Posted: 6/11/2013 2:33:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: The state has until June 22 to respond to our amended complaint. nyrkba: If possible can you keep the NYSRPA v. SAFE Act updated with the latest case filings and info so it's easy for everyone to follow. It's also missing the amended complaint. TIA If you haven't joined the NYSRPA or donated to the NYSRPA SAFE Act lawsuit now is the time to do so. You can help either by joining/renewing your membership or making a online donation. NYSRPA v. SAFE Act The Court set August 23rd 2013 as the next date for the parties to return to court, characterizing this date as a "status conference/hearing date, with emphasis for now on status conference.” |
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Are those Kosovars fighting on your avatar? No, Malsors (from northern Albania / southern Montenegro) fighting against Turkish troops. The woman in the background is Ms. Edith Durham of England. Albanian Catholic minority? Yes, but not always. Northern Albanians are traditionally Catholic and were amongst the first Christians. In the 1400s Gjergj Kastrioti united them to fight against the Ottoman Empire and remained undefeated for over 25 years, preventing them from occupying Albania and continuing the advance into Western Europe. It was during the 5 centuries of Ottoman rule that a majority of the population converted to Islam. Malsor means "mountaineer," and the highland tribes of Malsia are still largely Catholic to this day. |
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Are those Kosovars fighting on your avatar? No, Malsors (from northern Albania / southern Montenegro) fighting against Turkish troops. The woman in the background is Ms. Edith Durham of England. Albanian Catholic minority? Yes, but not always. Northern Albanians are traditionally Catholic and were amongst the first Christians. In the 1400s Gjergj Kastrioti united them to fight against the Ottoman Empire and remained undefeated for over 25 years, preventing them from occupying Albania and continuing the advance into Western Europe. It was during the 5 centuries of Ottoman rule that a majority of the population converted to Islam. Malsor means "mountaineer," and the highland tribes of Malsia are still largely Catholic to this day. As are the surrounding villages of shkodra on both the Albanian side and Montenegrin side. Shestani (north westernmountain range) contributed a lot to fighting the ottoman Islamic invasion and assisted until the late 1600's to keep the northern strong hold free of ottoman rule. I was joking btw, I knew who they were. Albanians have been fighting Islamic fundametism for quite a many years now, huh? Sorry for deviating on this thread. |
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Are those Kosovars fighting on your avatar? No, Malsors (from northern Albania / southern Montenegro) fighting against Turkish troops. The woman in the background is Ms. Edith Durham of England. Albanian Catholic minority? Yes, but not always. Northern Albanians are traditionally Catholic and were amongst the first Christians. In the 1400s Gjergj Kastrioti united them to fight against the Ottoman Empire and remained undefeated for over 25 years, preventing them from occupying Albania and continuing the advance into Western Europe. It was during the 5 centuries of Ottoman rule that a majority of the population converted to Islam. Malsor means "mountaineer," and the highland tribes of Malsia are still largely Catholic to this day. As are the surrounding villages of shkodra on both the Albanian side and Montenegrin side. Shestani (north westernmountain range) contributed a lot to fighting the ottoman Islamic invasion and assisted until the late 1600's to keep the northern strong hold free of ottoman rule. I was joking btw, I knew who they were. Albanians have been fighting Islamic fundametism for quite a many years now, huh? Sorry for deviating on this thread. I would love to know more about this guys. I am intimately familiar with the situation in Bosnia and Herzegovinia, as well as Croatia. (belonged to a Croat parish for almost 15 years in WNY, so I got my history lessons there. One of my pet recreational studies is Catholic persecution as well as modern catholic/ Orthodox wars against Islam in central europe. If anyone could lead me to some good reads, or just give me the skeleton outline of the Albanian situation i would appreciate it. The extent of my knowledge there is that many Muslim Albanians inhabited Kosovo and areas of Bosnia, which in turn helped fuel the wars in those countries, as well as encouraging the Mujahadin to join in and help extend a pretty bloody conflict. Oh I also know that Mother Teresa was ethnic albanian living in Macedonia 
