[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Registering (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/14/2013 5:25:41 PM EDT
| So tomorrow marks the day when the law is put into place and I have a question that all you guys are going to say not to register and I agree with you I just want to know the answer to my question. If someone does register there ar or all guns if that's what is required... Once registered can there be as many evil features as wanted except for the obvious ones like grenade launchers etc? |
I just want to know the answer to my question of if someone registers can they have any evil features they please?
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This question again? You can put as many features on them as you want right now even before registering it. There is no limit feature. It is already classified as an assault weapon. Everything is open to interpretation. Imagine that.... There is a law that is open to interpretation to make you a felon. That alone should have it thrown out. |
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This question again? You can put as many features on them as you want right now even before registering it. There is no limit feature. It is already classified as an assault weapon. Don't take this as me going against you because it's not I want to be able to load up with features but is this your own opinion or something you have information to back up this accusation with? |
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This question again? You can put as many features on them as you want right now even before registering it. There is no limit feature. It is already classified as an assault weapon. Don't take this as me going against you because it's not I want to be able to load up with features but is this your own opinion or something you have information to back up this accusation with? Did you read the law? Prior to this new law no one in NYS legally owned an assault rifle. Now our 1 feature rifles have become assault rifles. We now legally own assault rifles. The only use of the feature test system was to identify whether your rifle was an assault rifle or not. Features were never banned in of themselves even in the old law. You were allowed 1 feature. That 1 feature on an Ar15 was a Pistol grip. If you removed the grip under the old law you could have a flash supressor. No flash supressor or grip and you could have an adjustable stock. Take fs2000 for example this rifle was NY legal with a flash supressor because it had no pistol grip only a thumbhole stock. Now you have multiple classifying features on your rifle making it an assault rifle under the new law. Pre ban and post ban is out the window. Its either an assault rifle or its not. If its not currently an assault rifle then it can never become one under the new law. There is no way under the new law for you to be charged with having certain features on your rifle just as there was no way for them to charge you for having certain features under the previous law. |
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Possibly, but we haven't had to turn in our handguns yet, and those little evil things are involved in far more crimes. Just sayin' Handguns weren't banned and grandfathered. Handguns weren't viewed as weapons of war that civilians shouldn't have. Ban on handguns wasn't proposed by the governor. |
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Possibly, but we haven't had to turn in our handguns yet, and those little evil things are involved in far more crimes. Just sayin' Handguns weren't banned and grandfathered. Handguns weren't viewed as weapons of war that civilians shouldn't have. Ban on handguns wasn't proposed by the governor. Funny how they go after semi auto long guns instead of the handguns which account for most firearm related homicides... I think handguns account for somewhere around 72% of all firearm related homicides... 1981 |
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Possibly, but we haven't had to turn in our handguns yet, and those little evil things are involved in far more crimes. Just sayin' Handguns weren't banned and grandfathered. Handguns weren't viewed as weapons of war that civilians shouldn't have. Ban on handguns wasn't proposed by the governor. Funny how they go after semi auto long guns instead of the handguns which account for most firearm related homicides... I think handguns account for somewhere around 72% of all firearm related homicides... 1981 Not to split hairs, but what accounts for any homicide, is the evil behavior of a human. Lets not fall into the trap of letting the liberals dictate the conversation. Guns don't cause crime. 
