Posted: 2/25/2009 6:28:26 PM EDT
| My wife and I will be moving to NY in a few months and it has come to my attention that we will likely need letters of character reference for pistol licenses there. Two questions: 1) what should those letters consist of and 2) we've only been where we are for about a year or so, so most people who know us way better are in a different state and it would be easier to ask them for a reference than locals here, so can we have people from where we lived before write them instead? |
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Not only do they have to be residents , but they need to have known you for x amount of YEARS. Not sure of the number. In Monroe County, they definitely ask questions that would trip up someone who hasnt known you for a while.
I thought that there may be a way to use out of area references but you need more of them. Not sure of this though. |
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The requirements for references vary by county. If you are moving here from out-of-state you may or may not be able to use those references. Just keep in mind that even if the pistol licensing agency "officially" says it requires county residents that doesn't necessarily mean exceptions to the rule can't be made based on individual circumstances. There is no point in speculating any further without knowing what county you will be applying in. |
| I'm currenty in the process of completing my application for a license in Steuben County. The application requires references from 4 current Steuben county residents. I waited until I'd been here for a nearly a year, as I really didn't want to ask strangers for a reference. |
| NY state permits are state permits. Contrary to what many believe your references do not need to residents of your county or local town. It is recomended but not a nessesity. It is usually done out of a courtesy to LEO who will be doing the background check. depending on where you live you permit will need to either go threw your local PD or you county sheriffs office. Your county will be able to direct you to which department will be processing your permit. Once you know which Department will be doing your can call them directly and speak to the LEO who will be doing the paperwork. In my county (erie) and my town i never had furnish my references till after i spoke with the local LEO who was doing the check. I spoke with him and told him about how i was new to town and that i didnt have any local references, none only one was a county resident. He understood the situation and it wasnt a problem. Now this might not be the same for new to the State residents, im sure if you have solid work history no criminal history and such you should be fine. My investigating LEO called all my references and mailed them a questionaire to fill out and that was all the contact he had with them. Not sure if my story helps. Just make sure to stay proactive and try to keep in communication with every agency who is processing your app. |
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Be advised... if you are bringing handguns in NY that have not been registered here already it is HIGHLY advisable to have them shipped from an FFL where you live now to a NY FFL. Otherwise you will have to surrender them to the local LEO so they can have the NY State Police run an ATF background check on them. Once that is done you can have your local NY FFL pick them up and transfer them to you. You will not be able to take them to an FFL and surrender them for transfer.
Of course you will need your NYS pistol permit first in order to get them transferred to you. I went through this when I moved back here from Idaho and thought I could get my local guy to do just that for me. I had kept my NY permit so it didn't take too long to have it done fortunately. As far as a NY State pistol permit, depending on the judge you can expect it to take up to the full 6 months for them to OK your permit, or as in my case 20 years ago it took 9 months because the judges secretary lost a stack of permit applications in the bottom of her desk that she somehow buried under the phone book and other things. |
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I'll be parking our pistols in PA with relatives until all is well to bring them with us. No way in hell am I paying someone I don't know to babysit my property purely on technicalities. Register? I'm not a criminal. You register criminals and dogs. You DO realize that each handgun is registered individually on the permit, right? |
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Quoted: I'll be parking our pistols in PA with relatives until all is well to bring them with us. No way in hell am I paying someone I don't know to babysit my property purely on technicalities. Register? I'm not a criminal. You register criminals and dogs. Keep in mind that even though these handguns are your property they still must be transferred to you on a 4473 by a NY FFL who also holds a NY license to deal in handguns. You cannot simply have them registered on your pistol license and "import" them into NYS from PA yourself. |
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Adddicted2fish,
We put up with all this shit because we truly love it here. (dripping sarcasm) But keep in mind that bringing those guns in yourself is an easy bust for the authorities, and looks great to our local liberal media. Although this website is primarily EBRs, there are plenty of horror stories about traveling with handguns on this hometown board. |
