Posted: 4/18/2013 4:11:01 PM EDT
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I just got permission from Bill Green to post what really happened . Let me tell a little about. Bill first . He's a 4yr army vet , hard working family man and is just a common kind a guy Bill needed some money so he asked a friend to post his ar for sale on face book . Got a response on Wednesday the 10th. Would be buyer came over on Thursday the 11th. To look at gun and said he was interested . Sunday the 14th calls Bill and asked to have it taken off face book that he was gonna buy it . Told Bill he had to get some money owed to him buy some friends and he would be there on Tuesday the 16th . Tuesday came , Bill sold him the ar . The guy left and 10-15 min later the NYSP were there arresting Bill charging him with two misdemeanors .
His first court hearing is at the old south glensfalls state police barracks on rt 9 , Thursday the 25th at 9am . there is gonna be a hearing scheduled for the future . When I find out I'll let you all know . Bill also ask that we give him his home privacy . There's been enough intrusions with the media . |
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Can you please post this in my other thread
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/524709_Protest_Persecution_at_Moreau_Town_Court.html We need to be there to protest! Also seems odd that the hearing would be at the state police barracks but I am okay with protesting there. Lets make it happen |
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Can you please post this in my other thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/524709_Protest_Persecution_at_Moreau_Town_Court.html We need to be there to protest! Also seems odd that the hearing would be at the state police barracks but I am okay with protesting there. Lets make it happen WTF, state police barracks??!! Never thought I would say this but does the governor not trust the judges?? Fear of nullification???? |
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Can you please post this in my other thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/524709_Protest_Persecution_at_Moreau_Town_Court.html We need to be there to protest! Also seems odd that the hearing would be at the state police barracks but I am okay with protesting there. Lets make it happen Sorry don't know how to transfer this to your sight . I'm a bit on the computer illiterate side . Had to thumb this in using my phone . Only way I know is to do it all over again . If that's what I need to do I'll do it . 
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This is being done to make all upstate gun owners fearful that all potential purchasers are Cumhole/ Schneiderman shills . I would never sell a gun to someone that I didn't know well
before this criminal shit started , today you have to be smoking crack to think that's OK . |
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I do not think there should be anything illegal about selling your personal property to anyone you want ( as long as they are not a criminal, or prohibited). The fact that the law exists does make it a crime though; to do so is not a very wise thing. To sell it to someone you don't know, is risky and not very smart. To advertise it on facebook....that takes it to another level of retarded though. Just out of curiosity, what does the fact that he served 4 years have to do with this...Is it a testimonial of good moral character, inability to do wrong and a general positive demeanor? I am not saying anything against anyone here...but it just seems like every time someone is arrested for a gun crime, the fact that they served is trotted out as if it is supposed to clear them of any wrong doing. This is 3 in a row I think ( magazine guy, AK guy, this guy). |
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I do not think there should be anything illegal about selling your personal property to anyone you want ( as long as they are not a criminal, or prohibited). The fact that the law exists does make it a crime though; to do so is not a very wise thing. To sell it to someone you don't know, is risky and not very smart. To advertise it on facebook....that takes it to another level of retarded though. Just out of curiosity, what does the fact that he served 4 years have to do with this...Is it a testimonial of good moral character, inability to do wrong and a general positive demeanor? I am not saying anything against anyone here...but it just seems like every time someone is arrested for a gun crime, the fact that they served is trotted out as if it is supposed to clear them of any wrong doing. This is 3 in a row I think ( magazine guy, AK guy, this guy). Wow yes you are so correct. We should all just follow these unconstitutional laws so we do not get in trouble. |
