[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Shooting ranges (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/5/2016 3:08:34 PM EDT
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Are there any decent shooting ranges in the DFW metroplex, or within an hour drive without dumb rules and range nazis?
I went to Alpine near Arlington, but they don't allow FMJ rifle ammo. Also, you have to post your target at set distances, and the range nazis got mad at me for shooting double tap drills. Apparently you are only allowed to fire one shot every two seconds. I seriously think I've had a better experience at the DMV. I just want to shoot my pistols at 10 feet up to 25 yards, and my 22 rifles and AR from 25 or 50yd. I'd also like to be able to use my chronograph from time to time. I really miss the awesome tax-funded Missouri shooting ranges that were free and didn't have rude range officers. |
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Buy some land and you can do whatever the hell you want. Public ranges have to base rules on the lowest common denominator. Their rules are generally based on people being stupid. YOU may not be stupid, but they don't know that. Quoted:
Buy some land and you can do whatever the hell you want. Public ranges have to base rules on the lowest common denominator. Their rules are generally based on people being stupid. YOU may not be stupid, but they don't know that. I understand that, but the public shooting ranges in Missouri were free and did not have a range officer. I never saw anything unsafe going on. Even if I did see stupid stuff, I'd just figure that because the range is free, you have to expect stupid to show up. These dumb rules are sort of like anti-gunners assuming that all gun owners are bad people. Why not be more lax, but have the ROs toss out the idiots? Quoted:
Where are you located? I live in Arlington, but don't mind driving a bit. It looks like Shoot Smart might be the best option. I generally prefer outdoor ranges, but it's so hot here that indoor would probably be better for now. |
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Buy some land and you can do whatever the hell you want. Public ranges have to base rules on the lowest common denominator. Their rules are generally based on people being stupid. YOU may not be stupid, but they don't know that. This or.... Go back to where ya came from!! 
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I understand that, but the public shooting ranges in Missouri were free and did not have a range officer. I never saw anything unsafe going on. Even if I did see stupid stuff, I'd just figure that because the range is free, you have to expect stupid to show up. These dumb rules are sort of like anti-gunners assuming that all gun owners are bad people. Why not be more lax, but have the ROs toss out the idiots? . Quoted:
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Buy some land and you can do whatever the hell you want. Public ranges have to base rules on the lowest common denominator. Their rules are generally based on people being stupid. YOU may not be stupid, but they don't know that. I understand that, but the public shooting ranges in Missouri were free and did not have a range officer. I never saw anything unsafe going on. Even if I did see stupid stuff, I'd just figure that because the range is free, you have to expect stupid to show up. These dumb rules are sort of like anti-gunners assuming that all gun owners are bad people. Why not be more lax, but have the ROs toss out the idiots? . If they are any more lax, you might be shot or the range burned to the ground before the RSO can stop it. You should try owning or running a range.... its a bitch.. 
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Life in the city.
I have seen more stupid shit being done at ranges lately. I thought one RO's head was going to blow up. People are forced to read the range rules prior to shooting. They then get all pissed off when they are called out for breaking rules it in front of other shooters. I don't agree with all range rules, but I do follow them. Those that are called out are usually not very well spoken. I am not sure that they were actually able to read the page of rules prior to signing it. |
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Sounds like Missouri has some ranges you may like.  we really don't care how "we did it back home"  their range their rules..
I have enough acreage to shoot off my back porch at 85 yards or from the berm of the stock tank out to 300 yards or a foot from the target for draw and fire exercises . my range, my rules. .you should try that...or open your own private/public range and deal with the EPA, City, County, State, agencies and enforcments, the ATF, insurance premiums, and watching the general population dumb asses that shoot up your stands, benches and roofing..while praying to GOD they don't shoot you or each other of which you'll be liable in the end
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Teaxs is not Missouri. There is essentially no public land in Texas, so hard to do county ranges in Texas. The tax structure in Texas makes supporting public ranges difficult as well. And finally, the population density and corresponding idiot ratio in the area you describe, is going to be very different then how it was back home. On an additional note, coming to a place and talking about how much better it was back in the state you fled, is rarely warmly recieved.
I've been to Alpine. IT sucks, but Hell, today, I don't blame them. |
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Dallas area has quite a few ranges with some goofy rules, one That gets me is no FMJ. I can understand no AP rounds like M855 is the range supplies steel targets. In Cenertal Texas the ranges are much better, no where never the crazy rules, I shoot at both Copperhead and BOTW. There is the one FUDD range up on Nameless road. When there once, talked to who ever was behind the counter. $5 to 'join' is cool plus range fees. The guy said no FMJ allowed, I've seen this before usually part of an insurance settlement or insurance copmpany that is not a NRA backed company. I asked the guy why not and got 'It is illegal to shoot FMJ in Texas unless you have a minimum of 1000 acres. Get real if a customer asks about a rule just be honest with them why it is in place, but don't lie about it.
