Posted: 5/18/2004 10:53:07 AM EDT
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Seeing as their is no way to get a job as a Nassau cop,,,,,,,,, I'm thinking of applyng for a position as a state trooper. What do y'all think? |
| Pay is actually not that bad. They now start around 45k IIRC and that will be close to 50k after a year. They can work all the OT they can handle right now, and depending upon assignment, cost of living might be much MUCH lower than LI. $50k+ in upstate is a pretty good income. If I wasn't carrying around $75 k in debt from school and my new car loan, I could live very nicely on that. |
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NYSP have jurisdiction throughout the state of NY. In many smaller communities upstate they provide all local police services. In other areas they provide police services on the interstate highways and specialized services to other departments. They have a very through intake process and an extensive training program in their academy. It used to be a six month program. I'm not sure if that has changed. After appointment expect to be assigned to upstate NY until you get some seniority for a better assignment. www.troopers.state.ny.us/ |
| Added to my post in the "Brothers of the Shield" thread. One thing you may want to consider with Federal or even the Troopers is that they can place you ANYWHERE they cover. I thought about the Troopers a while back, then I thought about the fact that they could put me anywhere they wanted/needed in all of NYS. Federal is even worse. Rest assured that a rookie isn't going to get the glam job of escorting the Man right out of the box. You'll be more like "Guarding Tess" or the "First Dog." |
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Yes BUT. If I could be a trooper I would, but it seems that their requirements are somewhat more stringent than the uniformed secret service. I would LOVE to be a state trooper. I would LOVE to be in the sticks, middle of nowhere etc. And the uniformed secret service is only in DC. btw. |
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If you wanted my honest opinion, I'd think you'd have more fun in the NYPD than you'd have in the Uniformed secret service while you wated to take the trooper test. 1) no need to relocate. 2) you are a seriously prime target in this age of terrorist threats in DC. Of course NYC is a major target also, but chances are you won't be assigned to a command in NYC. Basically guarding the White House makes you a sitting duck. In either case, you sound like you are young enough to take any and all tests out there. DO IT! It's great to have options. That's one reason why I like the NYPD. There are so many directions I can go here. I made the "mistake" of waiting too long. I missed all the age cut offs now. |
| State Police exam is offered more than every 3 to 4 years. I can call my people at the Academy and find out the next scheduled exam if you like. Drop me an IM and I'll do what I can. I believe the Acaemy is 20 weeks, 2 classes a year. As of late class size has been averaging 150 to around 225 IIRC. I love shooting at their range when the cadets are around, they are so polite. Of course the replace the rugs around the academy a lot, especially along the walls and around the corners as the cadets "ping" on their way to classes, the mess, the range, their dorms. |
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The application/examination date was extended but only for active-duty military personnel. The last test was given 3 years ago. www.troopers.state.ny.us/ Governor Pataki extends Trooper Application eligibility for Active-Duty Military Personnel Albany, NY - February 6, 2004 - Governor George E. Pataki today announced that he has signed a provision that will allow supplemental competitive examinations for active duty military personnel who missed the application deadline date or date of a State Police entrance exam because of their active duty military status. The application deadline for the next State Police exam was February 1, 2004 for examinations scheduled next month, in March of 2004. “Allowing these individuals who are sacrificing so much already, a chance to pursue a career in public service with the New York State Police, is the least we can do to honor their service to our country, “ Governor Pataki said. “My hope is that this extension will make it easier for those on active duty, who wish to pursue a career of public service with the State Police.” “I applaud the Governor for adding this provision,” said State Police Superintendent Wayne E. Bennett. “Because of their selfless performance of duty for their country, these brave men and women would have otherwise missed out on a great opportunity to pursue a career with the State Police.” Under the new rule provision, the Superintendent may authorize one or more supplemental competitive examinations for individuals who, on the application deadline date or on the date of regular competitive examination, are in active duty military service. Applicants who qualify to take a supplemental competitive examination, must take the first one offered after their release from active military service. An applicant may, if available, take a supplemental competitive examination while in active military service. Applicants who successfully complete a supplemental competitive examination will have their names entered in rank order on the established eligibility list. The last State Police Trooper entry examination took place in March and April of 2001. A total of 16,676 candidates sat for that exam. In large result from the events of September 11, 2001, many otherwise eligible candidates may be unavailable to apply to take the entrance exam or to sit for the exam due to their active duty military status. In November 2003, the Governor signed a similar provision that now allows for the extension of eligibility for State Trooper candidates who are on an established eligibility list who are serving in the military. The November rule change allows Trooper candidates still on active duty when the present list expires to be placed on a preferential list, which will provide them with an additional two years of eligibility. Currently, a Trooper’s starting salary is $48,907 during Academy training. Upon Academy graduation, the salary increases to $52,308, and after one year to $55,713, with additional salary steps during the first five years of service. After 5 years, a Trooper’s salary increases to $66,251, with additional longevity payments through 25 years of service. Additional location compensation is provided for Troopers assigned to New York City, and Dutchess, Nassau, Orange, Putnam, Rockland, Suffolk, and Westchester Counties. Basic School The Basic School for New York State Troopers consists of 26 weeks of training. It is one of the most comprehensive law enforcement recruit training programs in the country and is designed to provide newly appointed troopers with the academic foundation, physical fitness and technical skills necessary to perform their complex, varied police duties with professionalism and excellence. Basic School training is residential; recruits are required to live at the Academy. Class sizes can range from 50 to more than 200 recruits, depending upon departmental needs and budgetary considerations. Each student's commitment is constantly tested by the school's demanding and rigorous college-level program. To graduate a recruit must successfully complete 1,095 hours of training provided by certified law enforcement professionals and members of the New York State Police. |
