[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Microstamping passed Assembly (Page 1 of 2)
| It passed with only 77 votes, the lowest number of any antigun bill I can remember. We've been chipped away at them for years and it is paying off. They used to push through a bunch of bad bills, now they're down to just one and they had problems getting it through. |
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Quoted: It passed with only 77 votes, the lowest number of any antigun bill I can remember. Which Democrats got permission from Silver to NV or vote Nay? In 2010 it passed the Assembly Y82/N53/NV14. I still don't really understand the enacting clause or what a "microstamp job shop" is since the terms aren't defined. 29 S 7. This act shall take effect January 1, 2013, or at such time that 30 the superintendent of the state police has received written notice from 31 one or more microstamp job shops that such shop or shops are willing and 32 prepared to produce microstamp structures on two internal surfaces of a 33 semiautomatic pistol in accordance with subdivision 24 of section 265.00 34 of the penal law for a price of twelve dollars or less at a production 35 level of one thousand semiautomatic pistols per batch, whichever occurs 36 later; provided that the division of state police shall notify the 37 legislative bill drafting commission upon the occurrence of the receipt 38 of the written notice provided for in this section in order that the 39 commission may maintain an accurate and timely effective data base of 40 the official text of the laws of the state of New York in furtherance of 41 effectuating the provisions of this act, and provided further, that 42 effective immediately the superintendent of the state police shall 43 promulgate rules and regulations necessary for the implementation of 44 this act. |
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Just spoke to the NRA-ILA and they are asking people to initially contact the Senators on the Codes Committee. The Codes Committee members are:
Sen. Stephen M. Saland (Chairman) John A. DeFrancisco Thomas K. Duane Adriano Espaillat John J. Flanagan Charles J. Fuschillo Jr. Patrick M. Gallivan Michael Gianaris Martin J. Golden Shirley L. Huntley Andrew J Lanza Michael F. Nozzolio Thomas F. O'Mara Kevin S. Parker Bill Perkins Stephen M. Saland Daniel L. Squadron Furthermore, they also suggested contacting 2 new Democrat Senators who might be fence sitters - David Carlucci (Rockland County) and Tim Kennedy (58 Buffalo). |
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Don't be fooled that we are making inroads with democrats in assembly.
Democrats don't vote NO on gun bills without permission from Silver. Democrats in districts with a lot of gun owners are allowed to vote NO to look good to their constituents when Silver has enough votes to move his agenda. The former rep Ginny Fields is one perfect example of a 100% lib, who was given permission by Silver to vote against gun laws. There are not any democrats in assembly who would buck their party leader on gun issues if there weren't enough votes to pass his agenda. The senate was different. Valesky, Aubertine (gone) and Stachowski (gone) voted NO against gun laws. |
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Done, but I don't think it will do any good 
WTF is the NRA? All they do is tell us to contact our Congressmen, and sit back, take our money, and say oh well, NY is not worth it. In before some smartass asks if I'm in the NRA, or the NYSPRA  I FUCKING AM!!!!!!The real fight has always been in the NY Senate. Don't think the heat doesn't work...if not for Marty Golden taking a well-timed phone call during the floor vote this would have passed last year. The full court press worked last year and God-willing it will work again this time...assuming those chicken shits don't pull the bill mid-vote when they realize it won't pass. 
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WTF is the NRA? All they do is tell us to contact our Congressmen, and sit back, take our money, and say oh well, NY is not worth it. In before some smartass asks if I'm in the NRA, or the NYSPRA I FUCKING AM!!!!!!Well the YOU TELL US what they're SUPPOSED to do? If you've been hiding the magic wand it's time to give it up. The NRA and NYSRPA doesn't have one. |
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Quoted: The real fight has always been in the NY Senate. Don't think the heat doesn't work...if not for Marty Golden taking a well-timed phone call during the floor vote this would have passed last year. The full court press worked last year and God-willing it will work again this time...assuming those chicken shits don't pull the bill mid-vote when they realize it won't pass. That's the spin the Democrats put on it to blame the Republicans but IIRC the bill was pulled during the floor vote because three Senate Democrats voted "no". Republican Padavan broke ranks as expected and voted "yes" but the bill failed because of the three Democrats and not Golden. There won't be any floor vote in the Senate as the bill will die in the Republican controlled Senate codes committee. |
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WTF is the NRA? All they do is tell us to contact our Congressmen, and sit back, take our money, and say oh well, NY is not worth it. In before some smartass asks if I'm in the NRA, or the NYSPRA I FUCKING AM!!!!!!Well the YOU TELL US what they're SUPPOSED to do? If you've been hiding the magic wand it's time to give it up. The NRA and NYSRPA doesn't have one. You never fail me as always 
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The real fight has always been in the NY Senate. Don't think the heat doesn't work...if not for Marty Golden taking a well-timed phone call during the floor vote this would have passed last year. The full court press worked last year and God-willing it will work again this time...assuming those chicken shits don't pull the bill mid-vote when they realize it won't pass.
