[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Pre-Ban Mags Issue Today (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/25/2008 12:44:04 PM EDT
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Sorry if this isn't interesting, I just need to vent. This morning I was at mitchell field with my bolt .22 and my Ak (with 2 pre-ban 30rd AK mags) minding my own business. I was (of course) conducting myself in a safe manner using carefully aimed fire etc. Out of nowhere, some fudd cop shooting his pistol in the bay next to me approaches me while I was doing a reload on my AK. He starts off right away with 'I'm a cop and that Sh** you have there is illegal and you should be arrested'. I was like, WTF, this is a legal 30rd pre-ban mag. Guy knew nothing about pre-ban exceptions and insisted that what I had was illegal. After feebly defending myself for a minute, the guy in the next bay with his ar15 (also with a pre-ban 30rd mag) comes over and jumps in on my side. The situation ended with me casing my AK and just switching to my .22 and the guy blowing a whole lot of smoke around. I've gotta say, this has really left a sour taste in my mouth. Whether or not the guy was a real cop or not I'm pretty discouraged. How the hell do I prove these mags are pre-ban? A good friend of mine is a NYPD PO and he basically tells me most of the guys he works with have no idea about the relevant law. I know some of you have suggested carrying a copy of the relevant section of the AWB with you, but what do I do about proving these are pre-ban? I feel like the situation could easily have escalated with me being arrested by an eager beaver who wanted to get a collar. It also doesn't help that I look young and therefore I obviously can't know anything about the law. P.S. If that guy who came to my aid was one of you, thanks. |
| Carrying a copy of the penal code would help, and as far as I'm concerned the burden of proof is on them, not you. I remember in the case of the kids running down the block with the AK (somplace near syracuse, don't remember) they couldn't charge him with a violation on the mags because they coudn't tell when they were made. |
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Quoted: Quoted: +FUCK OBAMAYou should have told him to f*@k off. Haha. +1 on Fuck obama. I'm all for telling people to go fuck themselves, but I was wary of doing so when it could possibly escalate the situation. Burden of proof on them and all that, they could always arrest first and let the ultra liberal nassau DA sort the rest out. Just what I'd need. |
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Wow, that sucks. I know the burden of proof is on the state, but I'd hate for it to even get that far  .Would carrying a printout of the section that states preban mags are OK really be any good? I mean, if it's just a printout that someone printed on their own computer, who's to say (as far as LEO are concerned) that you didn't just type up whatever wanted, and printed it?  Not that the cop probably cared, but at least someone was there to back you up. |
| Ask for ID, if he refuses, call 911 and say there is a guy impersonating a PO. I know that I have to ID myself when asked. Tell him to arrest you, if he doesn't then he is derelict in his responsibility, If he does arrest you, or detain you for less than a resonable, call your lwyer on the cell, tellhim the department and name of the guy, if you know them and tell him you want to file a wrongfull arerest and sue him under tittle 1983, .....oh ask if he has a house and other tangible property that you would like to own. |
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After I receive my next order, I'll have 96 preban mags. I've told myself that from now on, I'm only leaving the house with dated mags. Should I have to do that? No. I'm going to do it anyway. Should you guys do that? I dunno. Sometimes being right just isn't enough....especially when the guys with the handcuffs are involved. |
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Quoted: They don't have dated AK mags though. Your building up quite the stash of AR mags!After I receive my next order, I'll have 96 preban mags. I've told myself that from now on, I'm only leaving the house with dated mags. Should I have to do that? No. I'm going to do it anyway. Should you guys do that? I dunno. Sometimes being right just isn't enough....especially when the guys with the handcuffs are involved. |
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+1 to what the wind said...People like the guy that was harrassing the OP need to get verbally beaten back into their place and then ridiculed. I can understand where the OP is coming from that he didn't want it to escalate, but at the same time you can't let some idiot that has no idea about what he's talking about yell at you and make you look/feel like a criminal when you're the one that knows what your talking about and doing and he's just some dickhead that thinks he's above you. From the sound of the way the guy approached you he probably wasn't even a cop. At a minimum I woulda found out who it was and let the range and if he had a department school him on the laws and let him know that you felt harrassed by someone about something they apparently have a lot to learn about. There are so many pricks in this hobby/industry it's not even funny. There's a lot of good people too, but it seems like either or are at full oppositte ends of the spectrum. |
