process now? I have a Florida CCW and have the M9 on my military qualification form. Guess I will read up on the NY CCW process.
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Do what you have to do, but there is a pretty good reason why Florida passed NY for population size.
Minimum 3-4 months to obtain a pistol permit (depending upon the county you move to) that is needed to merely possess a handgun in your home, but be forewarned that some counties issue permits with a 'hunting and target only' restriction as a matter of habit. Owning a "compliant" AR is anyone's best guess as the NYSP will not offer you any definitive answers as to what constitutes "compliant". In addition, the taxes and cost of living are horrible. Liberals rule the land so expect even more insane attacks on your freedom (like the one jackwagon who wants to limit ammo purchases to twice the gun's capacity every 90 days ).
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Don't forget you'll lose more income to taxes here. Property taxes are hovering around $38 per $1000 of asshat value. Say hello to state income tax. 7.5-8% sales tax, depending on county, too. You might want to move outside of the county that the city is in. For instance, in Ontario county, all of my pistol permit stuff is done in Canandaigua, which is a much nicer area than having to go into Rottencrotchfester if I lived in Monroe county. |
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Quoted:Job is in Syracuse. Hallstead PA is one hour and 20 minutes to Syracuse. Will it be a M-F 9-5 job or something with longer days and less days per week (for example 3 12 hour or 4 10 hour days?) Or even better, could you telecommute a couple days a week? That's my best advice. Oh, and I read somewhere on here that if you rent a one way moving van (by the way this is not a joke) like a U-Haul from Florida, or the Carolina's to NY, it's basically free. You just pay the gas (and they don't even care if you fill it up when you are done). The reason is that so many more people are renting these things and going south with them that they need people to get them back up north. |
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Not to mention that Syracuse is a tiny city surrounded by filth and decay. I can't imagine moving from FL to there. If you're going to move all the way from FL and embrace the insanity, at least move closer to the only part of the state that gets any attention in this place. |
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I'm not from upstate, but I can say it is one of the most beautiful areas in the union. Hate to leave when I go visit one weekend a month.
I'm in northern Westchester county and it took my wife 5 months to get her permit. Depends on your county. Taxes suck. No one cares what you have above the I287 line, more so above the i84 line, unless you fuck up big time. I always have hope and hopefully the present regime will go out with a bang and a more universally friendly fed and state gov will take hold. The Supreme Court is our only saving grace in the near future. I can't leave NY, family, friends, natural beauty. Besides, there is something about being behind enemy lines that appeals to me. Good luck. |
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Quoted: I always have hope and hopefully the present regime will go out with a bang and a more universally friendly fed and state gov will take hold. The Supreme Court is our only saving grace in the near future. |
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Job is in Syracuse. I have a few. Pistols, a shotgun a few bolt actions, couple ARs, 10/22. . Guns are not my main concern but man I like options. If I go that route, could I start the CCW process now? I have a Florida CCW and have the M9 on my military qualification form. Guess I will read up on the NY CCW process.Quoted:
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http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGPsSPGCMAI2RL1.png:large Where upstate, OP? If you are within an hour (or whatever you consider a commutable distance) of either the VT or PA border, your best bet would be to move just over the line. I can't tell you not to come. It would be hypocritical of me because I had the chance to leave and decided against it. You gotta do what you gotta do. But understand that you won't be able to own anything cool. If it's a permanent move, your best bet is to sell all your guns (but not your ammo) and start from scratch when you get here. On day 1, you can go get a pump shotty for immediate HD. It will likely be a year before you can even own a handgun (hence why I recommend you sell them before you leave FL). Yes, you read that right, you cannot possess (even in your own home) a handgun without a license. They take anywhere from a few months to six months to get, and most counties require references that have known you from six months to a year. Most likely any rifles you own, other than bolt action guns, are illegal. It's very, very grim for gun enthusiasts here. But if guns aren't your main thing you can manage. Guns are just a tool to me anymore, I have several other hobbies that I am very passionate about. Job is in Syracuse. I have a few. Pistols, a shotgun a few bolt actions, couple ARs, 10/22. . Guns are not my main concern but man I like options. If I go that route, could I start the CCW process now? I have a Florida CCW and have the M9 on my military qualification form. Guess I will read up on the NY CCW process.Pistols are a no-go without an NY pistol permit |
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Liberals in NYC have a stranglehold on the law making process, we don't see the SAFE act going away unless Albany were to burn.