That's the spin the Democrats put on it to blame the Republicans but IIRC the bill was pulled during the floor vote because three Senate Democrats voted "no". Republican Padavan broke ranks as expected and voted "yes" but the bill failed because of the three Democrats and not Golden. There won't be any floor vote in the Senate as the bill will die in the Republican controlled Senate codes committee. Thanks for clearing that up. I feel a little better now Just had to vent.
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The real fight has always been in the NY Senate. Don't think the heat doesn't work...if not for Marty Golden taking a well-timed phone call during the floor vote this would have passed last year. The full court press worked last year and God-willing it will work again this time...assuming those chicken shits don't pull the bill mid-vote when they realize it won't pass.
That's the spin the Democrats put on it to blame the Republicans but IIRC the bill was pulled during the floor vote because three Senate Democrats voted "no". Republican Padavan broke ranks as expected and voted "yes" but the bill failed because of the three Democrats and not Golden. There won't be any floor vote in the Senate as the bill will die in the Republican controlled Senate codes committee. Thanks for clearing that up. I feel a little better now Just had to vent.
Every now and then we need a voice of reason. gman you have every right to vent! The shit bills like this one being passed out of the ASSembly are a disgrace! Seriously, WTF is a "microstamping job shop"?! I'm shocked that the mental muffins who write this crap ever made it out of elementary school.
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The real fight has always been in the NY Senate. Don't think the heat doesn't work...if not for Marty Golden taking a well-timed phone call during the floor vote this would have passed last year. The full court press worked last year and God-willing it will work again this time...assuming those chicken shits don't pull the bill mid-vote when they realize it won't pass.
That's the spin the Democrats put on it to blame the Republicans but IIRC the bill was pulled during the floor vote because three Senate Democrats voted "no". Republican Padavan broke ranks as expected and voted "yes" but the bill failed because of the three Democrats and not Golden. There won't be any floor vote in the Senate as the bill will die in the Republican controlled Senate codes committee. Thanks for clearing that up. I feel a little better now Just had to vent.
Every now and then we need a voice of reason. gman you have every right to vent! The shit bills like this one being passed out of the ASSembly are a disgrace! Seriously, WTF is a "microstamping job shop"?! I'm shocked that the mental muffins who write this crap ever made it out of elementary school. Thanks JW 
Getting sick and tired of most gun owners not doing nothing about this bullshit. The NRA has even adimtted that we're not worth their resources to fight for NYS, It's a good thing we have the NYSRPA here. There are so many "sportsman" who are clueless about this shit, it makes my blood boil I work with a bunch of guys who shoot, and hunt, that could give a rats ass about even contacting a rep about this shit. All they care about are when the Yankees are playing, and when football season will start again. Almost all of them haven't even joined the NRA or NYSPRA yet.