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Are those Kosovars fighting on your avatar? No, Malsors (from northern Albania / southern Montenegro) fighting against Turkish troops. The woman in the background is Ms. Edith Durham of England. Albanian Catholic minority? Yes, but not always. Northern Albanians are traditionally Catholic and were amongst the first Christians. In the 1400s Gjergj Kastrioti united them to fight against the Ottoman Empire and remained undefeated for over 25 years, preventing them from occupying Albania and continuing the advance into Western Europe. It was during the 5 centuries of Ottoman rule that a majority of the population converted to Islam. Malsor means "mountaineer," and the highland tribes of Malsia are still largely Catholic to this day. As are the surrounding villages of shkodra on both the Albanian side and Montenegrin side. Shestani (north westernmountain range) contributed a lot to fighting the ottoman Islamic invasion and assisted until the late 1600's to keep the northern strong hold free of ottoman rule. I was joking btw, I knew who they were. Albanians have been fighting Islamic fundametism for quite a many years now, huh? Sorry for deviating on this thread. I would love to know more about this guys. I am intimately familiar with the situation in Bosnia and Herzegovinia, as well as Croatia. (belonged to a Croat parish for almost 15 years in WNY, so I got my history lessons there. One of my pet recreational studies is Catholic persecution as well as modern catholic/ Orthodox wars against Islam in central europe. If anyone could lead me to some good reads, or just give me the skeleton outline of the Albanian situation i would appreciate it. The extent of my knowledge there is that many Muslim Albanians inhabited Kosovo and areas of Bosnia, which in turn helped fuel the wars in those countries, as well as encouraging the Mujahadin to join in and help extend a pretty bloody conflict. Oh I also know that Mother Teresa was ethnic albanian living in Macedonia Most of the records were distroyed by the Turks, if not all! Get this, the present day Turks have sent history books to Kosova which say that the Turks invaded Albania to quell the warring clans, but that could not be further from the truth! They invaded to spread Islam by the sword! It's a long history, Albania is a small part but it was essential in that it weakened the invasion and pronged it, the ottomans wanted Rome and the rest of Europe, but they got hammered in Vienna. Be advise, that Albanians, Croatians, Montenegrins, Serbians, and Bulgarians all faught shoulder to shoulder against the ottomans in Kosova. After the fall, we were pitted against each other by the very force we united to fight! I will im you a link later. |
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Most of the records were distroyed by the Turks, if not all! Get this, the present day Turks have sent history books to Kosova which say that the Turks invaded Albania to quell the warring clans, but that could not be further from the truth! They invaded to spread Islam by the sword! It's a long history, Albania is a small part but it was essential in that it weakened the invasion and pronged it, the ottomans wanted Rome and the rest of Europe, but they got hammered in Vienna. Be advise, that Albanians, Croatians, Montenegrins, Serbians, and Bulgarians all faught shoulder to shoulder against the ottomans in Kosova. After the fall, we were pitted against each other by the very force we united to fight! I will im you a link later. Thanks man. Its always good to get more. Central Europe / Slavic History fascinates me. Im currently learning Russian, and hope to push out to Croatian and Serbian within 2 years |
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Most of the records were distroyed by the Turks, if not all! Get this, the present day Turks have sent history books to Kosova which say that the Turks invaded Albania to quell the warring clans, but that could not be further from the truth! They invaded to spread Islam by the sword! It's a long history, Albania is a small part but it was essential in that it weakened the invasion and pronged it, the ottomans wanted Rome and the rest of Europe, but they got hammered in Vienna. Be advise, that Albanians, Croatians, Montenegrins, Serbians, and Bulgarians all faught shoulder to shoulder against the ottomans in Kosova. After the fall, we were pitted against each other by the very force we united to fight! I will im you a link later. Thanks man. Its always good to get more. Central Europe / Slavic History fascinates me. Im currently learning Russian, and hope to push out to Croatian and Serbian within 2 years They did a lot of fighting among themselves along Catholic/Orthodox lines, but all fought the Turks and often joined together. Russian volunteers fought in the Balkans against the Turks in addition to a number of wars with Turkey. |
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Most of the records were distroyed by the Turks, if not all! Get this, the present day Turks have sent history books to Kosova which say that the Turks invaded Albania to quell the warring clans, but that could not be further from the truth! They invaded to spread Islam by the sword! It's a long history, Albania is a small part but it was essential in that it weakened the invasion and pronged it, the ottomans wanted Rome and the rest of Europe, but they got hammered in Vienna. Be advise, that Albanians, Croatians, Montenegrins, Serbians, and Bulgarians all faught shoulder to shoulder against the ottomans in Kosova. After the fall, we were pitted against each other by the very force we united to fight! I will im you a link later. Thanks man. Its always good to get more. Central Europe / Slavic History fascinates me. Im currently learning Russian, and hope to push out to Croatian and Serbian within 2 years They did a lot of fighting among themselves along Catholic/Orthodox lines, but all fought the Turks and often joined together. Russian volunteers fought in the Balkans against the Turks in addition to a number of wars with Turkey. sounds an awful lot like us here in the US. We fought against some big enemies and now we fight amongst ourselves because we have no one else to fight. |