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Quoted: Absolutely right! and how come it is the ones that have no idea that are also the most preachy and quick to hammer other gun owners. There are so many pricks in this hobby/industry it's not even funny. I saw on PAFOA they have a double sided sheet with all the laws on it re: firearms & ccw - perhaps we need something similar on our hometown forum that members can carry around - this is what i'm talking about.. http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed-open-carry-121/7481-your-pennsylvania-gun-rights-handy-flyer-carry-you.html It is well laid out and full of references to law so appears authoritative to those that hate EBR! (then we would just need to mail it out to EVERY leo in NY state) |
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Def. should have told him to go fuck himself. By the way, anyone else thats been there recently hear that they are going to start demanding to see a leisure pass for residents? What the hell is that.... I think I'm going to look into the pine barrens range. It's a bit far but sounds worth it. Who should I get in contact with? |
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Quoted: That's a real good idea, just have a few with you and when someone thinks they know something you have that to fold up into a paper airplane and fly it into their forehead! (joking about the airplane/forehead part of course)Quoted: Absolutely right! and how come it is the ones that have no idea that are also the most preachy and quick to hammer other gun owners. There are so many pricks in this hobby/industry it's not even funny. I saw on PAFOA they have a double sided sheet with all the laws on it re: firearms & ccw - perhaps we need something similar on our hometown forum that members can carry around - this is what i'm talking about.. http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed-open-carry-121/7481-your-pennsylvania-gun-rights-handy-flyer-carry-you.html It is well laid out and full of references to law so appears authoritative to those that hate EBR! (then we would just need to mail it out to EVERY leo in NY state) |
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Quoted: After I receive my next order, I'll have 96 preban mags. I've told myself that from now on, I'm only leaving the house with dated mags. Should I have to do that? No. I'm going to do it anyway. Should you guys do that? I dunno. Sometimes being right just isn't enough....especially when the guys with the handcuffs are involved. Doesn't sound like dated mags would have made a difference in this case; the cop was unaware that preban even mattered. |
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Quoted: Yeah, that too. I have a few BATF pages photo copied and stuffed into one of my gun cases...just in case. (Muzzle brake info.)The simplest solution is to keep a copy of the NYS assault weapons law with you whenever you bring an AR or AK type rifle and pre-ban mags outside the home. |
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Quoted: Ask for ID them tell him to fuck off ... Most cops aren't gun guys and are totally unfamiliar with the laws they enforce regarding them. I chaulk it up to poor training most of the time ... Either way ... Fuck off is a good response. This is true. I was flying down to GA for a Magpul Dynamics class last weekend, so I had to go through the usual BS at the Syracuse airport. The cop they called over wanted to know why my AR wasn't on my pistol permit. I told him that I didn't have to have a rifle on my permit, and he looked at me suspiciously, walked away talking into his radio, then came back and said I was good to go. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Ask for ID them tell him to fuck off ... Most cops aren't gun guys and are totally unfamiliar with the laws they enforce regarding them. I chaulk it up to poor training most of the time ... Either way ... Fuck off is a good response. This is true. I was flying down to GA for a Magpul Dynamics class last weekend, so I had to go through the usual BS at the Syracuse airport. The cop they called over wanted to know why my AR wasn't on my pistol permit. I told him that I didn't have to have a rifle on my permit, and he looked at me suspiciously, walked away talking into his radio, then came back and said I was good to go. LMAO thats fucking ridiculous... why isn't this large assault rifle on your pistol permit sir?! fuck i have no desire to fly out of JFK with any of my rifles. i'd rather go out of McArthur. |
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I would have immediately asked for ID, which he should be showing as soon as he says he's a cop, and if I am commiting a crime, why is he walking up to me and telling me "oh that's illegal", arrest me on the spot with a weapon drawn since I clearly am armed. Otherwise, I would have called 911 on my cell and reported a man with a gun claiming to be a cop and not showing his ID. Also I stay the hell away from mitchell field. |