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| Honestly, I don't see the problem with microstamping. As long as the government is willing to pay for the stamping out of it's own pocket, this would give our law enforcement an extra lead. The only part I'm thinking won't work is that criminals will find a way to destroy or obscure the microstamp at the end of the firing pin. Is that everyones problem with it? |
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Honestly, I don't see the problem with microstamping. As long as the government is willing to pay for the stamping out of it's own pocket, this would give our law enforcement an extra lead. The only part I'm thinking won't work is that criminals will find a way to destroy or obscure the microstamp at the end of the firing pin. Is that everyones problem with it? Gun manufactures are already saying they will not manufacture any more handguns to send to NYS. if this passes. This we be the handgun ban they have been waiting for without even actually banning them. $40.000.000 tax dollars already spent on COBIS, and not one single crime was solved or prevented, zero, nota, zilch!!!!! You(we) are going to pay for the stamping. Sounds like you need a complete education on the reality of all these laws, before you want to make a statement like that here. I'm sure some who are far more educated than I will post here soon about all this. |
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Honestly, I don't see the problem with microstamping. As long as the government is willing to pay for the stamping out of it's own pocket, this would give our law enforcement an extra lead. The only part I'm thinking won't work is that criminals will find a way to destroy or obscure the microstamp at the end of the firing pin. Is that everyones problem with it? It does not have provisions for revolvers which do not release spent brass until you make it. Also, anyone with half a brain and a file could defeat micro stamping. It would only take one missed piece of brass from your pistol that you didn't pick up at the range for someone else to pick up and throw down at a crime scene. |
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Honestly, I don't see the problem with microstamping. As long as the government is willing to pay for the stamping out of it's own pocket, this would give our law enforcement an extra lead. The only part I'm thinking won't work is that criminals will find a way to destroy or obscure the microstamp at the end of the firing pin. Is that everyones problem with it? It does not have provisions for revolvers which do not release spent brass until you make it. Also, anyone with half a brain and a file could defeat micro stamping. It would only take one missed piece of brass from your pistol that you didn't pick up at the range for someone else to pick up and throw down at a crime scene. I'd love to go into depth about how someone planting a shell from a range would most likely end in them being busted within days, but I'd rather just say it's a bit of a stretch. No intelligent person is going to deliberately plant shells with any markings on them, locard's principle just works against them from any angle. I personally believe it's a great idea in theory, but I think you are all opposing it for the wrong reasons. Stop handgun sales in New York? Let's be real, the firearms industry will find a way to sell us handguns. Sure, I don't want to have to compromise over stupid things, but I wouldn't mind the microstamping. The more I think about it, the better of an idea it seems. But it definitely needs to be workshopped a lot more before going to the floor, because as you said, any skell criminal can file it right off and having to register a firing pin would just be an extra bureaucratic pain in the ass. Hell, isn't there a few hundred thousand we can pull from some dead end social program to research this half decently? |
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Honestly, I don't see the problem with microstamping. As long as the government is willing to pay for the stamping out of it's own pocket, this would give our law enforcement an extra lead. The only part I'm thinking won't work is that criminals will find a way to destroy or obscure the microstamp at the end of the firing pin. Is that everyones problem with it? It does not have provisions for revolvers which do not release spent brass until you make it. Also, anyone with half a brain and a file could defeat micro stamping. It would only take one missed piece of brass from your pistol that you didn't pick up at the range for someone else to pick up and throw down at a crime scene. I'd love to go into depth about how someone planting a shell from a range would most likely end in them being busted within days, but I'd rather just say it's a bit of a stretch. No intelligent person is going to deliberately plant shells with any markings on them, locard's principle just works against them from any angle. I personally believe it's a great idea in theory, but I think you are all opposing it for the wrong reasons. Stop handgun sales in New York? Let's be real, the firearms industry will find a way to sell us handguns. Sure, I don't want to have to compromise over stupid things, but I wouldn't mind the microstamping. The more I think about it, the better of an idea it seems. But it definitely needs to be workshopped a lot more before going to the floor, because as you said, any skell criminal can file it right off and having to register a firing pin would just be an extra bureaucratic pain in the ass. Hell, isn't there a few hundred thousand we can pull from some dead end social program to research this half decently? That's funny, C'mon Eric we know that's you .LOL. The objections to this are many and sound. I like the comment about someone picking up the spent brass and leaving them at a crime scene being arrested in hours. Video surveillance or too stupid to use gloves ? |
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It's just a BAD BILL. Anyone competent can order new parts from Brownells or such, and replace a barrel, extractor or firing pin. And what, criminals don't use revolvers? COBIS has shown us, year after year, that the money invested in this type of CRAP does not yield cost effective crime fighting results. The proponents of this bill will talk a good game about wanting our streets to be safer, but the reality is that crime would not be prevented. And as far as apprehension after the fact, well, there is always a way around that. The consequences of this bill would not be to make anyone safer, it would only hinder free enterprise, and continue to over-regulate law abiding people. It would be one more step towards reducing our abilities to exercise our God given rights.
This is just an example of the bullshit that the tyrants wish to push on us, instead of focusing on the REAL problems that this state faces. Ofcourse, if the politicians did start to focus on the real problems, they would quickly realize that they are a large part of OUR problems. |
Obviously, you're on the side of the gun control agenda.  Facts, logic and reason...nevermind the Bill of Rights...mean nothing to people like you.