Syracuse has crappy weather, which can take a toll on people's emotions. Property taxes are ridiculous compared to most southern locales. You would have to make a bunch more money just to cover this. Syracuse crime is horrible. If you are looking to live in the city, you are never very far from a good or a bad neighborhood. The mayor has cut the police force by about 20%, resulting in longer wait times, shoddy investigations (especially misdemeanor crimes) and cops who are burned out/low morale. Good luck with your choice. |
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Quoted: I am considering taking a job in upstate NY. I have not stayed up to date on the unSAFE act. My question is, do you guys think that will be around for quite a while or are people fighting to get it reversed? That is one of the Cons on my list for taking this job is I cannot bring some of my firearms and would have to sell them or leave them at my fathers house. The fact you guys have to send ammo you order online to your FFL is .Don't do it. |
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There's quite a few of us in the Syracuse area. Some of the suburbs are decent and some have excellent schools, but stay away from the city as much as possible. If I didn't have a family business I wouldn't still be here. I actually love the area but the taxes, gun laws, and cost of living are just too much. |
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There's quite a few of us in the Syracuse area. Some of the suburbs are decent and some have excellent schools, but stay away from the city as much as possible. If I didn't have a family business I wouldn't still be here. I actually love the area but the taxes, gun laws, and cost of living are just too much. I'd look to live 30-45 min outside the city. I have some family about an hour or so from there which is why I was considering NY but I don't know, just exploring the idea at this point. |
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Quoted: I'd look to live 30-45 min outside the city. I have some family about an hour or so from there which is why I was considering NY but I don't know, just exploring the idea at this point. Quoted: Quoted: There's quite a few of us in the Syracuse area. Some of the suburbs are decent and some have excellent schools, but stay away from the city as much as possible. If I didn't have a family business I wouldn't still be here. I actually love the area but the taxes, gun laws, and cost of living are just too much. I'd look to live 30-45 min outside the city. I have some family about an hour or so from there which is why I was considering NY but I don't know, just exploring the idea at this point. If you decide to take the plunge, feel free to IM me with any questions. There's decent options if you're going to live that distance from the city, and that commute opens up a couple counties that will issue CCW permits (I'm pretty sure Cayuga and Cortland are still shall issue). I'd still look someplace else if I was you. Unlike most here, leaving (which I will do eventually) will break my heart, but it's just becoming intolerable. |
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If you decide to take the plunge, feel free to IM me with any questions. There's decent options if you're going to live that distance from the city, and that commute opens up a couple counties that will issue CCW permits (I'm pretty sure Cayuga and Cortland are still shall issue). I'd still look someplace else if I was you. Unlike most here, leaving (which I will do eventually) will break my heart, but it's just becoming intolerable. Quoted:
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There's quite a few of us in the Syracuse area. Some of the suburbs are decent and some have excellent schools, but stay away from the city as much as possible. If I didn't have a family business I wouldn't still be here. I actually love the area but the taxes, gun laws, and cost of living are just too much. I'd look to live 30-45 min outside the city. I have some family about an hour or so from there which is why I was considering NY but I don't know, just exploring the idea at this point. If you decide to take the plunge, feel free to IM me with any questions. There's decent options if you're going to live that distance from the city, and that commute opens up a couple counties that will issue CCW permits (I'm pretty sure Cayuga and Cortland are still shall issue). I'd still look someplace else if I was you. Unlike most here, leaving (which I will do eventually) will break my heart, but it's just becoming intolerable. If I did not have to walk away from a practice built over 20 years I would be gone tomorrow. It is very hard to start over at 57 years of age.
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There's quite a few of us in the Syracuse area. Some of the suburbs are decent and some have excellent schools, but stay away from the city as much as possible. If I didn't have a family business I wouldn't still be here. I actually love the area but the taxes, gun laws, and cost of living are just too much. I'd look to live 30-45 min outside the city. I have some family about an hour or so from there which is why I was considering NY but I don't know, just exploring the idea at this point. My house is for sale by owner... 
4bedroom/2.5bath on .9 acre with backyard deck and inground pool. |
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My house is for sale by owner...
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There's quite a few of us in the Syracuse area. Some of the suburbs are decent and some have excellent schools, but stay away from the city as much as possible. If I didn't have a family business I wouldn't still be here. I actually love the area but the taxes, gun laws, and cost of living are just too much. I'd look to live 30-45 min outside the city. I have some family about an hour or so from there which is why I was considering NY but I don't know, just exploring the idea at this point. My house is for sale by owner...
4bedroom/2.5bath on .9 acre with backyard deck and inground pool.  . An in ground pool. Do you have to drain that every winter that far North?
