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2/29/2008 5:51:02 PM EDT
LOL just learned something new!  If it wasn't explained to me when I saw it I would have thought the AR-15 was full auto!
2/29/2008 6:17:42 PM EDT
[#1]
Isn't it a rip to do that? I learned it on my AK this past summer and all i did was laugh. It was a blast.....lol
2/29/2008 6:30:33 PM EDT
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Isn't it a rip to do that? I learned it on my AK this past summer and all i did was laugh. It was a blast.....lol


Well to tell you the truth I haven't tried it YET....I just saw a video on youtube about it. Not to mention the poor man's machine gun! Going to have to try that too!
2/29/2008 7:32:32 PM EDT
[#3]
Like this?

AK74 bump firing
2/29/2008 7:46:03 PM EDT
[#4]
Yeah once or twice is good but you're burnin off ammo in a hurry and this is a good way to break parts and such.
2/29/2008 8:13:52 PM EDT
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Yeah once or twice is good but you're burnin off ammo in a hurry and this is a good way to break parts and such.


um, how?
2/29/2008 8:17:29 PM EDT
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Yeah once or twice is good but you're burnin off ammo in a hurry and this is a good way to break parts and such.


Yeah, i can see burning ammo in a hurry but.....breaking parts?
2/29/2008 9:27:26 PM EDT
[#7]
Well you're just putting extra stress on stuff, simply put really.
3/1/2008 5:47:02 AM EDT
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Well you're just putting extra stress on stuff, simply put really.


Bumping an AR or an AK type,will not break parts!!!

Been doing it for years with many guns,never a problem.

Now bumping on "anygun" might be different,but gun built on a FA
format,it's just the norm.

3/1/2008 10:41:51 AM EDT
[#9]
Ok, now that the topic is opened...anyone ever try bump firing a Glock? I saw a video on it once.
3/1/2008 4:56:29 PM EDT
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Ok, now that the topic is opened...anyone ever try bump firing a Glock? I saw a video on it once.


ive sen that too, too dangerous for my likes...hands are just TOO close to the muzzle...no room for error...and if there is error, your going to lose part of your hand.
3/1/2008 5:49:41 PM EDT
[#11]

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Like this?

AK74 bump firing


What's the deal with having to continuously rechamber a new round?
3/1/2008 6:52:24 PM EDT
[#12]
Anyone ever try it with a rubber band? When I a buddy of mine got us 900 rounds of 5.56 we had to expend I did a bunch of bump firing. It was pretty cool.
3/1/2008 7:03:15 PM EDT
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Anyone ever try it with a rubber band? When I a buddy of mine got us 900 rounds of 5.56 we had to expend I did a bunch of bump firing. It was pretty cool.



Now you're not bump firing, you're treading on thin ice. Remember if a shoelace can be a machinegun, there's no telling what a rubber band is.



3/1/2008 8:56:04 PM EDT
[#14]
It sucks when you bump fire and the land owner thinks that you are shooting full auto.  
3/2/2008 9:42:35 AM EDT
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Like this?

AK74 bump firing


What's the deal with having to continuously rechamber a new round?


hammer not being reset.
3/2/2008 11:17:08 AM EDT
[#16]

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Well you're just putting extra stress on stuff, simply put really.


Er, they're military pattern rifles, originally made to fire sustained full auto.

No worries dude. Bump away.
3/2/2008 11:18:18 AM EDT
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Anyone ever try it with a rubber band? When I a buddy of mine got us 900 rounds of 5.56 we had to expend I did a bunch of bump firing. It was pretty cool.



Hey! Look! A Federal-Pound-Me-In-The-Ass-Prison candidate.
3/3/2008 2:01:58 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

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Anyone ever try it with a rubber band? When I a buddy of mine got us 900 rounds of 5.56 we had to expend I did a bunch of bump firing. It was pretty cool.



Now you're not bump firing, you're treading on thin ice. Remember if a shoelace can be a machinegun, there's no telling what a rubber band is.





according to these guys who have contacted the ATF rubber bands are ok...www.poormans-machinegun.com/PMMG2.html


check out the video on youtube

3/3/2008 2:07:38 PM EDT
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Ok, now that the topic is opened...anyone ever try bump firing a Glock? I saw a video on it once.


bump firing glock
3/3/2008 2:18:14 PM EDT
[#20]
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Like this? href=AK74 bump firing


How come your rifle jams so much? or does that happen when nump firing on semi?
3/3/2008 2:52:38 PM EDT
[#21]
Wow. You guys argue over bumpfiring?

Teh Ghey.


Come out and visit sometime. We even have 30 round mags for sale, openly!
3/3/2008 5:11:35 PM EDT
[#22]

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Wow. You guys argue over bumpfiring?

Teh Ghey.