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This question again? You can put as many features on them as you want right now even before registering it. There is no limit feature. It is already classified as an assault weapon. Don't take this as me going against you because it's not I want to be able to load up with features but is this your own opinion or something you have information to back up this accusation with? Did you read the law? Prior to this new law no one in NYS legally owned an assault rifle. Now our 1 feature rifles have become assault rifles. We now legally own assault rifles. The only use of the feature test system was to identify whether your rifle was an assault rifle or not. Features were never banned in of themselves even in the old law. You were allowed 1 feature. That 1 feature on an Ar15 was a Pistol grip. If you removed the grip under the old law you could have a flash supressor. No flash supressor or grip and you could have an adjustable stock. Take fs2000 for example this rifle was NY legal with a flash supressor because it had no pistol grip only a thumbhole stock. Now you have multiple classifying features on your rifle making it an assault rifle under the new law. Pre ban and post ban is out the window. Its either an assault rifle or its not. If its not currently an assault rifle then it can never become one under the new law. There is no way under the new law for you to be charged with having certain features on your rifle just as there was no way for them to charge you for having certain features under the previous law. Not arguing with you just trying to understand something. You stated that "prior to the new law no one in NYS owned an assault rifle". If you owned a sporting rifle that was manufactured before the 1994 ban with all "evil features" it was grandfathered in, but was still classified as an "assault weapon". It was legal to own, but still an assault weapon, no? Again, just trying to better understand. |
| Hypothetically speaking (since I do not have any guns to register), is the NYSP going to provide proof in some form of registration? For example, a card to carry around to show authorities that the gun you have in your poesession is indeed registered? How is this supposed to work? |
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Hypothetically speaking (since I do not have any guns to register), is the NYSP going to provide proof in some form of registration? For example, a card to carry around to show authorities that the gun you have in your poesession is indeed registered? How is this supposed to work? Serial number and a phone call or check on the laptop in their car. |
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Hypothetically speaking (since I do not have any guns to register), is the NYSP going to provide proof in some form of registration? For example, a card to carry around to show authorities that the gun you have in your poesession is indeed registered? How is this supposed to work? Serial number and a phone call or check on the laptop in their car. 
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The form is online now too. http://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/documents/PPB-11-1.pdf The is an application. There is a section that has an approval. Also the important part. The gun must be recertified every 5 years! What does that mean? It means that every 5 years, due to some glitch in the system or cases of mistaken identity, hundreds if not thousands of NYers will be getting "turn in letters" and/or home visits by the cops to surrender their stuff. DON'T FUCKING REGISTER DICK! |
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Possibly, but we haven't had to turn in our handguns yet, and those little evil things are involved in far more crimes. Just sayin' This may be true, but in NYC we were also told to register and later came the "all assault weapons are illegal". Cuomo would have first done confiscation, but realized that there would be way too much money and time spent trying to find these "assault weapons". Even if they were able to locate an address (through serial #'s and FFl's records, etc.) of someone that may have had one, they still were up against the fact that the individual could just say "I sold it" and it would be a dead end. They did it this way so we would do all the ground work for them. Once you register, you just gave them all the info they needed. They now know where they are exactly. You can't transfer that rifle to anyone in your family (son, daughter, etc) that lives in NY. When you die, they will come and take that rifle. If you do decide to sell it out of state or transfer it, you need to notify the NYSP of that transaction no later then 72 hours after it takes place. What this all means it that when time comes for confiscation and you can bet your house it will come, probably sooner then later. There will be no more excuses like "I sold it" or "I don't have it" without records to back it up. REGISTRATION LEADS TO CONFISCATION and NYC is living proof. |
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Quoted: Possibly, but we haven't had to turn in our handguns yet, and those little evil things are involved in far more crimes. Just sayin' Quite true except I do not recall anyone in the governors position advocating the confiscation of all handguns like Cuomo did in reference to "Assault Weapons" back in December. Second we have already had confiscation of registered "Assault Weapons" in New York City so there is precedent for that. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Possibly, but we haven't had to turn in our handguns yet, and those little evil things are involved in far more crimes. Just sayin' This may be true, but in NYC we were also told to register and later came the "all assault weapons are illegal". Cuomo would have first done confiscation, but realized that there would be way too much money and time spent trying to find these "assault weapons". Even if they were able to locate an address (through serial #'s and FFl's records, etc.) of someone that may have had one, they still were up against the fact that the individual could just say they "I sold it" and it would be a dead end. They did it this way so we would do all the ground work for them. Once you register, you just gave them all the info they needed. They now know where they are exactly. You can't transfer that rifle to anyone in your family (son, daughter, etc) that lives in NY. When you die, they will come and take that rifle. If you do decide to sell it out of state or transfer it, you need to notify the NYSP of that transaction no later then 72 hours after it takes place. What this all means it that when time comes for confiscation and you can bet your house it will come, probably sooner then later. There will be no more excuses like "I sold it" or "I don't have it" without records to back it up. REGISTRATION LEADS TO CONFISCATION and NYC is living proof. +1 (Missed this on the second page when I made my comment) |