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Quoted: My house is for sale by owner... 4bedroom/2.5bath on .9 acre with backyard deck and inground pool. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's quite a few of us in the Syracuse area. Some of the suburbs are decent and some have excellent schools, but stay away from the city as much as possible. If I didn't have a family business I wouldn't still be here. I actually love the area but the taxes, gun laws, and cost of living are just too much. I'd look to live 30-45 min outside the city. I have some family about an hour or so from there which is why I was considering NY but I don't know, just exploring the idea at this point. My house is for sale by owner... 4bedroom/2.5bath on .9 acre with backyard deck and inground pool.  and if you stop paying your mortgage the bank won't bother to foreclose |
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SAFE Act will never be repealed. You probably will not be able to legally carry a handgun. The better school districts around Syracuse are very expensive. The area is in a economic death spiral. But other than that it's nice Well that is reassuring
Even though it's a little more money then I'm making now about 10-15k more a year after the replies and some more research I'd be making about what I make now and I wouldnt have the freedoms I currently enjoy now |
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Job is in Syracuse. I have a few. Pistols, a shotgun a few bolt actions, couple ARs, 10/22. . Guns are not my main concern but man I like options. If I go that route, could I start the CCW process now? I have a Florida CCW and have the M9 on my military qualification form. Guess I will read up on the NY CCW process.Quoted:
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http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGPsSPGCMAI2RL1.png:large Where upstate, OP? If you are within an hour (or whatever you consider a commutable distance) of either the VT or PA border, your best bet would be to move just over the line. I can't tell you not to come. It would be hypocritical of me because I had the chance to leave and decided against it. You gotta do what you gotta do. But understand that you won't be able to own anything cool. If it's a permanent move, your best bet is to sell all your guns (but not your ammo) and start from scratch when you get here. On day 1, you can go get a pump shotty for immediate HD. It will likely be a year before you can even own a handgun (hence why I recommend you sell them before you leave FL). Yes, you read that right, you cannot possess (even in your own home) a handgun without a license. They take anywhere from a few months to six months to get, and most counties require references that have known you from six months to a year. Most likely any rifles you own, other than bolt action guns, are illegal. It's very, very grim for gun enthusiasts here. But if guns aren't your main thing you can manage. Guns are just a tool to me anymore, I have several other hobbies that I am very passionate about. Job is in Syracuse. I have a few. Pistols, a shotgun a few bolt actions, couple ARs, 10/22. . Guns are not my main concern but man I like options. If I go that route, could I start the CCW process now? I have a Florida CCW and have the M9 on my military qualification form. Guess I will read up on the NY CCW process."Job is in Syracuse" Those don't exist here, stop trolling us
All joking aside, as an almost lifelong resident of NY state I CANNOT imagine a scenario that would draw me here from a place like Florida. The taxes suck, the weather sucks, the economy sucks, the politics suck and the gun laws suck; Any questions? If my roots as well as those of my fiancé weren't firmly planted here we would be residents of Vermont by now. Unless you're due some huge financial windfall and/or immense career advancement by coming here, I wouldn't do it and even at that it would be as short a stay as humanly possible. |
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Quoted: Well that is reassuring Even though it's a little more money then I'm making now about 10-15k more a year after the replies and some more research I'd be making about what I make now and I wouldnt have the freedoms I currently enjoy now Quoted: Quoted: SAFE Act will never be repealed. You probably will not be able to legally carry a handgun. The better school districts around Syracuse are very expensive. The area is in a economic death spiral. But other than that it's nice Well that is reassuring Even though it's a little more money then I'm making now about 10-15k more a year after the replies and some more research I'd be making about what I make now and I wouldnt have the freedoms I currently enjoy now |
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Do Not move to NYS, no matter what they offer you it is not worth giving up your freedom! this.. what ever they are willing to pay you will be for taxes and the higher cost of living..If your not a liberal/democrap dont move.. If you are than yes move today dont wait. We want all the liberals democraps moved to one contained state so it can be nuked. |
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this.. what ever they are willing to pay you will be for taxes and the higher cost of living..If your not a liberal/democrap dont move.. If you are than yes move today dont wait. We want all the liberals democraps moved to one contained state so it can be nuked. Quoted:
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Do Not move to NYS, no matter what they offer you it is not worth giving up your freedom! this.. what ever they are willing to pay you will be for taxes and the higher cost of living..If your not a liberal/democrap dont move.. If you are than yes move today dont wait. We want all the liberals democraps moved to one contained state so it can be nuked. Lol a utopia of stupidity. I typed Syracuse NY into youtube and most of the first results were ghetto street fights . I heard it was sort of ghetto but Jesus then not be able to carry to protect yourself is asinine
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Quoted: Lol a utopia of stupidity. I typed Syracuse NY into youtube and most of the first results were ghetto street fights . I heard it was sort of ghetto but Jesus then not be able to carry to protect yourself is asinineQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do Not move to NYS, no matter what they offer you it is not worth giving up your freedom! this.. what ever they are willing to pay you will be for taxes and the higher cost of living..If your not a liberal/democrap dont move.. If you are than yes move today dont wait. We want all the liberals democraps moved to one contained state so it can be nuked. Lol a utopia of stupidity. I typed Syracuse NY into youtube and most of the first results were ghetto street fights . I heard it was sort of ghetto but Jesus then not be able to carry to protect yourself is asinine |
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Quoted: Well that is reassuring Even though it's a little more money then I'm making now about 10-15k more a year after the replies and some more research I'd be making about what I make now and I wouldnt have the freedoms I currently enjoy now Quoted: Quoted: SAFE Act will never be repealed. You probably will not be able to legally carry a handgun. The better school districts around Syracuse are very expensive. The area is in a economic death spiral. But other than that it's nice Well that is reassuring Even though it's a little more money then I'm making now about 10-15k more a year after the replies and some more research I'd be making about what I make now and I wouldnt have the freedoms I currently enjoy now I wouldn't move from FL to NY for an extra $50k |
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The city has a pretty high crime rate, 24 murders last year, I think. Almost all young black guys shooting young black guys, mostly gang related, some drugs, some facebook beefs. There is a young black man who killed an old white guy in a "knock out game" attack who got out of juvenile detention and is attending one of the city high schools Quoted:
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Do Not move to NYS, no matter what they offer you it is not worth giving up your freedom! this.. what ever they are willing to pay you will be for taxes and the higher cost of living..If your not a liberal/democrap dont move.. If you are than yes move today dont wait. We want all the liberals democraps moved to one contained state so it can be nuked. Lol a utopia of stupidity. I typed Syracuse NY into youtube and most of the first results were ghetto street fights . I heard it was sort of ghetto but Jesus then not be able to carry to protect yourself is asinine24 in a year? Rochester can pull that in a month over the summer. |
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Quoted: You could end up paying that extra money in property taxes etc Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: SAFE Act will never be repealed. You probably will not be able to legally carry a handgun. The better school districts around Syracuse are very expensive. The area is in a economic death spiral. But other than that it's nice Well that is reassuring Even though it's a little more money then I'm making now about 10-15k more a year after the replies and some more research I'd be making about what I make now and I wouldnt have the freedoms I currently enjoy now And income tax. Don't forget that - FL doesn't have state income tax, so OP will have to familiarize himself with the IT-201. |
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Quoted: And income tax. Don't forget that - FL doesn't have state income tax, so OP will have to familiarize himself with the IT-201. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: SAFE Act will never be repealed. You probably will not be able to legally carry a handgun. The better school districts around Syracuse are very expensive. The area is in a economic death spiral. But other than that it's nice Well that is reassuring Even though it's a little more money then I'm making now about 10-15k more a year after the replies and some more research I'd be making about what I make now and I wouldnt have the freedoms I currently enjoy now And income tax. Don't forget that - FL doesn't have state income tax, so OP will have to familiarize himself with the IT-201. Correct answer is : $0 |
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SAFE Act will never be repealed. You probably will not be able to legally carry a handgun. The better school districts around Syracuse are very expensive. The area is in a economic death spiral. But other than that it's nice Well that is reassuring
Even though it's a little more money then I'm making now about 10-15k more a year after the replies and some more research I'd be making about what I make now and I wouldnt have the freedoms I currently enjoy now And income tax. Don't forget that - FL doesn't have state income tax, so OP will have to familiarize himself with the IT-201. Correct answer is : $0 What don't you guys have laws for.
