Posted: 1/14/2011 11:33:13 AM EDT
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Chemung Co. Sheriff Christopher Moss is trying to get the county legislature to pass a law prohibiting the possession of firearms on county property.
The proposed Local Law 1 of 2011 was brought up at the January meeting of the county legislature. It received a motion by Leg. Rodney Strange and no second. It may come up again at the next meeting of the legislature scheduled for February 14. Area gun owners should contact their county legislators to express their opposition. Here is a draft copy of Local Law 1 of 2011. Contact information for the county legislature can be found here. |
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I am not a lawyer. While I don't believe they have the authority to do this, other counties have gotten legal opinions that this sort of law is ok and passed their own versions. As our lawyer once said, we don't have a justice system, we have a legal system. That legal system has allowed all sorts of bad laws to be made worse through creative judicial interpretation, the most prominent example being pistol license restrictions. That is why it is much better to fight this in the legislative and political arena than through the court system.
As an aside, this crap is being promoted by one of the big unions in the state, I forget which. I believe they are acting as proxy for people in the state legislature. |
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Quoted: I am not a lawyer. While I don't believe they have the authority to do this, other counties have gotten legal opinions that this sort of law is ok and passed their own versions. As our lawyer once said, we don't have a justice system, we have a legal system. That legal system has allowed all sorts of bad laws to be made worse through creative judicial interpretation, the most prominent example being pistol license restrictions. That is why it is much better to fight this in the legislative and political arena than through the court system. As an aside, this crap is being promoted by one of the big unions in the state, I forget which. I believe they are acting as proxy for people in the state legislature. I was thinking more in terms of a legal memorandum to the county attorney with Federal/State opinions including the recent appellate decision in Nassau County striking down the "deceptively colored handgun" ban. We as lawful firearm owner's cannot allow anti-gun counties to enact more restrictive firearms laws not provided for under NYS law. To allow counties to do so will create a hodgepodge of local laws prohibiting the licensed carry/possession of handguns/long guns while traveling throughout NYS. The 40,000 member NYSPA needs to take a more pro-active role at the local legislative level. If it's a funding or organizational issue than consider creating a NYSRPA spinoff org. that can act on behalf of members as well as soliciting funds for these purposes. |
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We are working on that right this very minute.
The 40,000 member NYSPA needs to take a more pro-active role at the local legislative level. If it's a funding or organizational issue than consider creating a NYSRPA spinoff org. that can act on behalf of members as well as soliciting funds for these purposes. |
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Glad you asked. We (not NYSRPA) are working on that right this very minute, and it will be for more than just 40,000 people. It will be for every member of every pro-gun organization in NYS and all the gun owners who presently aren't a part of the existing ones.
The 40,000 member NYSPA needs to take a more pro-active role at the local legislative level. If it's a funding or organizational issue than consider creating a NYSRPA spinoff org. that can act on behalf of members as well as soliciting funds for these purposes. |
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The 40,000 member NYSPA needs to take a more pro-active role at the local legislative level. If it's a funding or organizational issue than consider creating a NYSRPA spinoff org. that can act on behalf of members as well as soliciting funds for these purposes. NYSRPA does more legislatively and politically than every other gun and sportsman organization in this state put together including the NRA and even NRA knows it. Before you start floating these grandiose ideas, I would like to hear your detailed plan for organizing and fundraising the gunnies in your city or county. |
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Quoted: NYSRPA does more legislatively and politically than every other gun and sportsman organization in this state put together including the NRA and even NRA knows it. I agree and as a long time member of the NYSRPA I also agree that the NRA has dropped the ball in NYS. I do believe that in light of the SCOTUS decisions the NYSRPA should be looking to take a more active role in challenging NYS anti-gun laws over the next few years similar to what SAF is doing. While political and legislative lobbying is helpful in preventing new anti-gun laws you know damn well that the NYS Legislature isn't going to repeal CoBIS, PL400 "proper cause" or the NYS AWB. Quoted: I would like to hear your detailed plan for organizing and fundraising the gunnies in your city or county. Right now I'm organizing a detailed fund raising plan to get the fuck out of this state. I've paid my dues and served my time in hell.  |
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NYSRPA does more legislatively and politically than every other gun and sportsman organization in this state put together including the NRA and even NRA knows it. I agree and as a long time member of the NYSRPA I also agree that the NRA has dropped the ball in NYS. I do believe that in light of the SCOTUS decisions the NYSRPA should be looking to take a more active role in challenging NYS anti-gun laws over the next few years similar to what SAF is doing. While political and legislative lobbying is helpful in preventing new anti-gun laws you know damn well that the NYS Legislature isn't going to repeal CoBIS, PL400 "proper cause" or the NYS AWB. Quoted:
I would like to hear your detailed plan for organizing and fundraising the gunnies in your city or county. Right now I'm organizing a detailed fund raising plan to get the fuck out of this state. I've paid my dues and served my time in hell.
