Posted: 2/26/2009 5:26:27 PM EDT
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I've currently got a 1911 pistol. It's my only pistol, and therefore is also my carry pistol.
I would like to get a pistol with a larger mag capacity for carry. The preban limitation means that I'm somewhat limited in my choices. I know Glocks were around before the ban, so pre-ban mags are available. But what other pistols were around before that time that I should be looking at? Honestly, I'm leaning toward the Glock, in 9mm, but I just can't bring myself to buy one until I've looked at what else I should compare it to. Just a hang up of mine. I know the law says that pre-ban mags are OK in post ban guns. But, I've also heard that some agencies/DAs are saying they would try to prosecute someone for using pre-ban mags in a post ban gun. How much of a factor is this? For the headaches it could save, I'd probably try to track down a pre-ban gun and pre-ban mags. I'd just like to know if there have been any cases in NY where someone was hassled for pre-ban mags in a post ban gun. Thanks. |
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Quoted: I've currently got a 1911 pistol. It's my only pistol, and therefore is also my carry pistol. I would like to get a pistol with a larger mag capacity for carry. The preban limitation means that I'm somewhat limited in my choices. I know Glocks were around before the ban, so pre-ban mags are available. But what other pistols were around before that time that I should be looking at? Honestly, I'm leaning toward the Glock, in 9mm, but I just can't bring myself to buy one until I've looked at what else I should compare it to. Just a hang up of mine. I know the law says that pre-ban mags are OK in post ban guns. But, I've also heard that some agencies/DAs are saying they would try to prosecute someone for using pre-ban mags in a post ban gun. How much of a factor is this? For the headaches it could save, I'd probably try to track down a pre-ban gun and pre-ban mags. I'd just like to know if there have been any cases in NY where someone was hassled for pre-ban mags in a post ban gun. Thanks. Source? THere's nothing in the penal code saying what a preban magazine may go in.... hell, you can stick one in your toaster if you want  What you've heard is just gun shop nonsense. |
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Even if I only have to worry about finding pre-ban mags, are there any good options besides Glock? Not really if your looking for a polymer with large capacity . Glock mags are easy to find. Similar pistols like the Springfield Armory XD and the Smith & Wesson M&P were invented after 1994, so no large capacity pre-ban magazines are available. Browning Hi-power is a bit retro when compared to a glock 
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But, I've also heard that some agencies/DAs are saying they would try to prosecute someone for using pre-ban mags in a post ban gun. How much of a factor is this? For the headaches it could save, I'd probably try to track down a pre-ban gun and pre-ban mags. I'd just like to know if there have been any cases in NY where someone was hassled for pre-ban mags in a post ban gun. Thanks. If this is a concern buy a Gen 1 Glock which would be cheaper than a new one being there is no advantage to having a "Pre-Ban" Glock over a "Post-Ban" Glock. Mags are plentyfull for the common models at reasonable prices. There is some type of program here for people in need of pre-baned mags. It goes somewhat like this. You buy two new post ban mags at say $40.00 or so and drop ship to another members legal state, and in turn they send you thier one "pre-baned" mag. Seems like a win-win. |
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I would like to get a pistol with a larger mag capacity for carry. Are you planning on getting into some kind of firefight? 