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Possibly, but we haven't had to turn in our handguns yet, and those little evil things are involved in far more crimes. Just sayin' This may be true, but in NYC we were also told to register and later came the "all assault weapons are illegal". Cuomo would have first done confiscation, but realized that there would be way too much money and time spent trying to find these "assault weapons". Even if they were able to locate an address (through serial #'s and FFl's records, etc.) of someone that may have had one, they still were up against the fact that the individual could just say they "I sold it" and it would be a dead end. They did it this way so we would do all the ground work for them. Once you register, you just gave them all the info they needed. They now know where they are exactly. You can't transfer that rifle to anyone in your family (son, daughter, etc) that lives in NY. When you die, they will come and take that rifle. If you do decide to sell it out of state or transfer it, you need to notify the NYSP of that transaction no later then 72 hours after it takes place. What this all means it that when time comes for confiscation and you can bet your house it will come, probably sooner then later. There will be no more excuses like "I sold it" or "I don't have it" without records to back it up. REGISTRATION LEADS TO CONFISCATION and NYC is living proof. +1 (Missed this on the second page when I made my comment) Brilliant minds think alike LOL! |
| Don't register and the gun can never leave the hole in the back yard, pretty useless. Register one and they know your name when the time comes to get the rest. What to do? If I had evil weapons only the state and federal LEO/military should be allowed to have and keep, I would disable the gas systems and continue to scare the libtards legally with a awesome 10 round magazine in it and not be on any "we're coming to get them sooner or later" list. -just saying. |
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Don't register and the gun can never leave the hole in the back yard, pretty useless. Register one and they know your name when the time comes to get the rest. What to do? If I had evil weapons only the state and federal LEO/military should be allowed to have and keep, I would disable the gas systems and continue to scare the libtards legally with a awesome 10 round magazine in it and not be on any "we're coming to get them sooner or later" list. -just saying. Or make sure your semi-auto sporting rifle has none of the banned features and then you can use it without registering it. |
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This question again? You can put as many features on them as you want right now even before registering it. There is no limit feature. It is already classified as an assault weapon. Don't take this as me going against you because it's not I want to be able to load up with features but is this your own opinion or something you have information to back up this accusation with? Did you read the law? Prior to this new law no one in NYS legally owned an assault rifle. Now our 1 feature rifles have become assault rifles. We now legally own assault rifles. The only use of the feature test system was to identify whether your rifle was an assault rifle or not. Features were never banned in of themselves even in the old law. You were allowed 1 feature. That 1 feature on an Ar15 was a Pistol grip. If you removed the grip under the old law you could have a flash supressor. No flash supressor or grip and you could have an adjustable stock. Take fs2000 for example this rifle was NY legal with a flash supressor because it had no pistol grip only a thumbhole stock. Now you have multiple classifying features on your rifle making it an assault rifle under the new law. Pre ban and post ban is out the window. Its either an assault rifle or its not. If its not currently an assault rifle then it can never become one under the new law. There is no way under the new law for you to be charged with having certain features on your rifle just as there was no way for them to charge you for having certain features under the previous law. Not arguing with you just trying to understand something. You stated that "prior to the new law no one in NYS owned an assault rifle". If you owned a sporting rifle that was manufactured before the 1994 ban with all "evil features" it was grandfathered in, but was still classified as an "assault weapon". It was legal to own, but still an assault weapon, no? Again, just trying to better understand. No according to the old definition of an assault weapon any weapon manufactured prior to the 1994 ban was NOT an assault weapon. |
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Don't register and the gun can never leave the hole in the back yard, pretty useless. Register one and they know your name when the time comes to get the rest. What to do? If I had evil weapons only the state and federal LEO/military should be allowed to have and keep, I would disable the gas systems and continue to scare the libtards legally with a awesome 10 round magazine in it and not be on any "we're coming to get them sooner or later" list. -just saying. This |
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After considering my options, I decided months ago to just enjoy shooting my rifle this year then send it out of state and wait till I can be free of this place, or perhaps the miracle of an overturned "SAFE" Act.