When you look at all the country/city baseball, soccer fields are out there I can't see why counties/cities/the state doesn't does have ranges you can pay to shoot at. Arizona built Ben Avery just north of Phoenix and it not only pays for itself but makes a profit for the state. Hays county was planning to build a county owned range after some kid was shot in his backyard by a neighbor 'target shooting' in his backyard thinking a fence would stop a 22. Some of the problem with ranges is a range opens in the middle of nowhere like ARC and then everyone wants to build their mini ranches and subdivions around it. Noise is one thing, you move near a range, don't bitch about the noise. But the range has to be smart enough to know how to keep rounds from leaving the range. |
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Teaxs is not Missouri. There is essentially no public land in Texas, so hard to do county ranges in Texas. The tax structure in Texas makes supporting public ranges difficult as well. And finally, the population density and corresponding idiot ratio in the area you describe, is going to be very different then how it was back home. On an additional note, coming to a place and talking about how much better it was back in the state you fled, is rarely warmly recieved. I've been to Alpine. IT sucks, but Hell, today, I don't blame them. Don't be too hard on him for complaining. I was extremely bitter when I moved from NJ to TX because certain things were not better here, and I thought they should have been. Especially when it came to restarting my business here - so much hostility towards me. I have adapted, I do love it here, but I still wish I had the success I had back East. |
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Don't be too hard on him for complaining. I was extremely bitter when I moved from NJ to TX because certain things were not better here, and I thought they should have been. Especially when it came to restarting my business here - so much hostility towards me. I have adapted, I do love it here, but I still wish I had the success I had back East. Quoted:
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Teaxs is not Missouri. There is essentially no public land in Texas, so hard to do county ranges in Texas. The tax structure in Texas makes supporting public ranges difficult as well. And finally, the population density and corresponding idiot ratio in the area you describe, is going to be very different then how it was back home. On an additional note, coming to a place and talking about how much better it was back in the state you fled, is rarely warmly recieved. I've been to Alpine. IT sucks, but Hell, today, I don't blame them. Don't be too hard on him for complaining. I was extremely bitter when I moved from NJ to TX because certain things were not better here, and I thought they should have been. Especially when it came to restarting my business here - so much hostility towards me. I have adapted, I do love it here, but I still wish I had the success I had back East. Texans have a saying for this. |
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Buy some land and you can do whatever the hell you want. Public ranges have to base rules on the lowest common denominator. Their rules are generally based on people being stupid. YOU may not be stupid, but they don't know that. Factual post with totally useless information.
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First thing you need to understand is your so called free range in MO was not free. As you said they were tax funded ranges. If you paid tax in MO then you paid for it.
Now here is what I tell everyone that compares their state to my state. You have 3 options 1. Go back to your failed state and crapy job you had there. Obviously you could not find decent work there or you would not have come here. 2. Find a different range that will allow you to do what you want there and get over that your now in Texas and not a shitty state 3. Piss up a rope for insulting Texas as we don't give a shit what it was like where you came from. Now if you would go back and change your OP and just ask "hey where can I shoot without dumb rules around here" you would most likely not had as many people being mean to you. |
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We allow FMJ and our pistols bays go out to 25 yards and are rifle rated. Rifle range is 85 yards, and rated up to .338 Lapua. All targets are adjustable for distance. You can double tap if you know what you're doing. No drawing from a holster, but you can start at low ready. Steel plates on Tuesdays. 9mm and 45 ACP only. No steel or aluminum cased ammo. No steel core or bi metal jacketed ammo. Fully air conditioned, and 30 minutes from Arlington. Defender Outdoors 2900 Shotts Street Fort Worth, TX 76015. Open until 9pm except for 6pm on Sundays. Send me a PM and I'll leave a range pass for the pistol range at the front desk. |
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Look up Johnson County Shooting Sports Association. Reasonable accommodations and rules at a very reasonable price. Only problem is there is about a 2 year waiting list for membership You just broke the first two rules of fight club. There is already like 200 yahoos on the waiting list. Some of the might as well be Arfcom yahoos |
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We allow FMJ and our pistols bays go out to 25 yards and are rifle rated. Rifle range is 85 yards, and rated up to .338 Lapua. All targets are adjustable for distance. You can double tap if you know what you're doing. No drawing from a holster, but you can start at low ready. Steel plates on Tuesdays. 9mm and 45 ACP only. No steel or aluminum cased ammo. No steel core or bi metal jacketed ammo. Fully air conditioned, and 30 minutes from Arlington. Defender Outdoors 2900 Shotts Street Fort Worth, TX 76015. Open until 9pm except for 6pm on Sundays. Send me a PM and I'll leave a range pass for the pistol range at the front desk. It's really nice !! |