| Most LEO's DO NOT regularly enforce the section 265 laws, actually few Investigators run into these things. That is why the NYSP formed the GIU and even within GIU there are only a few who can make a decision on the law from their head. Telling him to fuck off would not have gone well BTW, there are about 5000 laws in NYS. |
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Quoted: http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgiwhere can I copy this information from?? Main Menu > Laws Menu > PEN > Article 265 § 265.00 Definitions. (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;As used in this article and in article four hundred, the following terms shall mean and include: 22. "Assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a bayonet mount; (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; (v) a grenade launcher; or (b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; (iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or (c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned; (iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm; or (d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known as: (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70); (iv) Colt AR-15; (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12; (vii) Steyr AUG; (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; (e) provided, however, that such term does not include: (i) any rifle, shotgun or pistol that (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or (C) is an antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16); (ii) a semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; (iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine; (iv) a rifle, shotgun or pistol, or a replica or a duplicate thereof, specified in Appendix A to section 922 of 18 U.S.C. as such weapon was manufactured on October first, nineteen hundred ninety-three. The mere fact that a weapon is not listed in Appendix A shall not be construed to mean that such weapon is an assault weapon; or (v) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or any of the weapons defined in paragraph (d) of this subdivision lawfully possessed prior to September fourteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four. 23. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, manufactured after September thirteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four, that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition; provided, however, that such term does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition. |
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This is true. I was flying down to GA for a Magpul Dynamics class last weekend, so I had to go through the usual BS at the Syracuse airport. The cop they called over wanted to know why my AR wasn't on my pistol permit. I told him that I didn't have to have a rifle on my permit, and he looked at me suspiciously, walked away talking into his radio, then came back and said I was good to go. If he can't tell the difference between a pistol/revolver and a rifle he should be re-asigned to parking lot meter maid duty. I would have filed a complaint with his commanding officer. |
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My .02 cents
I would have placed all item on the bench rest and asked for ID - If he shows me a badge I again ask for ID not a badge ( igot one of those too big deal you can buy them for 20 bucks in Galls) - If he shows me a department issued ID I have the right to remain silent  , he can say all he wants...
- If the shit was illegal (which it is not) he has a duty to act. That would be like seeing a drug deal, rape, murder etc... and saying "hey man that's illegal" and not doing anything. Fuck him, he's probably not LEO he's probably FOS. He can have a plate of Eat Shit and wash it down with a nice big glass of Shut The Fuck Up. |
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Quoted: Probably true .... but isn't it all about the instant gratification Telling him to fuck off would not have gone well BTW.  And I'm assuming this jackass was FOS. IF he produces proper ID I don't believe I would tell him to fuck off... I might be thinking it though |
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Quoted: This is true. I was flying down to GA for a Magpul Dynamics class last weekend, so I had to go through the usual BS at the Syracuse airport. The cop they called over wanted to know why my AR wasn't on my pistol permit. I told him that I didn't have to have a rifle on my permit, and he looked at me suspiciously, walked away talking into his radio, then came back and said I was good to go. If he can't tell the difference between a pistol/revolver and a rifle he should be re-asigned to parking lot meter maid duty. I would have filed a complaint with his commanding officer.My AR is preban and has a Magpul CTR, 14.5" barrel with perm. attached FH, etc. He really seemed to be thinking "This thing has GOT to be illegal." He also geniunely seemed to think that all firearms had to be on a permit. If I didn't fly out of SYR so often I may have filed a complaint. I'm actually thinking of simply shipping my guns to myself at my destination any time I have to fly with anything more than a shotgun or a pistol. The funny thing is, the whole time this was going on, the TSA guy and I were shooting the shit about ARs, optics, etc. |