No planning to get into one. Just trying to be sure that if it comes to that I can get out of it with my skin fully in tact. Seriously, in a stressful situation putting shots on target will be tough. And I don't want to be counting hits on the BG. I want to be able to shoot till the threat is stopped without having to reload mid-way through. Seems like an odd comment, considering that most here consider 20 or 30 round AR mags as standar capacity and 10 round mags as reduced capacity. So why would I not want to be able to carry more with my CCW pistol? |
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... No planning to get into one. Just trying to be sure that if it comes to that I can get out of it with my skin fully in tact. Seriously, in a stressful situation putting shots on target will be tough. And I don't want to be counting hits on the BG. I want to be able to shoot till the threat is stopped without having to reload mid-way through. Seems like an odd comment, considering that most here consider 20 or 30 round AR mags as standard capacity and 10 round mags as reduced capacity. So why would I not want to be able to carry more with my CCW pistol?[/quote] This is what I tell my students: Situational awareness + real life based training gets you home MOST of the time, without ever having to present your handgun. If you train, and train and train, when it's shooting time, your gun fight should be over in less than five rounds. -ml |
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Seems like an odd comment, considering that most here consider 20 or 30 round AR mags as standar capacity and 10 round mags as reduced capacity. So why would I not want to be able to carry more with my CCW pistol? As a citizen you have to account for every bullet you fire. Plus you can not legally be chasing a bad guy/guys around firing your gun. You can only legally stop the immediate threat to you or others. I think you should invest in real training. As much as you can afford. I feel very safe carrying my 7 shot .380 and an extra mag. I'll leave the combat for the authorities. Just my 2cents 
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because the AR is a battle rifle. if you need the rifle, you're in a firefight. the pistol is only to get you to the rifle, which you should've never put down. honestly, i'd keep the 1911 and just carry a reload. use the Chip McCormack 10 rounder as your reload. This is probably the best short term solution. I am suprised I didn't get more of the arfcom "buy one of each" response?  My wife thanks you all for that!
I did get some training last year, and I plan on getting more this year. Slightly off topic, but what is everyone's opinion - continue with the same trainer or mix it up with different trainers? Continuity is always good during training/learning, but fresh ideas are good too. And yes, I realize I'm not going to be running around chasing bad guys. But my new office is in a location where I have to walk about 2 blocks down a dead end street with no exits to either side. I made the mistake of walking out right at 5 one night. The company that shares the other half of the building we're in is a call center. The "men" waiting outside for there women were not of upstanding character. I could hear them as I'm walking by asking the women "where does he work?", "what does he do?", "is that a laptop in his backpack?", etc. Being outnumbered 10 to 1 and having no other path around to my truck, is not a good feeling. My response is to work from home as much as possible. If I have to go in, I try to go in early and leave early. And I check the street from upstairs to decide if I really want to leave or not at that time. Just a shitty situation. |
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If you are happy with your teacher and he has more advanced classes I say stick with him for now. If you get the chance to try new it won't hurt.
Now for your shitty situation I would probably re-think what I was carrying too. I would want something I could draw real fast and have a real one shot knock down power. I would not worry about mag/cap because even 8 shots is a lot. On a 10 to 1 fight if even 3 are armed with guns you are fucked. If even all had bats or knives I would bet when you drop the first two the rest are going to beat feet. On the other hand I would think about getting some hand to hand fighting classes. If you build up your confidence and get that Alfa male look you will be surprised just how cowardly the average punk is. Now lets just hope none of these theories have to be put to the test. |
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If you are happy with your teacher and he has more advanced classes I say stick with him for now. If you get the chance to try new it won't hurt. Now for your shitty situation I would probably re-think what I was carrying too. I would want something I could draw real fast and have a real one shot knock down power. I would not worry about mag/cap because even 8 shots is a lot. On a 10 to 1 fight if even 3 are armed with guns you are fucked. If even all had bats or knives I would bet when you drop the first two the rest are going to beat feet. On the other hand I would think about getting some hand to hand fighting classes. If you build up your confidence and get that Alfa male look you will be surprised just how cowardly the average punk is. Now lets just hope none of these theories have to be put to the test. Exactly. Avoidance is first. Shifting my hours to make the walk when no one is around is my first course of action. Working from home is even better. But, as summer moves in, I can see these guys hanging out here more since they've got nothing better to do. And there are going to be times when I can't adjust my schedule to avoid the mess. If these theories do get put to the test, I can only hope they don't have guns. If they do, it's most likely a done deal. And I agree with you - even most thugs/punks are smart enough to run when facing a gun and holding a bat or knife. Just a shitty situation. Outside of work, I can choose to avoid any place where I might have this kind of problem. But work is a little harder to control. My only hope is that the more my boss notices this shit outside, the more likely he is to look for new office space. Unfortunately, he is not all that aware of his surroundings and I have to point out the situation outside to him when the other place lets out for the day. |