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Look up Johnson County Shooting Sports Association. Reasonable accommodations and rules at a very reasonable price. Only problem is there is about a 2 year waiting list for membership You just broke the first two rules of fight club. There is already like 200 yahoos on the waiting list. Some of the might as well be Arfcom yahoos I'm a member and my son has been on the waiting list for a long time. I think folks have to croak before anyone new can get on. But it's a great place to shoot and has been part of my life for a long time. |
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Look up Johnson County Shooting Sports Association. Reasonable accommodations and rules at a very reasonable price. Only problem is there is about a 2 year waiting list for membership You just broke the first two rules of fight club. There is already like 200 yahoos on the waiting list. Some of the might as well be Arfcom yahoos 
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I'm a member and my son has been on the waiting list for a long time. I think folks have to croak before anyone new can get on. But it's a great place to shoot and has been part of my life for a long time. Quoted:
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Look up Johnson County Shooting Sports Association. Reasonable accommodations and rules at a very reasonable price. Only problem is there is about a 2 year waiting list for membership You just broke the first two rules of fight club. There is already like 200 yahoos on the waiting list. Some of the might as well be Arfcom yahoos I'm a member and my son has been on the waiting list for a long time. I think folks have to croak before anyone new can get on. But it's a great place to shoot and has been part of my life for a long time. I like it, too. Now if they allow full autos again, it'd be great.....But then again, I'd bet one or two dumbsh!ts would mess it up for everyone. |
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I moved to Dallas about a year ago and I had an initial heart break because most of the ranges suck. However I have found two decent ranges.
#1 ETTS in Waxahachie. (just go here it's awesome) - South of Dallas #2 B-Tactical (they have a few silly rules and a weird system of tracking what lane you are on, but otherwise it is good) - North East of Dallas |
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I like it, too. Now if they allow full autos again, it'd be great.....But then again, I'd bet one or two dumbsh!ts would mess it up for everyone. Quoted:
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Look up Johnson County Shooting Sports Association. Reasonable accommodations and rules at a very reasonable price. Only problem is there is about a 2 year waiting list for membership You just broke the first two rules of fight club. There is already like 200 yahoos on the waiting list. Some of the might as well be Arfcom yahoos I'm a member and my son has been on the waiting list for a long time. I think folks have to croak before anyone new can get on. But it's a great place to shoot and has been part of my life for a long time. I like it, too. Now if they allow full autos again, it'd be great.....But then again, I'd bet one or two dumbsh!ts would mess it up for everyone. That's why they banned auto to begin with, same with shotguns. |
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Arlington Sportsman Club in Mansfield. Private. Wow! As they say, "blast from the past" for me. I was a member there 20 years ago and attended one of the very first CHL classes offered. I moved 'up north' a year or two after that, and never heard (or thought) of that place since. Back then it was waaaaay out in the country. I"m guessing now it's surrounded by civilization. It was a nice and friendly place back then. They had a small archery range, 25ft pistol bays, and 100yd and 300yd rifle bays. I know, I know, nothing more worthless than a 20-year out of date review.
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First thing you need to understand is your so called free range in MO was not free. As you said they were tax funded ranges. If you paid tax in MO then you paid for it. Now here is what I tell everyone that compares their state to my state. You have 3 options 1. Go back to your failed state and crapy job you had there. Obviously you could not find decent work there or you would not have come here. 2. Find a different range that will allow you to do what you want there and get over that your now in Texas and not a shitty state 3. Piss up a rope for insulting Texas as we don't give a shit what it was like where you came from. Now if you would go back and change your OP and just ask "hey where can I shoot without dumb rules around here" you would most likely not had as many people being mean to you. See, this is why so many people dislike Texas/Texans. You can't say anything negative about the state without 1000 obnoxious Texans coming to defend it. I actually like it here, despite some of the annoying stereotypical Texas people. If you'd go back and read my original post, I never said anything negative about Texas. I was just irritated that in one of the largest metro areas in the country (in a non-libtard state), I cannot find a decent shooting range. This is TEXAS. People love guns here. Say what you want about Missouri (I liked certain aspects of the state, and disliked others), but the outdoor/hunting culture was MUCH better there than I've experienced here in DFW. I'm not even from Missouri, so I have no reason to defend the state. There is really no need to insult the state just because you are PO'd that you feel like someone insulted Texas (which I didn't). I went to a shooting range in Baltimore that had less rules than Alpine (yes, Baltimore in the MD gun-unfriendly state). Yes, some rules keep everyone safe, but other rules take the fun out of shooting. Alpine's slow fire rule pretty much prevents anyone from practicing self-defense drills. And prohibiting FMJ rifle ammo pretty much limits any sort of shooting that doesn't cost $1 per round. The range I was a member of in North Carolina had a range officer on the weekend, but during the week, the RO was at work. He trusted his members not to do stupid stuff. No one ever did. It was great. Clearly I'm not the only one thinking this because I've received several PMs from other people who also had trouble finding a decent range. |