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I do not think there should be anything illegal about selling your personal property to anyone you want ( as long as they are not a criminal, or prohibited). The fact that the law exists does make it a crime though; to do so is not a very wise thing. To sell it to someone you don't know, is risky and not very smart. To advertise it on facebook....that takes it to another level of retarded though. Just out of curiosity, what does the fact that he served 4 years have to do with this...Is it a testimonial of good moral character, inability to do wrong and a general positive demeanor? I am not saying anything against anyone here...but it just seems like every time someone is arrested for a gun crime, the fact that they served is trotted out as if it is supposed to clear them of any wrong doing. This is 3 in a row I think ( magazine guy, AK guy, this guy). Wow yes you are so correct. We should all just follow these unconstitutional laws so we do not get in trouble. Seriously? So, you are selling stuff openly on facebook? Please provide a link to the sale. ETA: did you not bother to read the very fucking first sentence of my post....or did you just forget reading it by the time you got to the end? |
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I do not think there should be anything illegal about selling your personal property to anyone you want ( as long as they are not a criminal, or prohibited). The fact that the law exists does make it a crime though; to do so is not a very wise thing. To sell it to someone you don't know, is risky and not very smart. To advertise it on facebook....that takes it to another level of retarded though. Just out of curiosity, what does the fact that he served 4 years have to do with this...Is it a testimonial of good moral character, inability to do wrong and a general positive demeanor? I am not saying anything against anyone here...but it just seems like every time someone is arrested for a gun crime, the fact that they served is trotted out as if it is supposed to clear them of any wrong doing. This is 3 in a row I think ( magazine guy, AK guy, this guy). I for one have the up-most respect for someone who offers their services for my country . To me it speaks some for their character . And as far as selling illegal , Bill was under the assumption 4/15/14 was the date . I don't think anyone fully understands this safe act . |
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I do not think there should be anything illegal about selling your personal property to anyone you want ( as long as they are not a criminal, or prohibited). The fact that the law exists does make it a crime though; to do so is not a very wise thing. To sell it to someone you don't know, is risky and not very smart. To advertise it on facebook....that takes it to another level of retarded though. Just out of curiosity, what does the fact that he served 4 years have to do with this...Is it a testimonial of good moral character, inability to do wrong and a general positive demeanor? I am not saying anything against anyone here...but it just seems like every time someone is arrested for a gun crime, the fact that they served is trotted out as if it is supposed to clear them of any wrong doing. This is 3 in a row I think ( magazine guy, AK guy, this guy). Wow yes you are so correct. We should all just follow these unconstitutional laws so we do not get in trouble. Seriously? So, you are selling stuff openly on facebook? Please provide a link to the sale. ETA: did you not bother to read the very fucking first sentence of my post....or did you just forget reading it by the time you got to the end? I would assume that the offence was taken from the fact that you said, in a round about way, "He did something stupid and shouldn't have been caught." Are you right that it was stupid to sell it on Facebook? Yeah. Would I ever sell a gun to someone I don't personally know? No. But we are all gun nuts who keep up on all this crap. We know what's really going on because it's our hobby and for most here, it's our passion. That's why we're here in the first place. However, most guys are just gun owners who probably don't know that there's a magical date that was pulled from Cuomo's ass, that when crossed, makes something we've all been doing for years suddenly illegal and will net you some clink time unless you're lucky The dialogue needs to be this: Fuck this situation. Fuck the jackboots who screwed him. Fuck Cuomo. Fuck Unconstitutional laws. This guy was set up and screwed over, and i'm going to help how I can. I don't give a shit why he got caught. He wasn't trafficking drugs and this is an add on charge. He didn't sell a pound of coke with the rifle. He hasn't been practicing crime his whole life and has finally been caught. This is the ONLY thing he did wrong and it's bullshit. I care that they're frying a presumably good guy under an unconstitutional and civil rights violating law. Sorry for the foul mouth but this has me in a mood. -End rant To sum it up: We all need to stick together on this |