| OK, spoke with my guy at the Academy. Exam is offered every 2-4 years. They are finishing up the current class mid-June and looks like the next class of 150 reports in a week later. Huge demand for Troopers now due to various security needs. Looks like you are out of luck for two years unless they go through the list of qualified candidates and exhaust all of them sooner - which does happen. People take the test and don't get admitted into the first class or two after the exam and they move on to other professional pursuits. Maybe NYPD and then take the exam when next offered. Might give you a leg-up. |
NYPD has a very structured and extensive training program. Unless something has changed they require recruits to travel in uniform unarmed to and from the academy using public transportation. The recruits (justifiably) always bitch about that. www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/html/training/recruit_training.html |
I'm not sure if that policy is still true. The NYPD guys could tell you. In any case parking is very limited in that area and traffic is a bitch. Public transportation is a much better way to get around NYC. |
That's fucking ignorant. |
Bitch about it? We bitched about the funny hat, the shiney shoes, the longsleeve/jackets in the summer and the strictness of the rules about the uniform, but it wasn't that bad. IF you have a problem of living in a really bad neighborhood and could possibly get involved in a situation because of the uniform, you were alowwd to state your case and receive permission to change before leaving, but that was a rare case. The Recruit uniform is different from the regular NYPD uniform in that we wore grey shirts, and Garrison hats as opposed to the NYPD Navy Blue shirts and 8 point hats. It was pretty much known that the "grey shirts" really had no police power, so we rarely ran into situations where police action was needed. |
You can drive to the Academy, but as stated parking is a bitch. IF you are lucky enough to have a group from your company where you can carpool with, you were good to go. There is a parking garage about a block and a half away from the Academy where you could park your car all day for 10 bucks. |
It's a way that the City can get free police presence. |
Sooo.they send you out to get free police presence, unarmed, partially trained, and with no police powers? Great idea. They only could have come up with that in New York, land of 10 round Glocks and FMJ duty ammo so you won't actually hurt someone. 
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Hey, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger!
I don't think that's true anymore. |
Hey! We use Speer Gold Dot and have 15 round LE mags. 
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| And not much else. A maximum of three LEO mags until the springs fail, followed by endless grovelling for permission to get more(until/unless the ban dies). Asp for impact weapon? the 16" version. Pepper spray, I suppose. Anything more is considered a heavy weapon and unavailable to patrol, which I guarantee you'll be for at least two, maybe ten years. Or until we're invaded by al-quaeda merchant troop carriers. Always remember these words; "The city will not indemnify you for (insert anything you'd do as a police officer in fear city). |
21" ASP/Expandable Baton or 26 strait Baton. |
Dude, go in, do a few years in NYC, cut your teeth, get out to a better job. Rollover is EASY in many states like FLA or Vegas Metro for instance. I did it that way with EMS. I gained a life's worth of experience in a few years and moved on to a better job. Kudos to the guys that do it. For me, I couldn't afford a house in Nassau on an NYC EMS salary and had no intention of living with my parents til I was 35. Too much work, too much danger too little pay. It's a good way to go. |
| If you want to be a cog in the machinery, sure, join the NYSP. Too bogged down as an agency to adapt quickly to new trends, in my opinion. Plus, they are so quota driven that if you don't keep up, you are sent to the NY version of Siberia.Not how I want to spend my career. |
It's such an easy in, though. You take as many exams as you possibly can. NYPD will definitely the first to call/hire you. Now you have that on your resume. You can list that on any and all exams you take there after, and you don't have to flip burgers while you wit for your results for Nassau or Suffolk (not to mention the "full carry permit" in NYS) |
You also accrue time in the pension system which you can carry over to another NYS PD. |
depends on the department. Of which, I'm not sure of the particulars, but CJ was looking to get his foot in the door of LE, especially looking into one of the Counties. I know for a fact that they take current or former LE first. (Saves them the cost of training) So instead of taking the County testwhere 40k apply for 300 jobs and waiting 3 years to find out your list expired, why not go with the NYPD, get some experience, and better your chances elsewhere. |
Yes you're correct it depends on the department about how/if the prior service retirement credits will be applied. Some of the departments are also getting real testy about having to train new guys only to have them go to another department in 2-3 years. AFAIK the NYSP won't accept any other departments training so you have to attend their 6 month academy even if you're already NYS certified. Doesn't NYPD work that way also? Yeah, it's definitely a good idea for him to get on the NYPD if he can. |
I have no idea. I've never heard of anyone giving up another LE job to work for the NYPD. 
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There's a guy in my precinct who left Phoenix PD to come here. Claims he was bored. Stays in patrol a year then gets a summons detail. Rides around looking for movers (traffic violations). Steady weekends off. Requested transfer to Highway. Hates guns, goes home without. Leaves it in the locker. AFAIK, got nothing from his previous job. |