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See, this is why so many people dislike Texas/Texans. You can't say anything negative about the state without 1000 obnoxious Texans coming to defend it. I actually like it here, despite some of the annoying stereotypical Texas people. If you'd go back and read my original post, I never said anything negative about Texas. I was just irritated that in one of the largest metro areas in the country (in a non-libtard state), I cannot find a decent shooting range. This is TEXAS. People love guns here. Say what you want about Missouri (I liked certain aspects of the state, and disliked others), but the outdoor/hunting culture was MUCH better there than I've experienced here in DFW. I'm not even from Missouri, so I have no reason to defend the state. There is really no need to insult the state just because you are PO'd that you feel like someone insulted Texas (which I didn't). I went to a shooting range in Baltimore that had less rules than Alpine (yes, Baltimore in the MD gun-unfriendly state). Yes, some rules keep everyone safe, but other rules take the fun out of shooting. Alpine's slow fire rule pretty much prevents anyone from practicing self-defense drills. And prohibiting FMJ rifle ammo pretty much limits any sort of shooting that doesn't cost $1 per round. The range I was a member of in North Carolina had a range officer on the weekend, but during the week, the RO was at work. He trusted his members not to do stupid stuff. No one ever did. It was great. Clearly I'm not the only one thinking this because I've received several PMs from other people who also had trouble finding a decent range. Quoted:
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First thing you need to understand is your so called free range in MO was not free. As you said they were tax funded ranges. If you paid tax in MO then you paid for it. Now here is what I tell everyone that compares their state to my state. You have 3 options 1. Go back to your failed state and crapy job you had there. Obviously you could not find decent work there or you would not have come here. 2. Find a different range that will allow you to do what you want there and get over that your now in Texas and not a shitty state 3. Piss up a rope for insulting Texas as we don't give a shit what it was like where you came from. Now if you would go back and change your OP and just ask "hey where can I shoot without dumb rules around here" you would most likely not had as many people being mean to you. See, this is why so many people dislike Texas/Texans. You can't say anything negative about the state without 1000 obnoxious Texans coming to defend it. I actually like it here, despite some of the annoying stereotypical Texas people. If you'd go back and read my original post, I never said anything negative about Texas. I was just irritated that in one of the largest metro areas in the country (in a non-libtard state), I cannot find a decent shooting range. This is TEXAS. People love guns here. Say what you want about Missouri (I liked certain aspects of the state, and disliked others), but the outdoor/hunting culture was MUCH better there than I've experienced here in DFW. I'm not even from Missouri, so I have no reason to defend the state. There is really no need to insult the state just because you are PO'd that you feel like someone insulted Texas (which I didn't). I went to a shooting range in Baltimore that had less rules than Alpine (yes, Baltimore in the MD gun-unfriendly state). Yes, some rules keep everyone safe, but other rules take the fun out of shooting. Alpine's slow fire rule pretty much prevents anyone from practicing self-defense drills. And prohibiting FMJ rifle ammo pretty much limits any sort of shooting that doesn't cost $1 per round. The range I was a member of in North Carolina had a range officer on the weekend, but during the week, the RO was at work. He trusted his members not to do stupid stuff. No one ever did. It was great. Clearly I'm not the only one thinking this because I've received several PMs from other people who also had trouble finding a decent range. Look at it this way - assume you are married to a GREAT woman but you keep telling her how much better your ex was in bed and you wish she would be like that. How do you think she'd react? Texans don't like people moving here for TEXAS and then compare with their crappy state and complain why it was so much better and we should do it like "back home". We're full of outsiders trying to change us. Got it? If not, you won't last long here. |
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See, this is why so many people dislike Texas/Texans. You can't say anything negative about the state without 1000 obnoxious Texans coming to defend it. I actually like it here, despite some of the annoying stereotypical Texas people. If you'd go back and read my original post, I never said anything negative about Texas. I was just irritated that in one of the largest metro areas in the country (in a non-libtard state), I cannot find a decent shooting range. This is TEXAS. People love guns here. Say what you want about Missouri (I liked certain aspects of the state, and disliked others), but the outdoor/hunting culture was MUCH better there than I've experienced here in DFW. I'm not even from Missouri, so I have no reason to defend the state. There is really no need to insult the state just because you are PO'd that you feel like someone insulted Texas (which I didn't). I went to a shooting range in Baltimore that had less rules than Alpine (yes, Baltimore in the MD gun-unfriendly state). Yes, some rules keep everyone safe, but other rules take the fun out of shooting. Alpine's slow fire rule pretty much prevents anyone from practicing self-defense drills. And prohibiting FMJ rifle ammo pretty much limits any sort of shooting that doesn't cost $1 per round. The range I was a member of in North Carolina had a range officer on the weekend, but during the week, the RO was at work. He trusted his members not to do stupid stuff. No one ever did. It was great. Clearly I'm not the only one thinking this because I've received several PMs from other people who also had trouble finding a decent range. Quoted:
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First thing you need to understand is your so called free range in MO was not free. As you said they were tax funded ranges. If you paid tax in MO then you paid for it. Now here is what I tell everyone that compares their state to my state. You have 3 options 1. Go back to your failed state and crapy job you had there. Obviously you could not find decent work there or you would not have come here. 2. Find a different range that will allow you to do what you want there and get over that your now in Texas and not a shitty state 3. Piss up a rope for insulting Texas as we don't give a shit what it was like where you came from. Now if you would go back and change your OP and just ask "hey where can I shoot without dumb rules around here" you would most likely not had as many people being mean to you. See, this is why so many people dislike Texas/Texans. You can't say anything negative about the state without 1000 obnoxious Texans coming to defend it. I actually like it here, despite some of the annoying stereotypical Texas people. If you'd go back and read my original post, I never said anything negative about Texas. I was just irritated that in one of the largest metro areas in the country (in a non-libtard state), I cannot find a decent shooting range. This is TEXAS. People love guns here. Say what you want about Missouri (I liked certain aspects of the state, and disliked others), but the outdoor/hunting culture was MUCH better there than I've experienced here in DFW. I'm not even from Missouri, so I have no reason to defend the state. There is really no need to insult the state just because you are PO'd that you feel like someone insulted Texas (which I didn't). I went to a shooting range in Baltimore that had less rules than Alpine (yes, Baltimore in the MD gun-unfriendly state). Yes, some rules keep everyone safe, but other rules take the fun out of shooting. Alpine's slow fire rule pretty much prevents anyone from practicing self-defense drills. And prohibiting FMJ rifle ammo pretty much limits any sort of shooting that doesn't cost $1 per round. The range I was a member of in North Carolina had a range officer on the weekend, but during the week, the RO was at work. He trusted his members not to do stupid stuff. No one ever did. It was great. Clearly I'm not the only one thinking this because I've received several PMs from other people who also had trouble finding a decent range. Well option 3 listed was me trying to be nice.. What I usally say is really not nice at all. I am sure that you would have gotten bent really out of shape if I wasn't being nice |
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Look at it this way - assume you are married to a GREAT woman but you keep telling her how much better your ex was in bed and you wish she would be like that. How do you think she'd react? Texans don't like people moving here for TEXAS and then compare with their crappy state and complain why it was so much better and we should do it like "back home". We're full of outsiders trying to change us. Got it? If not, you won't last long here. Quoted:
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First thing you need to understand is your so called free range in MO was not free. As you said they were tax funded ranges. If you paid tax in MO then you paid for it. Now here is what I tell everyone that compares their state to my state. You have 3 options 1. Go back to your failed state and crapy job you had there. Obviously you could not find decent work there or you would not have come here. 2. Find a different range that will allow you to do what you want there and get over that your now in Texas and not a shitty state 3. Piss up a rope for insulting Texas as we don't give a shit what it was like where you came from. Now if you would go back and change your OP and just ask "hey where can I shoot without dumb rules around here" you would most likely not had as many people being mean to you. See, this is why so many people dislike Texas/Texans. You can't say anything negative about the state without 1000 obnoxious Texans coming to defend it. I actually like it here, despite some of the annoying stereotypical Texas people. If you'd go back and read my original post, I never said anything negative about Texas. I was just irritated that in one of the largest metro areas in the country (in a non-libtard state), I cannot find a decent shooting range. This is TEXAS. People love guns here. Say what you want about Missouri (I liked certain aspects of the state, and disliked others), but the outdoor/hunting culture was MUCH better there than I've experienced here in DFW. I'm not even from Missouri, so I have no reason to defend the state. There is really no need to insult the state just because you are PO'd that you feel like someone insulted Texas (which I didn't). I went to a shooting range in Baltimore that had less rules than Alpine (yes, Baltimore in the MD gun-unfriendly state). Yes, some rules keep everyone safe, but other rules take the fun out of shooting. Alpine's slow fire rule pretty much prevents anyone from practicing self-defense drills. And prohibiting FMJ rifle ammo pretty much limits any sort of shooting that doesn't cost $1 per round. The range I was a member of in North Carolina had a range officer on the weekend, but during the week, the RO was at work. He trusted his members not to do stupid stuff. No one ever did. It was great. Clearly I'm not the only one thinking this because I've received several PMs from other people who also had trouble finding a decent range. Look at it this way - assume you are married to a GREAT woman but you keep telling her how much better your ex was in bed and you wish she would be like that. How do you think she'd react? Texans don't like people moving here for TEXAS and then compare with their crappy state and complain why it was so much better and we should do it like "back home". We're full of outsiders trying to change us. Got it? If not, you won't last long here. I wasn't comparing the state of Texas to the state of Missouri. I was comparing shooting ranges. It's like comparing grocery stores in one town vs another. Has nothing to do with the states themselves. Some people take everything like an attack on their manhood/statehood. Maybe these people need to get out and experience the rest of the country. Adding some state parks with shooting ranges would make Texas an even better state. I'm sure there are great ranges in Texas, I just haven't found one yet. Luckily I've got some leads thanks to some kind people on here. |