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Are those Kosovars fighting on your avatar? No, Malsors (from northern Albania / southern Montenegro) fighting against Turkish troops. The woman in the background is Ms. Edith Durham of England. Albanian Catholic minority? Yes, but not always. Northern Albanians are traditionally Catholic and were amongst the first Christians. In the 1400s Gjergj Kastrioti united them to fight against the Ottoman Empire and remained undefeated for over 25 years, preventing them from occupying Albania and continuing the advance into Western Europe. It was during the 5 centuries of Ottoman rule that a majority of the population converted to Islam. Malsor means "mountaineer," and the highland tribes of Malsia are still largely Catholic to this day. As are the surrounding villages of shkodra on both the Albanian side and Montenegrin side. Shestani (north westernmountain range) contributed a lot to fighting the ottoman Islamic invasion and assisted until the late 1600's to keep the northern strong hold free of ottoman rule. I was joking btw, I knew who they were. Albanians have been fighting Islamic fundametism for quite a many years now, huh? Sorry for deviating on this thread. I would love to know more about this guys. I am intimately familiar with the situation in Bosnia and Herzegovinia, as well as Croatia. (belonged to a Croat parish for almost 15 years in WNY, so I got my history lessons there. One of my pet recreational studies is Catholic persecution as well as modern catholic/ Orthodox wars against Islam in central europe. If anyone could lead me to some good reads, or just give me the skeleton outline of the Albanian situation i would appreciate it. The extent of my knowledge there is that many Muslim Albanians inhabited Kosovo and areas of Bosnia, which in turn helped fuel the wars in those countries, as well as encouraging the Mujahadin to join in and help extend a pretty bloody conflict. Oh I also know that Mother Teresa was ethnic albanian living in Macedonia Most of the records were distroyed by the Turks, if not all! Get this, the present day Turks have sent history books to Kosova which say that the Turks invaded Albania to quell the warring clans, but that could not be further from the truth! They invaded to spread Islam by the sword! It's a long history, Albania is a small part but it was essential in that it weakened the invasion and pronged it, the ottomans wanted Rome and the rest of Europe, but they got hammered in Vienna. Be advise, that Albanians, Croatians, Montenegrins, Serbians, and Bulgarians all faught shoulder to shoulder against the ottomans in Kosova. After the fall, we were pitted against each other by the very force we united to fight! I will im you a link later. Yea, Mother Teresa was a Catholic Albanian. Her father was a patriot and Albanian nationalist who was poisoned by Serbs. I'm proud to have met her. I would not blame the Turks for the various Balkan factions fighting with each other. There is another belligerent group that takes that crown. Although it is true that the Battle of Kosova in 1389 was fought by a Serb-led Balkan coalition. With your knowledge of Shestan, it leads me to believe you are Albanian. Are you? How else would you know all this? :) BYUIND, if you are interested, I've got a few books I can recommend to you. 1) The Albanians in Yugoslavia In Light of Historical Documents, available here: http://www.alb-net.com/juka2.htm 2) Albania's Golgotha: Indictments of the Exterminators of the Albanian People, available here: http://www.alb-net.com/juka1.htm 3) High Albania, written by Edith Durham, a British traveler through the Balkans, about Northern Albanian customs, available here: http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/durham/albania/albania.html If you want to learn about the national hero, Gjergj Kastrioti, and his resistance against the Ottomans, the best book I've read on the subject is Scanderbeg: From Ottoman Captive to Albanian Hero by Harry Hodgkinson (on Amazon). It is amazing what he was able to accomplish, defeating the most powerful army in the world for a quarter of a century, winning battles where he was outnumbered 20:1. He was closely allied with 4 Catholic Popes, one of whom gave him the title "Athleta Christi" for defending Christianity. And if you're interested in Catholic persecution, there is a lot of it that occurred during communism. Albania's dictator, Enver Hoxha, led a repressive Stalinist regime that was perhaps the most brutal of its kind. It persecuted the Catholic Church in particular and there were many instances of priests being tortured, jailed for 30 years, outright killed, etc. |
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Most of the records were distroyed by the Turks, if not all! Get this, the present day Turks have sent history books to Kosova which say that the Turks invaded Albania to quell the warring clans, but that could not be further from the truth! They invaded to spread Islam by the sword! It's a long history, Albania is a small part but it was essential in that it weakened the invasion and pronged it, the ottomans wanted Rome and the rest of Europe, but they got hammered in Vienna. Be advise, that Albanians, Croatians, Montenegrins, Serbians, and Bulgarians all faught shoulder to shoulder against the ottomans in Kosova. After the fall, we were pitted against each other by the very force we united to fight! I will im you a link later. Thanks man. Its always good to get more. Central Europe / Slavic History fascinates me. Im currently learning Russian, and hope to push out to Croatian and Serbian within 2 years Just so you know, Albanians are not a Slavic people, nor is the Albanian language a Slavic language. Both the people and the language predate the introduction of Slavs to the Balkans. |