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I'll be parking our pistols in PA with relatives until all is well to bring them with us. No way in hell am I paying someone I don't know to babysit my property purely on technicalities. Register? I'm not a criminal. You register criminals and dogs. Keep in mind that even though these handguns are your property they still must be transferred to you on a 4473 by a NY FFL who also holds a NY license to deal in handguns. You cannot simply have them registered on your pistol license and "import" them into NYS from PA yourself. What?!??!?!?! I have to 4473 what I already own?!? What manner of fuckeduppedness is this??? And what absurd ransom would I have to pay for that?!?? Are you people sick? And you have liberalism outside of NYC? I thought you guys were on the right side of things. |
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Quoted: What?!??!?!?! I have to 4473 what I already own?!? What manner of fuckeduppedness is this??? And what absurd ransom would I have to pay for that?!?? Are you people sick? And you have liberalism outside of NYC? I thought you guys were on the right side of things. The NYS motto is "BOHICA" - "Bend Over Here it Comes Again". Welcome to NY, now move somewhere else.  You need to follow the procedure of the county pistol licensing agency that will be issuing your license even if it conflicts with what the NYSP say is the correct procedure. Some counties may have a different procedure for pistol licensee's relocating from out-of-state. http://www.troopers.state.ny.us/FAQs/Firearms/relocate.cfm FAQs - Relocating to another state or countyQ - How does the law apply to licensed individuals from other states who move to |
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4473 is paperwork for a Federal (FBI) check to verify that you are not a felon, etc. We are talking about state regs, which have to do with onging right to possess for various use. I think that you should move to VT. NY will just kill you. It's not a matter of choice. My wife's job is going to be there. Otherwise no way in hell would I put up with this nonsense. It utterly astonishes me that you folks do. I'll certainly be joining whatever activist groups you have there to push for changing this stuff. Is there anything afoot to get some of this stuff done away with? |
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Quoted: It's not a matter of choice. My wife's job is going to be there. Otherwise no way in hell would I put up with this nonsense. It utterly astonishes me that you folks do. Everything is relative. At the moment there are no statewide restrictions on semi-auto preban/postban rifles/pistol/shotguns or preban +10 mags. Until our three term RINO ex Governor pushed through the NY AWB the only restrictions on long guns was Federal law. Concealed carry licenses are almost shall issue with no restrictions in some counties of NY. The NYS pistol licensing and registration system dates back to the early nineteen hundreds so it's just something gun owner's in NY grew up with. |
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Addicted2Fish we all feel your frustration. I just moved back to the Syracuse area after living in Arizona and Idaho for the past 10 years. I've got class III goodies locked up in a buddies safe back in Arizona right now that I miss dearly. Like I said... I had to jump through the hoops to register my handguns with the state and have them transferred to me via 4473 as well. It sucks but it's the way it is here. If you get caught in possession of a handgun that is not on your pistol permit they can take it along with your permit and charge you. You can't even borrow your buddies handgun to take to the range unless he/she is there as well. Since your in Kali you are used to waiting to pick up your firearms purchase, what is it now 10 days? At least here you can take your long guns right away as long as the NICS check clears. Handguns are a pain in the butt though. Here's the steps to purchase a handgun, whether it's from an FFL or private party.
1. Get a receipt from the seller, FFL or private. It must have the sellers information FFL number or NYS pistol permit number included. Make, model and serial number of the pistol. 2. Go to your Pistol permit office with the receipt, pay the fee (my office charges $3) and go home and wait for a call that your purchase coupon is ready, (takes a couple days depending on the judge who's doing the signing). 3. Go back to the Pistol permit office and pick up your coupon. 4. Take coupon to seller, give seller the coupon, at this time you can now take possession of the pistol, if it's from an FFL you have to fill out your 4473 and still do a NICS check. Welcome to New York. |
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Weapons personally brought into New York by the owner would result in forfeiture ofthe weapon and possible criminal charges brought against the owner. "Could" result.; when we find people in that situation, we take the weapon in under amnesty and hold them til the permit is obtained. I don't recall the department ever charging criminally if the gun wasn't used in a crime. |
| I guess the improvement for us will be that the place in CA we were in was no issue, so we'll at very least be able to get carry permits. The choice was/is living just across the state line in PA, but she still will be working in NY so she wouldn't be able to carry to and from work b/c of the no out of state permit problem. Is anyone working to rectify that? |