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I wasn't comparing the state of Texas to the state of Missouri. I was comparing shooting ranges. It's like comparing grocery stores in one town vs another. Has nothing to do with the states themselves. Some people take everything like an attack on their manhood/statehood. Maybe these people need to get out and experience the rest of the country. Adding some state parks with shooting ranges would make Texas an even better state. I'm sure there are great ranges in Texas, I just haven't found one yet. Luckily I've got some leads thanks to some kind people on here. Quoted:
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First thing you need to understand is your so called free range in MO was not free. As you said they were tax funded ranges. If you paid tax in MO then you paid for it. Now here is what I tell everyone that compares their state to my state. You have 3 options 1. Go back to your failed state and crapy job you had there. Obviously you could not find decent work there or you would not have come here. 2. Find a different range that will allow you to do what you want there and get over that your now in Texas and not a shitty state 3. Piss up a rope for insulting Texas as we don't give a shit what it was like where you came from. Now if you would go back and change your OP and just ask "hey where can I shoot without dumb rules around here" you would most likely not had as many people being mean to you. See, this is why so many people dislike Texas/Texans. You can't say anything negative about the state without 1000 obnoxious Texans coming to defend it. I actually like it here, despite some of the annoying stereotypical Texas people. If you'd go back and read my original post, I never said anything negative about Texas. I was just irritated that in one of the largest metro areas in the country (in a non-libtard state), I cannot find a decent shooting range. This is TEXAS. People love guns here. Say what you want about Missouri (I liked certain aspects of the state, and disliked others), but the outdoor/hunting culture was MUCH better there than I've experienced here in DFW. I'm not even from Missouri, so I have no reason to defend the state. There is really no need to insult the state just because you are PO'd that you feel like someone insulted Texas (which I didn't). I went to a shooting range in Baltimore that had less rules than Alpine (yes, Baltimore in the MD gun-unfriendly state). Yes, some rules keep everyone safe, but other rules take the fun out of shooting. Alpine's slow fire rule pretty much prevents anyone from practicing self-defense drills. And prohibiting FMJ rifle ammo pretty much limits any sort of shooting that doesn't cost $1 per round. The range I was a member of in North Carolina had a range officer on the weekend, but during the week, the RO was at work. He trusted his members not to do stupid stuff. No one ever did. It was great. Clearly I'm not the only one thinking this because I've received several PMs from other people who also had trouble finding a decent range. Look at it this way - assume you are married to a GREAT woman but you keep telling her how much better your ex was in bed and you wish she would be like that. How do you think she'd react? Texans don't like people moving here for TEXAS and then compare with their crappy state and complain why it was so much better and we should do it like "back home". We're full of outsiders trying to change us. Got it? If not, you won't last long here. I wasn't comparing the state of Texas to the state of Missouri. I was comparing shooting ranges. It's like comparing grocery stores in one town vs another. Has nothing to do with the states themselves. Some people take everything like an attack on their manhood/statehood. Maybe these people need to get out and experience the rest of the country. Adding some state parks with shooting ranges would make Texas an even better state. I'm sure there are great ranges in Texas, I just haven't found one yet. Luckily I've got some leads thanks to some kind people on here. You WERE comparing & complaining then with an expected pissed off response you then start with insults (obnoxious Texans). How do you expect this to end for you? |
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I guess I didn't realize that people would take offense to someone complaining about ranges with crazy rules and rude range officers. My intention was not to insult anyone. If anything, I expected people to also say that ranges around DFW are lame, but give me options of non-lame ranges.
I only mentioned Missouri because the state has an awesome system of state-funded ranges throughout the state where you don't have to deal with rules that ruin the hobby and range officers that make judge judy seem like a saint. Seems like the ideal system to me, maybe even better than shooting on BLM land. Obnoxious Texans were mentioned because some of the people who attacked me are acting just like that. They turned a post asking about ranges into some sort of herp derp Texas pissing match. I'm sure you could say something like "I love Texas, but it's pretty hot here" and get responses like "well, if you don't like the 105 degrees, you can go back to wherever you came from". I honestly don't know of anyone who would say "I love having strict range rules and rude ROs. There's not a thing I'd change about DFW ranges". |
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I have family that live in Missouri and I can confirm that the hunting/fishing is 10x what it is in Texas can offer. Numerous huge areas of public land open for hunting/fishing! But MO taxes you for EVERYHTING including income, and property taxes on every type of vehicle.