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Im a cop....You should of just ignored him and just kept shooting your AK. I shoot my AK & AR all the time at Mitchell Field. Most cops I know would not get involved with this silly stuff off duty. Good chance he was not even a cop. Give me a shout next time your going to Mitchell Field....Would love to shoot with a fellow AR15.COM member. John |
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Quoted: Quoted: Anyone with a punch set can stamp a date on a mag. After I receive my next order, I'll have 96 preban mags. I've told myself that from now on, I'm only leaving the house with dated mags. Given the fact that since October 2004 most manufacturers have gone back to making non dated magazines, a punch set isn't a bad idea. I know the law says THEY have to prove it's post ban, but I know I don't have dated receipts for every high cap I own. |
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Ok, so this brings up an interesting issue: lets say I get a punch set and date these suckers with a date before the ban date. Is this legal to do? If it ever becomes an issue, could someone go down for some sort of illegal misrepresentation of a firearm component (ie. similar to defacing a serial number)? Really, I'm not attempting to misrepresent an illegal component as legal, just reaffirm the legality of the item with a blatant visual indicator, albeit one added myself. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Anyone with a punch set can stamp a date on a mag. After I receive my next order, I'll have 96 preban mags. I've told myself that from now on, I'm only leaving the house with dated mags. Really? Well, that's not my business. I'll just go with the ones that are already stamped by the manufacturer. |
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You should have told him: "If you're a cop, you need to do 3 things" 1. "Show me ID. If you can't do that, i'll have you arrested for impersonating a police officer." 2. "Arrest me so I can take your ass to court and sue you." 3. "Go back to law school and study the laws some more because you fail." |
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Quoted: You should have told him: "If you're a cop, you need to do 3 things" 1. "Show me ID. If you can't do that, i'll have you arrested for impersonating a police officer." 2. "Arrest me so I can take your ass to court and sue you." 3. "Go back to law school and study the laws some more because you fail." 1. No problem 2. you'd really rather not be arrested, it's a pain in the ass...sometimes literally 3. If he went to Law School he'd be a lawyer 4. See my first post |
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Quoted: Quoted: After I receive my next order, I'll have 96 preban mags. I've told myself that from now on, I'm only leaving the house with dated mags. Should I have to do that? No. I'm going to do it anyway. Should you guys do that? I dunno. Sometimes being right just isn't enough....especially when the guys with the handcuffs are involved. Doesn't sound like dated mags would have made a difference in this case; the cop was unaware that preban even mattered. +1 In my expersience many if not most of the NYPD know nothing about Preban or otherwise when it comes to hicaps. Not an excuse but in the city any EBR with even one "Evil" feature is not legal so training about them is pretty much nill (Might be different now but I doubt it.) Most of the guys I knew when I was on Patrol weren't even interested in Firearms so would love to bag a guy with a "Machine Gun/Assault Rifle." Dated mags wont help you if you incounter one of these guys unless when you get brought down to the house they actually look further in the Penal Law when looking for the info on the "Crime." I even carry the AWB Exception part of the PL with me laminated and everything. That will at the least make the guy think twice or call a Boss before making the Collar. In the OP's situation I would have just told him he was wrong and then informed him of the law. If he pushed it I would ask to see ID and if he displayed it just leave it alone. As was said in a post above there are thousands of laws and even if your right getting arrested is a PITA. |