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I do not think there should be anything illegal about selling your personal property to anyone you want ( as long as they are not a criminal, or prohibited). The fact that the law exists does make it a crime though; to do so is not a very wise thing. To sell it to someone you don't know, is risky and not very smart. To advertise it on facebook....that takes it to another level of retarded though. Just out of curiosity, what does the fact that he served 4 years have to do with this...Is it a testimonial of good moral character, inability to do wrong and a general positive demeanor? I am not saying anything against anyone here...but it just seems like every time someone is arrested for a gun crime, the fact that they served is trotted out as if it is supposed to clear them of any wrong doing. This is 3 in a row I think ( magazine guy, AK guy, this guy). Wow yes you are so correct. We should all just follow these unconstitutional laws so we do not get in trouble. Seriously? So, you are selling stuff openly on facebook? Please provide a link to the sale. ETA: did you not bother to read the very fucking first sentence of my post....or did you just forget reading it by the time you got to the end? I would assume that the offence was taken from the fact that you said, in a round about way, "He did something stupid and shouldn't have been caught." Are you right that it was stupid to sell it on Facebook? Yeah. Would I ever sell a gun to someone I don't personally know? No. But we are all gun nuts who keep up on all this crap. We know what's really going on because it's our hobby and for most here, it's our passion. That's why we're here in the first place. However, most guys are just gun owners who probably don't know that there's a magical date that was pulled from Cuomo's ass, that when crossed, makes something we've all been doing for years suddenly illegal and will net you some clink time unless you're lucky The dialogue needs to be this: Fuck this situation. Fuck the jackboots who screwed him. Fuck Cuomo. Fuck Unconstitutional laws. This guy was set up and screwed over, and i'm going to help how I can. I don't give a shit why he got caught. He wasn't trafficking drugs and this is an add on charge. He didn't sell a pound of coke with the rifle. He hasn't been practicing crime his whole life and has finally been caught. This is the ONLY thing he did wrong and it's bullshit. I care that they're frying a presumably good guy under an unconstitutional and civil rights violating law. Sorry for the foul mouth but this has me in a mood. -End rant To sum it up: We all need to stick together on this Now, I do understand what you are saying about the posibility he simply did not know....I can see how its possible for someone who does not have TV, radio, read newspapers or surf the web to have no idea about these laws, I just assumed that everyone has a vague idea that things have changed. I concede that it could have nearly been gross ignorance instead of simple stupidly. |
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Now, I do understand what you are saying about the posibility he simply did not know....I can see how its possible for someone who does not have TV, radio, read newspapers or surf the web to have no idea about these laws, I just assumed that everyone has a vague idea that things have changed. I concede that it could have nearly been gross ignorance instead of simple stupidly. Hang on...wait... yeah that's definitely sarcasm I smell. Looks like you cooked it well done too. Bravo. Now to be serious. Not to see the confusion that is created by the multiple dates (march? April 15th? January 2014?), different deadlines for different "offenses", and expectations on people to pick which news report is true is just unreal. You're acting like it's not possible for him to have assumed he was being compliant. It's 100% possible for him to have seen a report saying that he needs to register his rifle by the end of the year or get rid of it. So hearing that he was assuming that he was following "orders" as he was supposed to by selling it. I feel like I'm talking with Cuomo here with you acting like this bill isn't messy and rushed. There's lots of confusion if you talk to normal people around you about it. Not just the "gun guys" |
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Now, I do understand what you are saying about the posibility he simply did not know....I can see how its possible for someone who does not have TV, radio, read newspapers or surf the web to have no idea about these laws, I just assumed that everyone has a vague idea that things have changed. I concede that it could have nearly been gross ignorance instead of simple stupidly. Hang on...wait... yeah that's definitely sarcasm I smell. Looks like you cooked it well done too. Bravo. Now to be serious. Not to see the confusion that is created by the multiple dates (march? April 15th? January 2014?), different deadlines for different "offenses", and expectations on people to pick which news report is true is just unreal. You're acting like it's not possible for him to have assumed he was being compliant. It's 100% possible for him to have seen a report saying that he needs to register his rifle by the end of the year or get rid of it. So hearing that he was assuming that he was following "orders" as he was supposed to by selling it. I feel like I'm talking with Cuomo here with you acting like this bill isn't messy and rushed. There's lots of confusion if you talk to normal people around you about it. Not just the "gun guys" I agree its messy, I know its confusing, I understand that most people are flummoxed by the entire steaming pile of shit. It's just that the entire "assault weapon" thing was the single most known part of it; that's the only part most people know, it's the part that happened on day one, it was the supposed reason for the message of necessity. You could sit a monkey down with that bill....and come back an hour later and he would say " all I really understand is AR15s are forbidden to buy or sell". It just baffles me to think that someone could miss that part. I am sorry if I sound like a meanie, its just that I am not capable of understanding how someone could possibly be so unaware. |