The arguments against this microstamping bill are solid and many. Here's just 10 off the top of my head: 10. The technology doesn't work. 9. Even if it did, microstamping is easily defeated with simple, common tools such as a file. Criminals already file serial numbers off of stolen guns so we know they'll deface any microstamping pins too. 8. It cannot be used in revolvers 7. A firing pin is a $25 part that can easily be swapped out of any semi-auto handgun. 6. According to Bloomy and the gun control crowd, 90% of all crimes committed with a gun in NY involve guns obtained illegally from out of state. Therefore, the odds of any microstamped gun actually being used in a crime in NY are quite slim if not zero percent. 5. Criminals don't apply for pistol permits or register guns. Microstamping targets the law-abiding citizen and not the criminals. 4. California is the only state to pass a microstamping bill, however, it has not been implemented for the past two years because it doesn't work. That is what most people would call a "clue". 3. The same key groups who initially supported the California law have withdrawn that support after actually reviewing the independent studies showing that the technology doesn't work. 2. CoBIS is another ballistics database sytem used as an alleged crime fighting tool in NY...10 years and some $40 million in tax payer dollars later it has led to the conviction of ZERO criminals! . . . . 1. Microstamping is a just another gun ban scheme! 1a. And just what the heck is a "microstamping job shop" anyway? How do lawmakers in the ASSembly justify voting for a bill with made up words and no supporting definition whatsoever? 1b. NY leads the nation in early release of violent felons. Perhaps we should quit pussy-footing around with the criminals when we actually do convict them. Quoted:
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Honestly, I don't see the problem with microstamping. As long as the government is willing to pay for the stamping out of it's own pocket, this would give our law enforcement an extra lead. The only part I'm thinking won't work is that criminals will find a way to destroy or obscure the microstamp at the end of the firing pin. Is that everyones problem with it? It does not have provisions for revolvers which do not release spent brass until you make it. Also, anyone with half a brain and a file could defeat micro stamping. It would only take one missed piece of brass from your pistol that you didn't pick up at the range for someone else to pick up and throw down at a crime scene. I'd love to go into depth about how someone planting a shell from a range would most likely end in them being busted within days, but I'd rather just say it's a bit of a stretch. No intelligent person is going to deliberately plant shells with any markings on them, locard's principle just works against them from any angle. I personally believe it's a great idea in theory, but I think you are all opposing it for the wrong reasons. Stop handgun sales in New York? Let's be real, the firearms industry will find a way to sell us handguns. Sure, I don't want to have to compromise over stupid things, but I wouldn't mind the microstamping. The more I think about it, the better of an idea it seems. But it definitely needs to be workshopped a lot more before going to the floor, because as you said, any skell criminal can file it right off and having to register a firing pin would just be an extra bureaucratic pain in the ass. Hell, isn't there a few hundred thousand we can pull from some dead end social program to research this half decently? |
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I think Thisguy just got bitch slapped on this one.
Nice job JW 
Thisguy needs to come down to earth. It's spring here, and the weather is getting nice
Oh, by the way. There is no such thing as unicorns
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Obviously, you're on the side of the gun control agenda. Facts, logic and reason...nevermind the Bill of Rights...mean nothing to people like you.