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Quoted: I think is a great idea to carry it with us when we go to the range. Where do I find it?Quoted: Quoted: After I receive my next order, I'll have 96 preban mags. I've told myself that from now on, I'm only leaving the house with dated mags. Should I have to do that? No. I'm going to do it anyway. Should you guys do that? I dunno. Sometimes being right just isn't enough....especially when the guys with the handcuffs are involved. Doesn't sound like dated mags would have made a difference in this case; the cop was unaware that preban even mattered. +1 In my expersience many if not most of the NYPD know nothing about Preban or otherwise when it comes to hicaps. Not an excuse but in the city any EBR with even one "Evil" feature is not legal so training about them is pretty much nill (Might be different now but I doubt it.) Most of the guys I knew when I was on Patrol weren't even interested in Firearms so would love to bag a guy with a "Machine Gun/Assault Rifle." Dated mags wont help you if you incounter one of these guys unless when you get brought down to the house they actually look further in the Penal Law when looking for the info on the "Crime." I even carry theAWB Exception part of the PL with me laminated and everything. That will at the least make the guy think twice or call a Boss before making the Collar. In the OP's situation I would have just told him he was wrong and then informed him of the law. If he pushed it I would ask to see ID and if he displayed it just leave it alone. As was said in a post above there are thousands of laws and even if your right getting arrested is a PITA. |
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Quoted: Quoted: This is true. I was flying down to GA for a Magpul Dynamics class last weekend, so I had to go through the usual BS at the Syracuse airport. The cop they called over wanted to know why my AR wasn't on my pistol permit. I told him that I didn't have to have a rifle on my permit, and he looked at me suspiciously, walked away talking into his radio, then came back and said I was good to go. If he can't tell the difference between a pistol/revolver and a rifle he should be re-asigned to parking lot meter maid duty. I would have filed a complaint with his commanding officer.My AR is preban and has a Magpul CTR, 14.5" barrel with perm. attached FH, etc. He really seemed to be thinking "This thing has GOT to be illegal." He also geniunely seemed to think that all firearms had to be on a permit. If I didn't fly out of SYR so often I may have filed a complaint. I'm actually thinking of simply shipping my guns to myself at my destination any time I have to fly with anything more than a shotgun or a pistol. The funny thing is, the whole time this was going on, the TSA guy and I were shooting the shit about ARs, optics, etc. Not sure what's up with the quotes  The Syracuse Police are the problem, not the TSA guys. When I had my argument with them about my not having to tell them why I was flying with an AR15 they told me they were calling an FBI agent to "come seize my guns" when I laughed at that they did try to call about my pistol permit, but it was after hours so no one answered (I could hear them making that call). They never did follow through with their threats to try to have my pistol permit revoked; however I would not start asking for badge numbers there if I was not willing to have them file some bs complaint with the issuing judge. I wouldn't tell some random Officer Sarah Brady guy to fuck off. We saw the kid arrested by the Monroe County Sheriffs for no reason because the responding officer assumed his post ban ar and ak were illegal. Better to join a club, there you usually know the members and whether there are any anti cops in the club. edit the dopiest part of the nonsense with the Syracuse PD was after saying that I had to answer their questions because "I could be going to Virginia to kill someone" they left me with an AR15 and a pistol unsecured inside their police station, they left me alone and they had no idea if I had magazines on me for the firearms. Of course they never really thought I was up to anything, it was just "Respect my Authority" silliness; however if I was going to do it over I'd have given a less confrontational answer since the hassle of getting a "Pistol Permit holder Aimless told Officer Gungrabber to go fuck himself" or some other phoney baloney complaint sent to the judge would have been time consuming |
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Quoted: This was the standard under federal law as it pertained to undated mags. As everything else in NYS you're on your own in complying with the NY AWB.How can I tell if my mags are pre-ban or not? None of them have any dates marked on them. If I don't know how old they are how will a cop? (4) If a person charged with violating paragraph (1) asserts that paragraph (1) does not apply to such person because of paragraph (2) or (3), the Government shall have the burden of proof to show that such paragraph (1) applies to such person. The lack of a serial number as described in section 923(i) of this title shall be a presumption that the large capacity ammunition feeding device is not subject to the prohibition of possession in paragraph (1). |