Come out and visit sometime. We even have 30 round mags for sale, openly!


Ohh, that hurt. Why are you in the NY/NJ forum? <------- meant as a serious question out of sheer curiosity.
3/3/2008 6:05:16 PM EDT
[#23]

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Quoted:
Like this?

AK74 bump firing


How come your rifle jams so much? or does that happen when nump firing on semi?


Rifle doesnt jam, it doenst feed, refer to post above where I made mention its from the hammer not resetting.  Which is why by chambering a new round I get the hammer reset, so ready to fire again.

Semi auto FCG, being bumped...isnt designed for it.
3/3/2008 7:48:56 PM EDT
[#24]

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Anyone ever try it with a rubber band? When I a buddy of mine got us 900 rounds of 5.56 we had to expend I did a bunch of bump firing. It was pretty cool.



Now you're not bump firing, you're treading on thin ice. Remember if a shoelace can be a machinegun, there's no telling what a rubber band is.





according to these guys who have contacted the ATF rubber bands are ok...www.poormans-machinegun.com/PMMG2.html


check out the video on youtube



Well shit, you learn something new every day. If SHTF I'll be alright! I'll throw some rubber bands into my tac vest.
3/3/2008 9:44:12 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:

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Anyone ever try it with a rubber band? When I a buddy of mine got us 900 rounds of 5.56 we had to expend I did a bunch of bump firing. It was pretty cool.



Hey! Look! A Federal-Pound-Me-In-The-Ass-Prison candidate.


Sorry to disappoint, but I never done it with a rubber band. By the time I found out you could use one I already bump fired and learned how much it costs. No more of that for me. I will just go play with real MGs and let the army pay for the ammo.

And here is the letter that seems to make using a rubber band OK

3/4/2008 5:42:38 AM EDT
[#26]

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Anyone ever try it with a rubber band? When I a buddy of mine got us 900 rounds of 5.56 we had to expend I did a bunch of bump firing. It was pretty cool.



Hey! Look! A Federal-Pound-Me-In-The-Ass-Prison candidate.


Sorry to disappoint, but I never done it with a rubber band. By the time I found out you could use one I already bump fired and learned how much it costs. No more of that for me. I will just go play with real MGs and let the army pay for the ammo.

And here is the letter that seems to make using a rubber band OK

www.poormans-machinegun.com/atf%20letter.JPG


You're not disappointing me at all. You're just throwing out TMI on an open forum and could be perceived as a suggestion of illegal activity. And these days that's enough to pique someone's interest. Nevermind the fact that you are an Eagle Scout honor student who does charity work with underprivilidged left handed red headed step children with AIDs.

As I read it(didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night) the letter doesn't seem to say a rubber band is OK at all. To the contrary it says that a rubber band may not be OK.

Let me restate the letter....


Thanks for the letter asking about "bump firing" and parts to assist you in "bump firing."
We can't answer it.
We sent it to the guys that could at FTB.
Here's how we legally define a machine gun. NFA 26 USC blah blah blah...

The term you said? "Bump fire?" That is for gun nuts and their little world and means nothing to us. We'll refer to it as pulling the trigger really fast.

Just so you know, if you put anything on your gun that allows for more than one round to be fired per trigger pull may very well make what you're holding in your hands a machine gun.And that is illegal.


So they're not saying it is okay, they're simply restating their current interpretation of the law and what may make something a machine gun.

That being said it absolutlely is a dangerous gray area.

Click here and go halfway down. Click on the letter from the BATFE FTB regarding a shoelace with loops at each end that enabled a semi auto to continously fire being deemed a machine gun. So if your rubber band carries the recoil's inertia and causes the gun to fire rapidly, who's to say what it is or isn't. And seeing as how the ATFs eval procedured are dubious at best it's a risk you may not want to take.

The point is this. The ATF doesn't have to be right, only have a reasonable belief that it MAY be a machine gun. That will cost you tens of thousands of dollars, a job, a life etc. You can see from the link above they don't even have to use any semblence of common sense to deem something a machine gun.

BTW, the site you linked the .doc off of is sprinkled with "suggest" and of the "opinion" type language. Also the letter is over a year old. The Akins Accelrator has since been deemed a machine gun by the ATF.

And if you think something actually being perfectly legal protects you do not underestimate the ATFs ability to completely end run that and win a conviction anyways.
Especially when one of our own is convicted.

ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=6&t=507483

edited because I kan spel gud.
3/4/2008 6:39:09 PM EDT
[#27]

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Wow. You guys argue over bumpfiring?

Teh Ghey.


Come out and visit sometime. We even have 30 round mags for sale, openly!


Ohh, that hurt. Why are you in the NY/NJ forum? <------- meant as a serious question out of sheer curiosity.


Once upon a time....I lived in Succasunna.

Looks like I should be glad I don't anymore.