Posted: 3/15/2014 5:16:28 PM EDT
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Does anyone have a copy of the ATF approval letter for the FAB 10? If someone does, maybe they can email me a copy or post it here. I'm going to check the CAHTF also.
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What would the ATF have possibly approved about the FAB 10? I believe that back when the FAB 10 was created (2000-2001?) the Federal "assault weapons" ban was still in effect. There is an ATF letter stating that the FAB 10 has a fixed magazine and therefore would not fall under the ban. |
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<a href="http://s115.photobucket.com/user/tokarz1/media/FAB10lttrb_zpsba6555eb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n294/tokarz1/FAB10lttrb_zpsba6555eb.jpg</a> I also have a FAB 10, but I need the ATF letter not the CA DOJ letter. Thanks. |
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I believe that back when the FAB 10 was created (2000-2001?) the Federal "assault weapons" ban was still in effect. There is an ATF letter stating that the FAB 10 has a fixed magazine and therefore would not fall under the ban. Quoted:
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What would the ATF have possibly approved about the FAB 10? I believe that back when the FAB 10 was created (2000-2001?) the Federal "assault weapons" ban was still in effect. There is an ATF letter stating that the FAB 10 has a fixed magazine and therefore would not fall under the ban. What relevance does that have to SAFE? |
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What would the ATF have possibly approved about the FAB 10? I believe that back when the FAB 10 was created (2000-2001?) the Federal "assault weapons" ban was still in effect. There is an ATF letter stating that the FAB 10 has a fixed magazine and therefore would not fall under the ban. What relevance does that have to SAFE? Probably none, but I wouldn't mind having a letter stating that the FAB 10 I own (as far as the BATF is concerned) has a fixed magazine. |
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Probably none, but I wouldn't mind having a letter stating that the FAB 10 I own (as far as the BATF is concerned) has a fixed magazine. Quoted:
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What would the ATF have possibly approved about the FAB 10? I believe that back when the FAB 10 was created (2000-2001?) the Federal "assault weapons" ban was still in effect. There is an ATF letter stating that the FAB 10 has a fixed magazine and therefore would not fall under the ban. What relevance does that have to SAFE? Probably none, but I wouldn't mind having a letter stating that the FAB 10 I own (as far as the BATF is concerned) has a fixed magazine. Just in case the officer is blind? Print the letter out in Braille to be safe. |
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What would the ATF have possibly approved about the FAB 10? I believe that back when the FAB 10 was created (2000-2001?) the Federal "assault weapons" ban was still in effect. There is an ATF letter stating that the FAB 10 has a fixed magazine and therefore would not fall under the ban. What relevance does that have to SAFE? Probably none, but I wouldn't mind having a letter stating that the FAB 10 I own (as far as the BATF is concerned) has a fixed magazine. Just in case the officer is blind? Print the letter out in Braille to be safe. I'm sure there will be officers that just see a EBR and no registration and won't want to hear anything else. A letter from the BATF would sure help either at that moment or later on in court, well, at least it couldn't hurt. |
| I think I still have that letter from ATF. I will check it out this week. You may have to remind me. [email protected]. Craig |
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have you thought about making them again or licensing the lowers? Quoted:
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I think I still have that letter from ATF. I will check it out this week. You may have to remind me. [email protected]. Craig I read somewhere that he sold the patent to some obscure company. |
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I think I still have that letter from ATF. I will check it out this week. You may have to remind me. [email protected]. Craig I read somewhere that he sold the patent to some obscure company. Bushmaster now has the patent, but I believe it was sold to them by by Shoeless Ventures. Shoeless Ventures were sold the rights to the FAB 10 by Craig (CMS Engine Service) the original patent holder. I think I got that right. Craig, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. http://www.bushmaster.com/electronic-documents/TechSheets/Carbon%2015%20Model%20PDFs/C15%20TopLoadRifle.pdf |
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I think I still have that letter from ATF. I will check it out this week. You may have to remind me. [email protected]. Craig I was just going to email you. Glad to saw you saw the thread..... |
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Quoted: Crap  Don't give up hope just yet  http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/552788_NY_compliant_lower_receiver__.html |
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Quoted: Don't give up hope just yet http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/552788_NY_compliant_lower_receiver__.html Quoted: Quoted: Crap Don't give up hope just yet http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/552788_NY_compliant_lower_receiver__.html At the moment frankly I think people are buying Ar15s with no pistol grip and just putting a pistol grip on when they get home.
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I don't personally need one but would like to see one. At the moment frankly I think people are buying Ar15s with no pistol grip and just putting a pistol grip on when they get home. Quoted:
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Crap Don't give up hope just yet
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/552788_NY_compliant_lower_receiver__.html At the moment frankly I think people are buying Ar15s with no pistol grip and just putting a pistol grip on when they get home. I should have something by the middle of the week. I will give an update in the other post when I actually have something. I'm dying to elaborate a little more, but feel it is best to just wait. Are you referring to stripped lowers or actual whole rifles? Why run the risk of being caught with the pistol grip? |
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Whole rifles and yes it's illegal. Why? No fucks given would be my guess. That would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I feel, come April 15th, shit is going to hit the fan and everyone needs to stay as low key as possible and be as compliant as possible. We need to at least let the dust settle so then maybe we can find out what is good and what isn't. Of course there will be those guys that don't care and I guess they'll be those test cases we were looking for. I am doing what I can to come up with something that would make us compliant and continue to enjoy the sport we love without the need for registration. |
| Still no luck trying to find this letter. I spoke with Craig and he only has the original ATF letter, not the one that actually mentions the mag riveted in place. I contacted bushmaster today as well and they no longer sell that rifle and have no idea about an ATF letter. Just checking again to see if anyone might have this letter. |
| In 2001, I sent a lower that I had put together to ATF for a determination as to whether what I sent them would be considered a non detachable or fixed mag. The letter that they sent me, which I still have said that if the mag were permanently attached to the receiver, it would be considered non detachable. On the phone , I asked what would be considered permanent. He said a rivet that would have to be drilled would be permanent. I would need to submit another sample with that done for a determination. I did that a few months later. That letter mentions the rivet as being permanent. That is the letter that I also showed to Calf. DOJ. It is what they used to also base their determination on. That copy was turned over to Shoeless Ventures when I sold the patent to them. I assume that they turned it over to Bushmaster when Bushmaster bought the patent. I doubt that Bushmaster will be too forthcoming. ATF still has a copy I am sure. They keep everything. Whether they will spend the time looking for it, who knows. It has no relevence today since the 1998 ban has expired. I sent a sample of the new NY-10 lower I have done, for a determination on it's non detachable mag. 7 months later they said that since at this time there is no Assault Weapon ban, or description of what would classify it as one, they would not issue a determination on a law that does not currently exist Federally. That is where it is at. Craig |