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Most of the records were distroyed by the Turks, if not all! Get this, the present day Turks have sent history books to Kosova which say that the Turks invaded Albania to quell the warring clans, but that could not be further from the truth! They invaded to spread Islam by the sword! It's a long history, Albania is a small part but it was essential in that it weakened the invasion and pronged it, the ottomans wanted Rome and the rest of Europe, but they got hammered in Vienna. Be advise, that Albanians, Croatians, Montenegrins, Serbians, and Bulgarians all faught shoulder to shoulder against the ottomans in Kosova. After the fall, we were pitted against each other by the very force we united to fight! I will im you a link later. Thanks man. Its always good to get more. Central Europe / Slavic History fascinates me. Im currently learning Russian, and hope to push out to Croatian and Serbian within 2 years Just so you know, Albanians are not a Slavic people, nor is the Albanian language a Slavic language. Both the people and the language predate the introduction of Slavs to the Balkans. I actually am aware of that only because I have greek/ macedonian neighbors. They used to throw things at me when I would called them russians (all in good fun of course) the ethnic albanians, greeks, bulgarians, etc seem to share a common ancestry line as well as a 4000 year old language and culture base. Architecture is also SUPERB! And I check out those books one at a time. Learning Russian and raising my family take up enough time, and throw in work and KofC, and I have a nice full plate most days. And basketball at night
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Most of the records were distroyed by the Turks, if not all! Get this, the present day Turks have sent history books to Kosova which say that the Turks invaded Albania to quell the warring clans, but that could not be further from the truth! They invaded to spread Islam by the sword! It's a long history, Albania is a small part but it was essential in that it weakened the invasion and pronged it, the ottomans wanted Rome and the rest of Europe, but they got hammered in Vienna. Be advise, that Albanians, Croatians, Montenegrins, Serbians, and Bulgarians all faught shoulder to shoulder against the ottomans in Kosova. After the fall, we were pitted against each other by the very force we united to fight! I will im you a link later. Thanks man. Its always good to get more. Central Europe / Slavic History fascinates me. Im currently learning Russian, and hope to push out to Croatian and Serbian within 2 years Just so you know, Albanians are not a Slavic people, nor is the Albanian language a Slavic language. Both the people and the language predate the introduction of Slavs to the Balkans. I've done some research that went deeper than langue and culture and found out that the areas north of Lac, in Albania, share a commonality of their DNA with the Greeks and Italians. The middle and southern part of Albania have more DNA commonality with the Turks and Slavic people of the north. Montenegrins, Croatians and believe it or not the Serbs, share the same commonality as the Albanians with the Greeks and the Italians. The only ancient thing about Albanians is the culture and langue, same goes with the Greeks and Italians. Blood has been diluted. Just a tidbit. |
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It is incorrect to state that the Albanians share a common ancestry with the Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, etc. Granted there was intermixing, but the northern Albanians were generally a very insular society. The Malsors in particular did not mix (until recently). You can read about this in Carlton S Coon's "The Mountains of Giants: A racial and cultural study of the Northern Albanian Mountain Ghegs."
You may see a commonality of DNA between Albanians and Croats, Montenegrins, and even Serbs because the Slavic peoples assimilated some of the Illyrian populations. The Illyrians are the progenitors of the Albanians, and the Slavs assimilated a significant portion of the Illyrian populations. This is especially true for Croats and Montenegrins. |
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It is incorrect to state that the Albanians share a common ancestry with the Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, etc. Granted there was intermixing, but the northern Albanians were generally a very insular society. The Malsors in particular did not mix (until recently). You can read about this in Carlton S Coon's "The Mountains of Giants: A racial and cultural study of the Northern Albanian Mountain Ghegs." You may see a commonality of DNA between Albanians and Croats, Montenegrins, and even Serbs because the Slavic peoples assimilated some of the Illyrian populations. The Illyrians are the progenitors of the Albanians, and the Slavs assimilated a significant portion of the Illyrian populations. This is especially true for Croats and Montenegrins. Not me saying it, it's science and it seems to be very correct. Do you know how much turn over there was in Malsia Madhe since the 1st millnenia? I can name right now 5 regions in Malsia that were invaded and settled by foreigners. Also, durring the first ottoman invasion, low landers fled to the mountains in droves, and this was in the early 1300's, late 1200's. Bosnians settled the Albainain alps also. The Serbian empire rules the north for over 100 years in medieval times. |