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Looks like we have outed a Fifth Column member in our midst. Welcome to my ignore list (a very select group btw). LOL, you have got to be shitting me. That's a pretty hefty accusation you are making there... Just what are you basing this on? Are you actualy saying that posting an AR for sale on fucking facebook is a SMART thing to do? ETA: for the info of the non-ignorant here; I will support the guy, I will probably even donate to his defense fund, but I am firm in my belief that it was a very stupid thing to do....unless he did it on purpose, knowing it was a cop and was willing to take the ride to prove a point than it was a ballsy move! |
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Only thing Bill is guilty of is not fully understanding this new safe act law . I myself am amazed with the people who don't understand it . Just because you or I understand it doesn't mean the next guy does . Bill is definitely not gonna be the last .
And let's not forget he was set up and strung along until the day after the law was in effect . I read the whole email conversation between him and the buyer . From what I read the deal was done on Sunday even though they didn't make the exchange until Tuesday . Sunday is when he made the commitment . Still , all this is irrelevant because it was done out of not knowing the law went into effect . Bottom line , are we gonna sit around and bitch about , he should of this or should of that , or are we gonna pull together and stand with him for a common cause ! |
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Only thing Bill is guilty of is not fully understanding this new safe act law . I myself am amazed with the people who don't understand it . Just because you or I understand it doesn't mean the next guy does . Bill is definitely not gonna be the last . And let's not forget he was set up and strung along until the day after the law was in effect . I read the whole email conversation between him and the buyer . From what I read the deal was done on Sunday even though they didn't make the exchange until Tuesday . Sunday is when he made the commitment . Still , all this is irrelevant because it was done out of not knowing the law went into effect . Bottom line , are we gonna sit around and bitch about , he should of this or should of that , or are we gonna pull together and stand with him for a common cause ! Bill is that you?
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I'm willing to guess many of our older gun owners have no clue always passed. They're just doing what' they know has been illegal for decades and to them nothing's changed. It's true. My dad still doesn't believe me when I told him which of his guns he will have to register. |
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I feel bad for the guy. Obviously he didnt know what was up or clearly he would not have broken the law. But...with the colossal shitstorm of media, press, website activity, news coverage, pro/anti tv commercials, etc., being a responsible gun owner, he should have done his due dilligence and had all his Ts crossed and Is dotted before he sold the very firearm that is the epi-center of this SAFE act debacle. I am 100% on his side, but in this environment we are currently stuck in, it is imperative to follow the letter of the law, OR, be fully prepared to spend time and money, lots of it, to defend yourself, because they will hit you with both barrels to make an example out of you and to prove that all gun owners are not as responsible and intelligent as we want the antis to believe.
Until this is repealed we need to be smarter than they are and not give them ammo to weaken our campaign. The Facebook issue is a whole 'nother issue that I wont even comment on. |
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How well do we understand this new law ? A friend of mine was on the phone with a rep from the NYSRAPA , asking question about Bills case . Seems the sale of an assault weapon within NYS is illegal as of the day the bill was signed .  Only return borrowed rifles to friends while reimbursing them for beer money. Selling a gun on Craigslist/Facebook = 
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Quoted: How well do we understand this new law ? A friend of mine was on the phone with a rep from the NYSRAPA , asking question about Bills case . Seems the sale of an assault weapon within NYS is illegal as of the day the bill was signed . This was clear from day one. That was one of Cuomo's reasons for the secrecy of the SAFE Act bill, message of necessity and midnight passage of the Senate bill. |