But what I've suspected all along has been confirmed, there's no way I'd be able to register anyway. My residence is in NYC, but I keep a NYC-forbidden rifle with family outside the city. With the DMV Crosscheck If I put down my home address, I'd be red-flagged for keeping an AW in NYC, If i put in the address where the rifle actually is, I'd be red-flagged as putting down a fraudulent home address. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of people who keep Too-Evil-For-NYC Items outside the city.... this used to be legal, looks like in many cases it no longer will be. |
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After considering my options, I decided months ago to just enjoy shooting my rifle this year then send it out of state and wait till I can be free of this place, or perhaps the miracle of an overturned "SAFE" Act. But what I've suspected all along has been confirmed, there's no way I'd be able to register anyway. My residence is in NYC, but I keep a NYC-forbidden rifle with family outside the city. With the DMV Crosscheck If I put down my home address, I'd be red-flagged for keeping an AW in NYC, If i put in the address where the rifle actually is, I'd be red-flagged as putting down a fraudulent home address. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of people who keep Too-Evil-For-NYC Items outside the city.... this used to be legal, looks like in many cases it no longer will be. Does anyone know if it would be legal to keep a registered "assault weapon" at a second residence (which is also in your name) if your primary residence is NYC? Just asking, not that I have any to register. |
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Yeah there are some serious issues with registration regarding addresses, clearly.
Here's another. I'm a NY resident, but my primary residence/domicile is Florida. I have a Florida Drivers license and no NY one; that is against the DMV codes of both states. I own property in NY and have for 30 years. Now, IF I had an AW that I wanted to register to my property in NY, I couldn't do it I don't think. The form asks for my NY ID number and I don't/can't have one by law. Now how the hell am I supposed to comply with that? |
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Yeah there are some serious issues with registration regarding addresses, clearly. Here's another. I'm a NY resident, but my primary residence/domicile is Florida. I have a Florida Drivers license and no NY one; that is against the DMV codes of both states. I own property in NY and have for 30 years. Now, IF I had an AW that I wanted to register to my property in NY, I couldn't do it I don't think. The form asks for my NY ID number and I don't/can't have one by law. Now how the hell am I supposed to comply with that? Just keep it in Florida |
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After considering my options, I decided months ago to just enjoy shooting my rifle this year then send it out of state and wait till I can be free of this place, or perhaps the miracle of an overturned "SAFE" Act. But what I've suspected all along has been confirmed, there's no way I'd be able to register anyway. My residence is in NYC, but I keep a NYC-forbidden rifle with family outside the city. With the DMV Crosscheck If I put down my home address, I'd be red-flagged for keeping an AW in NYC, If i put in the address where the rifle actually is, I'd be red-flagged as putting down a fraudulent home address. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of people who keep Too-Evil-For-NYC Items outside the city.... this used to be legal, looks like in many cases it no longer will be. Does anyone know if it would be legal to keep a registered "assault weapon" at a second residence (which is also in your name) if your primary residence is NYC? Just asking, not that I have any to register. Probably depend on where your second residence is.. Outside of nys or ny altogether |
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After considering my options, I decided months ago to just enjoy shooting my rifle this year then send it out of state and wait till I can be free of this place, or perhaps the miracle of an overturned "SAFE" Act. But what I've suspected all along has been confirmed, there's no way I'd be able to register anyway. My residence is in NYC, but I keep a NYC-forbidden rifle with family outside the city. With the DMV Crosscheck If I put down my home address, I'd be red-flagged for keeping an AW in NYC, If i put in the address where the rifle actually is, I'd be red-flagged as putting down a fraudulent home address. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of people who keep Too-Evil-For-NYC Items outside the city.... this used to be legal, looks like in many cases it no longer will be. Does anyone know if it would be legal to keep a registered "assault weapon" at a second residence (which is also in your name) if your primary residence is NYC? Just asking, not that I have any to register. Probably depend on where your second residence is.. Outside of nys or ny altogether If it was outside of NY I wouldn't be asking. My second residence is in upstate NY |