The arguments against this microstamping bill are solid and many. Here's just 10 off the top of my head: 10. The technology doesn't work. 9. Even if it did, microstamping is easily defeated with simple, common tools such as a file. Criminals already file serial numbers off of stolen guns so we know they'll deface any microstamping pins too. 8. It cannot be used in revolvers 7. A firing pin is a $25 part that can easily be swapped out of any semi-auto handgun. 6. According to Bloomy and the gun control crowd, 90% of all crimes committed with a gun in NY involve guns obtained illegally from out of state. Therefore, the odds of any microstamped gun actually being used in a crime in NY are quite slim if not zero percent. 5. Criminals don't apply for pistol permits or register guns. Microstamping targets the law-abiding citizen and not the criminals. 4. California is the only state to pass a microstamping bill, however, it has not been implemented for the past two years because it doesn't work. That is what most people would call a "clue". 3. The same key groups who initially supported the California law have withdrawn that support after actually reviewing the independent studies showing that the technology doesn't work. 2. CoBIS is another ballistics database sytem used as an alleged crime fighting tool in NY...10 years and some $40 million in tax payer dollars later it has led to the conviction of ZERO criminals! . . . . 1. Microstamping is a just another gun ban scheme! 1a. And just what the heck is a "microstamping job shop" anyway? How do lawmakers in the ASSembly justify voting for a bill with made up words and no supporting definition whatsoever? 1b. NY leads the nation in early release of violent felons. Perhaps we should quit pussy-footing around with the criminals when we actually do convict them. Quoted:
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Honestly, I don't see the problem with microstamping. As long as the government is willing to pay for the stamping out of it's own pocket, this would give our law enforcement an extra lead. The only part I'm thinking won't work is that criminals will find a way to destroy or obscure the microstamp at the end of the firing pin. Is that everyones problem with it? It does not have provisions for revolvers which do not release spent brass until you make it. Also, anyone with half a brain and a file could defeat micro stamping. It would only take one missed piece of brass from your pistol that you didn't pick up at the range for someone else to pick up and throw down at a crime scene. I'd love to go into depth about how someone planting a shell from a range would most likely end in them being busted within days, but I'd rather just say it's a bit of a stretch. No intelligent person is going to deliberately plant shells with any markings on them, locard's principle just works against them from any angle. I personally believe it's a great idea in theory, but I think you are all opposing it for the wrong reasons. Stop handgun sales in New York? Let's be real, the firearms industry will find a way to sell us handguns. Sure, I don't want to have to compromise over stupid things, but I wouldn't mind the microstamping. The more I think about it, the better of an idea it seems. But it definitely needs to be workshopped a lot more before going to the floor, because as you said, any skell criminal can file it right off and having to register a firing pin would just be an extra bureaucratic pain in the ass. Hell, isn't there a few hundred thousand we can pull from some dead end social program to research this half decently? |
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Honestly, I don't see the problem with microstamping. As long as the government is willing to pay for the stamping out of it's own pocket, this would give our law enforcement an extra lead. The only part I'm thinking won't work is that criminals will find a way to destroy or obscure the microstamp at the end of the firing pin. Is that everyones problem with it? Most of the proposals .gov makes look good on paper, but in the end turn out to be not so good; Not knowing how well versed you are on NYS Handguns and the draconian laws governing them, I'm going to throw out some significant points: Civilian in New York State or City MAY NOT own, use, posses, or carry a Handgun without proper licensing, PERIOD. In all but a very few Counties, obtaining a license take six or more months, requires multiple background checks, and personal references, and so long as these items pan out the County Judge must also approve the licenses AND he may add restrictions such as "Target Shooting and Hunting Only." All NEW handguns sold in NYS are required to submit to ballistic sampling to the NYSP "COIBIS" Division, which by the way has spent over 40 Million Dollars in it ten year plus life without solving a single crime. Handguns used in crimes (besides being a crime in itself) are illegally obtained through theft, or purchase outside the State. The Microstamping initially will only apply to new, semi-automatic pistols, not revolvers or other designs. It's unclear exactly how much the implementation would really cost, which is a moot point as unlikely manufacturers will produce pistols for sale in NY and enterprising dealers like Bud's Gun Shop will simply sell "used" handguns to Dealers.* Once a handgun has been through a dealers books, it's used. Even if it's brand new in the box, it's considered "used". Those opposed to a law WILL find a way to skirt it.....two or three passes across the firing pin with your girlfriends fingernail emery-board will obliterate any usable traces of than microscopic serial number.
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This guy can't be serious! Support for microsatmping bill? No way!
I personally don't want govt in my life on any level. Now they will want us to register firing pins. The firing pin will become a "firearm" in NYS. This is ridiculous. And a waste of our money. What makes you think that if COBIS didn't yield any results then microstamping will? Why don't they invest in something useful, like road repair? And, where do we stop from here? First it's microstamping to trace down shooters. Next is mandatory DNA collection to trace down rapists. After that - maybe mandatory bathroom breaks every 2 hours to save water. Next thing you know, it's 1984. Fuck them and their population control schemes! |
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Wow. ThisGuy is the new Dave_A huh?