Precisely why we're looking to work with SAF directly and assemble pro-gun people here to rally behind them. |
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I agree and as a long time member of the NYSRPA I also agree that the NRA has dropped the ball in NYS. I do believe that in light of the SCOTUS decisions the NYSRPA should be looking to take a more active role in challenging NYS anti-gun laws That is being done, but as has been stated repeatedly before we will not blindly jump into any lawsuit simply for the sake of doing that. It has only 7 months since incorporation came down. over the next few years similar to what SAF is doing.
And what they are doing right now is trying to fix the problems created by Alan Gura not bothering to do his homework. While political and legislative lobbying is helpful in preventing new anti-gun laws you know damn well that the NYS Legislature isn't going to repeal CoBIS, PL400 "proper cause" or the NYS AWB.
You really shouldn't say that. You have no idea who calls to ask about things. |
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And what they are doing right now is trying to fix the problems created by Alan Gura not bothering to do his homework. I must have missed something. What are the problems created by Alan Gura? I've got to agree with the above. For many years, the NYSRPA has only manage to partially stem the tide as far as firearms regulation went. Alan Gura and co have actually stopped the anti's, even bloomberg, in their tracks, and have begun reversing some bans that never should have been in place. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I agree and as a long time member of the NYSRPA I also agree that the NRA has dropped the ball in NYS. I do believe that in light of the SCOTUS decisions the NYSRPA should be looking to take a more active role in challenging NYS anti-gun laws That is being done, but as has been stated repeatedly before we will not blindly jump into any lawsuit simply for the sake of doing that. It has only 7 months since incorporation came down. over the next few years similar to what SAF is doing. And what they are doing right now is trying to fix the problems created by Alan Gura not bothering to do his homework. While political and legislative lobbying is helpful in preventing new anti-gun laws you know damn well that the NYS Legislature isn't going to repeal CoBIS, PL400 "proper cause" or the NYS AWB. You really shouldn't say that. You have no idea who calls to ask about things. I am aware of and understand everything you stated. Alan Gura was representing the best interests of his clients Dick Heller and Otis McDoanld and not gun owner's at large. As you also know there are no perfect clients or cases and Gura and Levy did an admirable job with all the obstacles legal and otherwise that they faced with respect to the Heller and McDoanld gun cases. You're correct as I don't know "who calls to ask about things" nor do I have any inside political info as you do. It's just my personal opinion/speculation based on the past performance of the Legislature as it relates to repealing anti-gun laws in NYS. Maybe now that Silver has lost his super majority (I think) in the Assembly he will be more willing to cooperate in amending New York's gun laws and bringing them into compliance with the recent SCOTUS and other judicial decisions. I'm pretty sure it will also be dependent on what the Senate Republicans are willing to give Silver as he does not support anything without something in return. |
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It's just my personal opinion/speculation based on the past performance of the Legislature as it relates to repealing anti-gun laws in NYS. Maybe now that Silver has lost his super majority (I think) in the Assembly he will be more willing to cooperate in amending New York's gun laws and bringing them into compliance with the recent SCOTUS and other judicial decisions. I'm pretty sure it will also be dependent on what the Senate Republicans are willing to give Silver as he does not support anything without something in return. I've had Silver's office call me 3 times before. I had Gov. Paterson's office call too. |
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Quoted: I'm sorry....I guess I missed what Gura has done here in New York....He stopped Bloomberg? Do tell. please..... I believe what he's referring to is as a direct result of the Heller/McDonald decisions Bloomberg sees the handwriting on the wall and introduced a bill (rejected by the NYC CC) in the NYC Common Council to lower pistol/long gun application/renewal license fees. The NYPD licensing division also re-instated extended evening hours to make it easier to apply for a pistol license. On another forum NYC pistol applicants were also reporting the NYPD licensing division is issuing premise pistol licenses in approx. four weeks or less. |
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The good news on that, however, is that the other suits in CA, MD, and NJ might be ahead of it in line to go to SCOTUS and resolve the issue, or at very least afford persuasive influence in their respective Circuit decisions. The Chester decision in the 4th Circuit is already being cited in the Nordyke and Woollard cases which has brought forth a considerable advantage.
I am not going to go into details in a public forum. Suffice to say that Gura/SAF did not put the same level of thought into their Westchester lawsuit as was done with the other ones. Also, while horrendously delayed, the Palmer decision won't be withheld forever, and we may see that come into play as well. At very least it will be available by the time the Kachalsky suit is still at the Circuit level. |