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Yeah there are some serious issues with registration regarding addresses, clearly. Here's another. I'm a NY resident, but my primary residence/domicile is Florida. I have a Florida Drivers license and no NY one; that is against the DMV codes of both states. I own property in NY and have for 30 years. Now, IF I had an AW that I wanted to register to my property in NY, I couldn't do it I don't think. The form asks for my NY ID number and I don't/can't have one by law. Now how the hell am I supposed to comply with that? Just keep it in Florida I mean, I spend a fairly substantial amount of time in NY every year, just not a majority. And I have a ton of property in NY which is ideal for shooting. It makes sense that I would want to have one there, despite having a few in Florida. Honestly, the one I register in NY would probably travel back and forth to and from both states every year. The registration is really just permission to have it there for me if I want it. |
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Yeah there are some serious issues with registration regarding addresses, clearly. Here's another. I'm a NY resident, but my primary residence/domicile is Florida. I have a Florida Drivers license and no NY one; that is against the DMV codes of both states. I own property in NY and have for 30 years. Now, IF I had an AW that I wanted to register to my property in NY, I couldn't do it I don't think. The form asks for my NY ID number and I don't/can't have one by law. Now how the hell am I supposed to comply with that? Just keep it in Florida I mean, I spend a fairly substantial amount of time in NY every year, just not a majority. And I have a ton of property in NY which is ideal for shooting. It makes sense that I would want to have one there, despite having a few in Florida. Honestly, the one I register in NY would probably travel back and forth to and from both states every year. The registration is really just permission to have it there for me if I want it. I don't blame ya |
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Yeah there are some serious issues with registration regarding addresses, clearly. Here's another. I'm a NY resident, but my primary residence/domicile is Florida. I have a Florida Drivers license and no NY one; that is against the DMV codes of both states. I own property in NY and have for 30 years. Now, IF I had an AW that I wanted to register to my property in NY, I couldn't do it I don't think. The form asks for my NY ID number and I don't/can't have one by law. Now how the hell am I supposed to comply with that? Just keep it in Florida I mean, I spend a fairly substantial amount of time in NY every year, just not a majority. And I have a ton of property in NY which is ideal for shooting. It makes sense that I would want to have one there, despite having a few in Florida. Honestly, the one I register in NY would probably travel back and forth to and from both states every year. The registration is really just permission to have it there for me if I want it. Jesus, I am full of WTF here... Be a FL resident and only come here for Non resident hunting or "some" shooting competition/training... Don't even give them the satisfaction of registering one rifle that will travel with you... FUCK, I can't stand seeing someone with so many "outs" even talking about the possibility. Way to take a stand. As the NYSP Super walks into cumo's office. "Hey Chuckles, take a look at this shit... we got guys from FL that only own property in NY registering things... Cumo, Lets see how far we can take this!" |
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I don't see that it would be a problem just so you register it and had it at second residence and not in nyc.. But you never know what the government is going to do next Use the paper form and attach a note with the address the guns are kept at. Nothing in the law I can find says the guns must be kept at your primary residence if you have more than one. |