You have NO idea what you are talking about pal. Microstamping will fail just as miserably as COBIS...NY's COBIS has NEVER solved a SINGLE crime...in what? 10 years? And costed how many hundreds of millions?? Handgun manufacturers can't afford to re-tool their factories just to comply with this law. This WILL make all new handguns illegal in NY. Period. AND EVEN IF...IF...A CASING IS TRACED BACK TO AN ACTUAL GUN...IT WILL 100% GUARANTEED JUST BE TRACED TO SOMEONE WHO GOT THE GUN STOLEN FROM THEM. So what would that solve??? CRIMINALS DON'T BUY GUNS LEGALLY!!! |
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This guy can't be serious! Support for microsatmping bill? No way! I personally don't want govt in my life on any level. Now they will want us to register firing pins. The firing pin will become a "firearm" in NYS. This is ridiculous. And a waste of our money. What makes you think that if COBIS didn't yield any results then microstamping will? Why don't they invest in something useful, like road repair? And, where do we stop from here? First it's microstamping to trace down shooters. Next is mandatory DNA collection to trace down rapists. After that - maybe mandatory bathroom breaks every 2 hours to save water. Next thing you know, it's 1984. Fuck them and their population control schemes! I would not care if my shell casings had my name and address printed on them in big ass bold letters. The only time I will fire my weapon is for practice and self defense. I have nothing to hide from the justice system, and I will take credit for the dead or wounded assailant if that's the case. Besides, the MEPS station in Albany already got my DNA on my entrance into the Navy. Prints and all. Just to clear up, no, I do not trust the clowns representing New York at the moment with any sound decisions, and I take back what I said about the Bill. It's all kinds of stupid once you get to the details. But the concept of marking shells with a trackable code or anything on them can't hurt us law-abiding people. If the government will pay for the process, and can do so in a timely fashion, then great. Of course, there's your first major hitch, expecting things done by public officials to be done on time and well. But there's some potential in the concept, and even if it doesn't solve every gun crime, at least its something to connect the dots with. Say a man has his gun stolen in a burglary, which does happen all too frequently. The shithead then ends up killing a couple other buddies over the usual nonsense. The cases are matched to the gun taken in the burglary. Now the cops know that if they find out who has stolen the first victim's property, they most likely have the guy who fired the gun, or gave it to the perp. This is just hypothetical of course, and could end in a total dead end 9 times out of 10. Maybe it wouldn't though. I've tried to match shell casings under a comparison microscope, and believe me when I say it is a pain in the ass even when you know what you're looking for. Gun control would be better served focusing on making things like this practical rather than on capacity or bayonet lugs. I mean who's ever been bayoneted to death in New York past the War of 1812? I'm getting off track now, but let me just wrap it up with these thoughts; Trackable shells are ok in my book, so long as it doesn't inconvenience me, cost me anything ridiculous, or make erasing as simple as popping the pin out and dragging it across a rock. We're probably years and years from anyone meeting those requirements. |
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Well sir you're entitled to you opinion, beliefs and the free exercise of them, however you'll be hard pressed to find someone on this board or forum to agree with your stance.
As far as the efficiency of .gov let me give you one example: All transactions made by handgun dealers require a small duplicated form to be filled out and submitted to the NYSP each time a handgun is transferred, that means when it comes into the shop and when it goes out. we recently received a notice from the NYSP with a three forms returned for being incomplete; they had been submitted FIVE years earlier. I'm not positive how the criminals behave here in NY/NYC, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out that the one who stole it wasn't the one that got caught with it, even so the State and FBI maintain a data base and ALL firearms confiscated are run through those systems. IF you "do not trust the clowns representing New York at the moment with any sound decisions" then WHY would you be in such adamant favor of a law that would only account for new, semi-automatic pistols to be manufactured in a future date utilizing unreliable technology? What make you or anyone else so damn sure that an additional system applied to a percentage of handguns(micro-stamping) will be anymore effective than a system that has sampled ALL new handguns (COBIS)? Through the complex examination equipment COBIS has, a "match" of a sample can be made against any in the data base. (Think fingerprints)
Remember once the camel gets his nose into the tent the rest of the body WILL follow.