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Quoted: If I did not have to walk away from a practice built over 20 years I would be gone tomorrow. It is very hard to start over at 57 years of age. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's quite a few of us in the Syracuse area. Some of the suburbs are decent and some have excellent schools, but stay away from the city as much as possible. If I didn't have a family business I wouldn't still be here. I actually love the area but the taxes, gun laws, and cost of living are just too much. I'd look to live 30-45 min outside the city. I have some family about an hour or so from there which is why I was considering NY but I don't know, just exploring the idea at this point. If you decide to take the plunge, feel free to IM me with any questions. There's decent options if you're going to live that distance from the city, and that commute opens up a couple counties that will issue CCW permits (I'm pretty sure Cayuga and Cortland are still shall issue). I'd still look someplace else if I was you. Unlike most here, leaving (which I will do eventually) will break my heart, but it's just becoming intolerable. If I did not have to walk away from a practice built over 20 years I would be gone tomorrow. It is very hard to start over at 57 years of age. I'm in a family practice built over 50 years by my father, who still runs it and who had a massive heart attack 3 years ago. If not for that, I'd be gone, but I'd have been sad to have been compelled to leave by our corrupt, tyrannical state government. |
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Quoted: My house is for sale by owner... 4bedroom/2.5bath on .9 acre with backyard deck and inground pool. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's quite a few of us in the Syracuse area. Some of the suburbs are decent and some have excellent schools, but stay away from the city as much as possible. If I didn't have a family business I wouldn't still be here. I actually love the area but the taxes, gun laws, and cost of living are just too much. I'd look to live 30-45 min outside the city. I have some family about an hour or so from there which is why I was considering NY but I don't know, just exploring the idea at this point. My house is for sale by owner... 4bedroom/2.5bath on .9 acre with backyard deck and inground pool. Where are you moving to? |
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Quoted: What don't you guys have laws for. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You could end up paying that extra money in property taxes etc And income tax. Don't forget that - FL doesn't have state income tax, so OP will have to familiarize himself with the IT-201. Correct answer is : $0 What don't you guys have laws for. |
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STOP RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
STAY AWAY UNLESS THIS IS JUST FOR A FEW MONTHS. You might end up getting married or knock up some gal and get stuck here. Even worse if you do that and get divorced by stay in state because of the kids. I know a guy who marooned himself in Finland of all places that way. |
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There's quite a few of us in the Syracuse area. Some of the suburbs are decent and some have excellent schools, but stay away from the city as much as possible. If I didn't have a family business I wouldn't still be here. I actually love the area but the taxes, gun laws, and cost of living are just too much. I'd look to live 30-45 min outside the city. I have some family about an hour or so from there which is why I was considering NY but I don't know, just exploring the idea at this point. My house is for sale by owner...
4bedroom/2.5bath on .9 acre with backyard deck and inground pool. Where are you moving to? Staying in state....for now. |
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Everyone in this forum is actively looking for a way out of this state. Or have at least examined the possibilities in the past. That includes a lot of people making good incomes--doctors, lawyers, high ranking executives for large corporations. That should be a warning and should provide the answer if there is any doubt whether moving here is a good idea. |
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Don't. Your liberty is worth more than money. This. I've got about 40 years into this place, and as much as I love my community and the beauty surrounding it, I am actively looking to get out. The SAFE Act was the final straw, and it's never going away. If you drop a .22 round in the grass and can't find it you are obligated to notify the police. ALL ammo sales require a background check and will be tracked. The State will decide when you've bought too much and will investigate you. (The ammo requirements aren't actually happening yet due to logistics, but the law requires them.) A 10/22 with a thumbhole stock is now an "assault weapon". And so on. Any state that would exercise this level of control over its subjects is no place you want to live. Seriously, you'd be crazy to give up the freedoms you currently enjoy for this. |
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If you decide to take the plunge, feel free to IM me with any questions. There's decent options if you're going to live that distance from the city, and that commute opens up a couple counties that will issue CCW permits (I'm pretty sure Cayuga and Cortland are still shall issue). I'd still look someplace else if I was you. Unlike most here, leaving (which I will do eventually) will break my heart, but it's just becoming intolerable. Quoted:
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There's quite a few of us in the Syracuse area. Some of the suburbs are decent and some have excellent schools, but stay away from the city as much as possible. If I didn't have a family business I wouldn't still be here. I actually love the area but the taxes, gun laws, and cost of living are just too much. I'd look to live 30-45 min outside the city. I have some family about an hour or so from there which is why I was considering NY but I don't know, just exploring the idea at this point. If you decide to take the plunge, feel free to IM me with any questions. There's decent options if you're going to live that distance from the city, and that commute opens up a couple counties that will issue CCW permits (I'm pretty sure Cayuga and Cortland are still shall issue). I'd still look someplace else if I was you. Unlike most here, leaving (which I will do eventually) will break my heart, but it's just becoming intolerable. Oneida and Herkimer Counties also. Yes we do have a pretty good crew in the CNY area. 
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this.. what ever they are willing to pay you will be for taxes and the higher cost of living..If your not a liberal/democrap dont move.. If you are than yes move today dont wait. We want all the liberals democraps moved to one contained state so it can be nuked. Quoted:
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Do Not move to NYS, no matter what they offer you it is not worth giving up your freedom! this.. what ever they are willing to pay you will be for taxes and the higher cost of living..If your not a liberal/democrap dont move.. If you are than yes move today dont wait. We want all the liberals democraps moved to one contained state so it can be nuked. This give you an idea what you're in for! 
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