Posted: 12/10/2011 7:26:38 AM EDT
| If an instructor comes to NY to teach a pistol course, is he allowed to shoot? Does HR822 cover him? How about students attending from out of state that have a ccw in their state? Who can I ask for definitive answers? |
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If an instructor comes to NY to teach a pistol course, is he allowed to shoot? Does HR822 cover him? How about students attending from out of state that have a ccw in their state? Who can I ask for definitive answers? Students can come from out of state to shoot a class in NY. I have attended MDTS classes with people from PA and Canada. I am not sure what the procedure is. |
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My understanding was sanctioned competitions only....
265.20 13. Possession of pistols and revolvers by a person who is a
nonresident of this state while attending or traveling to or from, an organized competitive pistol match or league competition under auspices of, or approved by, the National Rifle Association and in which he is a competitor, within forty-eight hours of such event or by a person who is a non-resident of the state while attending or traveling to or from an organized match sanctioned by the International Handgun Metallic Silhouette Association and in which he is a competitor, within forty-eight hours of such event, provided that he has not been previously convicted of a felony or a crime which, if committed in New York, would constitute a felony, and further provided that the pistols or revolvers are transported unloaded in a locked opaque container together with a copy of the match program, match schedule or match registration card. Such documentation shall constitute prima facie evidence of exemption, providing that such person also has in his possession a pistol license or firearms registration card issued in accordance with the laws of his place of residence. For purposes of this subdivision, a person licensed in a jurisdiction which does not authorize such license by a person who has been previously convicted of a felony shall be presumed to have no prior conviction. The superintendent of state police shall annually review the laws of jurisdictions within the United States and Canada with respect to the applicable requirements for licensing or registration of firearms and shall publish a list of those jurisdictions which prohibit possession of a firearm by a person previously convicted of a felony or crimes which if committed in New York state would constitute a felony. 13-a. Except in cities not wholly contained within a single county of the state, possession of pistols and revolvers by a person who is a nonresident of this state while attending or traveling to or from, an organized convention or exhibition for the display of or education about firearms, which is conducted under auspices of, or approved by, the National Rifle Association and in which he is a registered participant, within forty-eight hours of such event, provided that he has not been previously convicted of a felony or a crime which, if committed in New York, would constitute a felony, and further provided that the pistols or revolvers are transported unloaded in a locked opaque container together with a copy of the convention or exhibition program, convention or exhibition schedule or convention or exhibition registration card. Such documentation shall constitute prima facie evidence of exemption, providing that such person also has in his possession a pistol license or firearms registration card issued in accordance with the laws of his place of residence. For purposes of this paragraph, a person licensed in a jurisdiction which does not authorize such license by a person who has been previously convicted of a felony shall be presumed to have no prior conviction. The superintendent of state police shall annually review the laws of jurisdictions within the United States and Canada with respect to the applicable requirements for licensing or registration of firearms and shall publish a list of those jurisdictions which prohibit possession of a firearm by a person previously convicted of a felony or crimes which if committed in New York state would constitute a felony. |
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265.20 a 1 f7 states something interesting. It says a non licensee between the ages of 12 - adult can be in the possession of a long gun under the direct supervision of....a bunch of qualified people, including NRA instructors, but nothing on handguns. 7b of the same section says a NRA instructor can run a class for someone who has applied per section 400. The law is convoluted. In short, it would be very ill advised for any non-licensee not covered under HR-218 and not in the throes of a sanctioned match to assume possession of a firearm here. /ml |
| Is he an active LEO as defined by LEOSA? If not, then no he cannot touch a handgun in NY, unless it's at an NRA sanctioned match or NRA sanctioned practice session for a match. The NYSRPA, and NRA have been very good about sanctioning alot of shoots in NY for this reason, but you'd have to check with them to get something scheduled. The law is pretty strict on this. |
| HR822 will effectively void the non-resident taboo on pistol possession (for those with carry licenses of their respective state) if enacted. NY may try to ignore it but can and will be sued, and depending on the outcome of the various carry lawsuits (Kachalsky, Muller, Hightower, Peterson, Richards, Woollard, etc.) in a year or two will likely be guilty of civil rights violations and thus able to be sued for monetary damages and when/if upon repeated incidents possibly prosecuted. This little rinky dink section 265 and its peewee court decisions are soon to be headed the way of the dodo bird. |
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Quoted: Is he an active LEO as defined by LEOSA? If not, then no he cannot touch a handgun in NY, unless it's at an NRA sanctioned match or NRA sanctioned practice session for a match. The NYSRPA, and NRA have been very good about sanctioning alot of shoots in NY for this reason, but you'd have to check with them to get something scheduled. The law is pretty strict on this. You are grossly incorrect. LEOSA covers active and qualified retired LE. Ergo, you can have someone who is retired and qualified to carry under HR218 possess a handgun in any state. |
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Is he an active LEO as defined by LEOSA? If not, then no he cannot touch a handgun in NY, unless it's at an NRA sanctioned match or NRA sanctioned practice session for a match. The NYSRPA, and NRA have been very good about sanctioning alot of shoots in NY for this reason, but you'd have to check with them to get something scheduled. The law is pretty strict on this. You are grossly incorrect. LEOSA covers active and qualified retired LE. Ergo, you can have someone who is retired and qualified to carry under HR218 possess a handgun in any state. Thanks, forgot to include that part. Just doesn't cross my mind, being that NY makes it so difficult for it's own retired officers to qualify under 218, matter of fact if it weren't for the Rockland Sheriff, no one in the lower part of the state would qualify. |