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Well sir you're entitled to you opinion, beliefs and the free exercise of them, however you'll be hard pressed to find someone on this board or forum to agree with your stance. As far as the efficiency of .gov let me give you one example: All transactions made by handgun dealers require a small duplicated form to be filled out and submitted to the NYSP each time a handgun is transferred, that means when it comes into the shop and when it goes out. we recently received a notice from the NYSP with a three forms returned for being incomplete; they had been submitted FIVE years earlier. I'm not positive how the criminals behave here in NY/NYC, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out that the one who stole it wasn't the one that got caught with it, even so the State and FBI maintain a data base and ALL firearms confiscated are run through those systems. IF you "do not trust the clowns representing New York at the moment with any sound decisions" then WHY would you be in such adamant favor of a law that would only account for new, semi-automatic pistols to be manufactured in a future date utilizing unreliable technology? What make you or anyone else so damn sure that an additional system applied to a percentage of handguns(micro-stamping) will be anymore effective than a system that has sampled ALL new handguns (COBIS)? Through the complex examination equipment COBIS has, a "match" of a sample can be made against any in the data base. (Think fingerprints)
Remember once the camel gets his nose into the tent the rest of the body WILL follow.I think we've reached an understanding here. My side is that I like traceable casings, and I'm pretty much the only guy on that side of the line. But I agree with all of you that marking a firing pin is just about as effective as marking the heel of a shoe. If not worn away by use, anyone WITH something to hide can scratch it off in seconds. I'm in favor of something that'll work, and this bill won't do it. But down the line, we might have some sound minded people leading again, and some good scientific method of marking casings without hurting us consumers. I'm just a guy who has nothing to hide. And for those of you who don't want marked cartridges; There is always cap and ball. 
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What I don't understand from your posts is why are you in favor of a system that databases spent casings when we already have one in place? Do you just like spending our money? When you say "the govt will pay for it", don't you mean "you New York taxpayers will pay for it"?
Once again, all shell casings from newly sold handguns are already traceable through COBIS. What is the need to put in place a very expensive new system that does the SAME THING? |
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What I don't understand from your posts is why are you in favor of a system that databases spent casings when we already have one in place? Do you just like spending our money? When you say "the govt will pay for it", don't you mean "you New York taxpayers will pay for it"? Once again, all shell casings from newly sold handguns are already traceable through COBIS. What is the need to put in place a very expensive new system that does the SAME THING? I'm in support of something that achieves the same goal, not doing the same thing. We all agree the firing pin isn't an accurate way to leave a positive id mark, and I'm even saying we probably don't have the technology to make marking casings efficient and effective. But when we do have the tech that won't cause a legal and monetary fiasco for gun owners, I'll be willing to accept it. |
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What I don't understand from your posts is why are you in favor of a system that databases spent casings when we already have one in place? Do you just like spending our money? When you say "the govt will pay for it", don't you mean "you New York taxpayers will pay for it"? Once again, all shell casings from newly sold handguns are already traceable through COBIS. What is the need to put in place a very expensive new system that does the SAME THING? I'm in support of something that achieves the same goal, not doing the same thing. We all agree the firing pin isn't an accurate way to leave a positive id mark, and I'm even saying we probably don't have the technology to make marking casings efficient and effective. But when we do have the tech that won't cause a legal and monetary fiasco for gun owners, I'll be willing to accept it. What's to stop someone from planting some of your shell casing they've picked up from the range. Furthermore there are more than 150 million handguns in circulation in this country that will never have microstamps. It's simply not workable. |
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My side is that I like traceable casings
Sounds good, but such a thing does not exist. They're no more real than a laser gun with a grip that only allows the laser to fire when it's in my hand.
I live in the real world (or what's left of one in this FUBAR'd state) where guys who steal handguns from gun shows in Syracuse get probabtion from the judge instead of hard time. The problem isn't so much finding the turds who commit violent crimes; it's keeping them locked up. You can continue to live in La-La Land, but the rest of us know a gun ban when we see one. |
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I agree 110% with you we need to all speak with our representatives to press them pass legislation to prosecute any gun related crimes, violent crimes to the fullest extent with the laws already on the books. With the proposed closing of state prisons the next thing we will be hearing is that there is prison overcrowding in NYS like in California and then can we expect the release of thousands of violent felony offenders out to prey on society again. I have said it before we need to end the Revolving Door Justice system plaguing our society, one thing that our state and federal law enforcement needs to concentrate on is stomping out Gang activity both in the prison system and on the streets that would be a good start. But they seem to think enhanced seat belt enforcement is more important. GOTURBACK Quoted:
I live in the real world (or what's left of one in this FUBAR'd state) where guys who steal handguns from gun shows in Syracuse get probabtion from the judge instead of hard time. The problem isn't so much finding the turds who commit violent crimes; it's keeping them locked up. |