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Quoted: Unbelievable. The Syracuse Police are the problem, not the TSA guys. When I had my argument with them about my not having to tell them why I was flying with an AR15 they told me they were calling an FBI agent to "come seize my guns" when I laughed at that they did try to call about my pistol permit, but it was after hours so no one answered (I could hear them making that call). They never did follow through with their threats to try to have my pistol permit revoked; however I would not start asking for badge numbers there if I was not willing to have them file some bs complaint with the issuing judge. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is true. I was flying down to GA for a Magpul Dynamics class last weekend, so I had to go through the usual BS at the Syracuse airport. The cop they called over wanted to know why my AR wasn't on my pistol permit. I told him that I didn't have to have a rifle on my permit, and he looked at me suspiciously, walked away talking into his radio, then came back and said I was good to go. If he can't tell the difference between a pistol/revolver and a rifle he should be re-asigned to parking lot meter maid duty. I would have filed a complaint with his commanding officer.My AR is preban and has a Magpul CTR, 14.5" barrel with perm. attached FH, etc. He really seemed to be thinking "This thing has GOT to be illegal." He also geniunely seemed to think that all firearms had to be on a permit. If I didn't fly out of SYR so often I may have filed a complaint. I'm actually thinking of simply shipping my guns to myself at my destination any time I have to fly with anything more than a shotgun or a pistol. The funny thing is, the whole time this was going on, the TSA guy and I were shooting the shit about ARs, optics, etc. Not sure what's up with the quotes The Syracuse Police are the problem, not the TSA guys. When I had my argument with them about my not having to tell them why I was flying with an AR15 they told me they were calling an FBI agent to "come seize my guns" when I laughed at that they did try to call about my pistol permit, but it was after hours so no one answered (I could hear them making that call). They never did follow through with their threats to try to have my pistol permit revoked; however I would not start asking for badge numbers there if I was not willing to have them file some bs complaint with the issuing judge. I wouldn't tell some random Officer Sarah Brady guy to fuck off. We saw the kid arrested by the Monroe County Sheriffs for no reason because the responding officer assumed his post ban ar and ak were illegal. Better to join a club, there you usually know the members and whether there are any anti cops in the club. edit the dopiest part of the nonsense with the Syracuse PD was after saying that I had to answer their questions because "I could be going to Virginia to kill someone" they left me with an AR15 and a pistol unsecured inside their police station, they left me alone and they had no idea if I had magazines on me for the firearms. Of course they never really thought I was up to anything, it was just "Respect my Authority" silliness; however if I was going to do it over I'd have given a less confrontational answer since the hassle of getting a "Pistol Permit holder Aimless told Officer Gungrabber to go fuck himself" or some other phoney baloney complaint sent to the judge would have been time consuming Oh, I agree - the TSA guys are not the problem. Both times I've flown out of SYR with ARs, I've gotten compliments on my guns and chatted with them while we were waiting for the police. This last time the guy seemed to really be into EBRs. As for the cops, the first time, the cop took out my Glock and XD, knew right where to look for the serial numbers, checked them against my permit, smiled, handed my permit back to me and said "have a nice day." This guy this last time was a moron. He kept looking at the slide on my Glock, so eventually I said, "Sir, the serial number is on the bottom of the frame, in front of the trigger guard." He asked me where I was going and what I was doing, and I told him. At that point he'd walked away and talked on his radio a few times; I figured if I gave him attitude he'd have me missing my flight and it wasn't worth the hassle. |
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This was the standard under federal law as it pertained to undated mags. As everything else in NYS you're on your own in complying with the NY AWB.
How can I tell if my mags are pre-ban or not? None of them have any dates marked on them. If I don't know how old they are how will a cop? (4) If a person charged with violating paragraph (1) asserts that paragraph (1) does not apply to such person because of paragraph (2) or (3), the Government shall have the burden of proof to show that such paragraph (1) applies to such person. The lack of a serial number as described in section 923(i) of this title shall be a presumption that the large capacity ammunition feeding device is not subject to the prohibition of possession in paragraph (1). Where are you quoting this from? |
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Def. should have told him to go fuck himself. By the way, anyone else thats been there recently hear that they are going to start demanding to see a leisure pass for residents? What the hell is that.... I think I'm going to look into the pine barrens range. It's a bit far but sounds worth it. Who should I get in contact with? I saw the sign about the leisure passes Saturday...do we have further info on that? All PD/retired PD encounters I have had there have been positive. Go get the RO if there is a problem, a 911 call from the pistol range is going to bring out every COP within 10 miles. |