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I have family that live in Missouri and I can confirm that the hunting/fishing is 10x what it is in Texas can offer. Numerous huge areas of public land open for hunting/fishing! But MO taxes you for EVERYHTING including income, and property taxes on every type of vehicle. Look at ETTS or B-Tactical, welcome to Texas. Yep... Amazing what can be made available to people when you have the shit taxed out of you. But most like the OP try and think places like that are free ( he even said the range was free in one of his post). They don't relize that there is no such thing as a free lunch. For me I don't want to pay for other people's shit. I only wish to pay for my shit. |
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I have family that live in Missouri and I can confirm that the hunting/fishing is 10x what it is in Texas can offer. Numerous huge areas of public land open for hunting/fishing! But MO taxes you for EVERYHTING including income, and property taxes on every type of vehicle. Look at ETTS or B-Tactical, welcome to Texas. Quoted:
I have family that live in Missouri and I can confirm that the hunting/fishing is 10x what it is in Texas can offer. Numerous huge areas of public land open for hunting/fishing! But MO taxes you for EVERYHTING including income, and property taxes on every type of vehicle. Look at ETTS or B-Tactical, welcome to Texas. I guess it depends on how you look at it. Property tax was half of what it is here in Texas. However, MO did zap you on vehicle property tax to pay for school districts. But my car insurance and gas tax was lower than here in DFW, so I guess it all works out in the end. Because my income is around the $50K mark, I might be better off paying lower property tax and some income tax because my income tax burden would be rather low. I think I paid $900 in MO income tax in 2015. No idea if low MO income tax + low property tax would be higher/lower/equal than high TX property tax, but no income tax. I look at it this way. Some ranges in DFW charge $20 per visit. If I go weekly, that's $80 per month, or $960/year. My income tax in Missouri paid for my range trips. At least Missouri provides shooting ranges for residents. Guess what you get with your tax dollars in other states like New Jersey? Definitely not shooting ranges. Quoted:
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I have family that live in Missouri and I can confirm that the hunting/fishing is 10x what it is in Texas can offer. Numerous huge areas of public land open for hunting/fishing! But MO taxes you for EVERYHTING including income, and property taxes on every type of vehicle. Look at ETTS or B-Tactical, welcome to Texas. Yep... Amazing what can be made available to people when you have the shit taxed out of you. But most like the OP try and think places like that are free ( he even said the range was free in one of his post). They don't relize that there is no such thing as a free lunch. For me I don't want to pay for other people's shit. I only wish to pay for my shit. Taxes. Such is life. What do high property taxes in Texas pay for? School districts mostly. I don't have kids. See where I'm going with this... State income tax, property tax, vehicle taxes. All the same thing. |
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I guess I didn't realize that people would take offense to someone complaining about ranges with crazy rules and rude range officers. My intention was not to insult anyone. If anything, I expected people to also say that ranges around DFW are lame, but give me options of non-lame ranges. I only mentioned Missouri because the state has an awesome system of state-funded ranges throughout the state where you don't have to deal with rules that ruin the hobby and range officers that make judge judy seem like a saint. Seems like the ideal system to me, maybe even better than shooting on BLM land. Obnoxious Texans were mentioned because some of the people who attacked me are acting just like that. They turned a post asking about ranges into some sort of herp derp Texas pissing match. I'm sure you could say something like "I love Texas, but it's pretty hot here" and get responses like "well, if you don't like the 105 degrees, you can go back to wherever you came from". I honestly don't know of anyone who would say "I love having strict range rules and rude ROs. There's not a thing I'd change about DFW ranges". As a fellow former Yankee myself, let me vent a little. Wait till you are at the range minding your own business, following the rules, and then they let somebody break certain rules time and again. You mention it, and then you are the shit bag of the day. - one shot per second, but full auto/burst is ok, they are shooting rentals 
- no 22, but 22 is used by some buddies of the "head guy" - scoped rifles only, well except for "those guys" - no FMJ.... but, well, he is a good shot - "safest range in DFW" - as the 100 lb. bimbette shoots the rental .50 Desert Eagle - the 2 weekends before deer hunting season - STAY HOME - don't go to any range |
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I guess it depends on how you look at it. Property tax was half of what it is here in Texas. However, MO did zap you on vehicle property tax to pay for school districts. But my car insurance and gas tax was lower than here in DFW, so I guess it all works out in the end. Because my income is around the $50K mark, I might be better off paying lower property tax and some income tax because my income tax burden would be rather low. I think I paid $900 in MO income tax in 2015. No idea if low MO income tax + low property tax would be higher/lower/equal than high TX property tax, but no income tax. I look at it this way. Some ranges in DFW charge $20 per visit. If I go weekly, that's $80 per month, or $960/year. My income tax in Missouri paid for my range trips. At least Missouri provides shooting ranges for residents. Guess what you get with your tax dollars in other states like New Jersey? Definitely not shooting ranges. Taxes. Such is life. What do high property taxes in Texas pay for? School districts mostly. I don't have kids. See where I'm going with this... State income tax, property tax, vehicle taxes. All the same thing. Quoted:
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I have family that live in Missouri and I can confirm that the hunting/fishing is 10x what it is in Texas can offer. Numerous huge areas of public land open for hunting/fishing! But MO taxes you for EVERYHTING including income, and property taxes on every type of vehicle. Look at ETTS or B-Tactical, welcome to Texas. I guess it depends on how you look at it. Property tax was half of what it is here in Texas. However, MO did zap you on vehicle property tax to pay for school districts. But my car insurance and gas tax was lower than here in DFW, so I guess it all works out in the end. Because my income is around the $50K mark, I might be better off paying lower property tax and some income tax because my income tax burden would be rather low. I think I paid $900 in MO income tax in 2015. No idea if low MO income tax + low property tax would be higher/lower/equal than high TX property tax, but no income tax. I look at it this way. Some ranges in DFW charge $20 per visit. If I go weekly, that's $80 per month, or $960/year. My income tax in Missouri paid for my range trips. At least Missouri provides shooting ranges for residents. Guess what you get with your tax dollars in other states like New Jersey? Definitely not shooting ranges. Quoted:
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I have family that live in Missouri and I can confirm that the hunting/fishing is 10x what it is in Texas can offer. Numerous huge areas of public land open for hunting/fishing! But MO taxes you for EVERYHTING including income, and property taxes on every type of vehicle. Look at ETTS or B-Tactical, welcome to Texas. Yep... Amazing what can be made available to people when you have the shit taxed out of you. But most like the OP try and think places like that are free ( he even said the range was free in one of his post). They don't relize that there is no such thing as a free lunch. For me I don't want to pay for other people's shit. I only wish to pay for my shit. Taxes. Such is life. What do high property taxes in Texas pay for? School districts mostly. I don't have kids. See where I'm going with this... State income tax, property tax, vehicle taxes. All the same thing. You forgot 25% of the gas tax goes to school instead of roads So we get toll roads instead when ANY new road is needed. I'd be happy to pay 35 cents gas tax instead of 20 cents and not have toll roads, most of which are loosing money.
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First off, welcome to Texas. We'd much rather get your type than the California transplants. You can't tell so much from this thread, but Texas is a great state, and Texans are good, friendly people. By the way, the ranges around DFW are lame.  And everybody knows it. But Texas has been covered up with people moving in for a long, long time now, and most of the "foreigners" are real free with their criticism. And while most of them are much more vehement than your comments, it just kind of strikes a nerve with some folks, especially when they hear, " back in <location> we did it better". So... the knee jerk reaction is to answer, "well tear your ass back to <location>".
So it comes as a surprise to most people that public land in Texas doesn't really exist beyond the State Parks. Texas is quite unique in the way it entered the Union, and so, as they say, Texas is owned by Texans, not the Government. So some solutions are to (1) join a private range, or if you can swing it, (2) buy some land, (3) make friends with people who already have land, or (4) go in with some buddies on a hunting lease. Unfortunately, I think maybe you just get started off on the wrong foot here. Take a breath, don't take it personal, and don't go away with hurt feelings. A couple of friendly suggestions; don't ask what beans go best in your chili, and don't ask who will let you take care of their hog problem by hunting their land for free. Stick around and I think you'll fit right in. |
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Poisson, First off, welcome to Texas. We'd much rather get your type than the California transplants. You can't tell so much from this thread, but Texas is a great state, and Texans are good, friendly people. By the way, the ranges around DFW are lame. And everybody knows it. But Texas has been covered up with people moving in for a long, long time now, and most of the "foreigners" are real free with their criticism. And while most of them are much more vehement than your comments, it just kind of strikes a nerve with some folks, especially when they hear, " back in <location> we did it better". So... the knee jerk reaction is to answer, "well tear your ass back to <location>".
So it comes as a surprise to most people that public land in Texas doesn't really exist beyond the State Parks. Texas is quite unique in the way it entered the Union, and so, as they say, Texas is owned by Texans, not the Government. So some solutions are to (1) join a private range, or if you can swing it, (2) buy some land, (3) make friends with people who already have land, or (4) go in with some buddies on a hunting lease. Unfortunately, I think maybe you just get started off on the wrong foot here. Take a breath, don't take it personal, and don't go away with hurt feelings. A couple of friendly suggestions; don't ask what beans go best in your chili, and don't ask who will let you take care of their hog problem by hunting their land for free. Stick around and I think you'll fit right in. This 100%. |
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Poisson, First off, welcome to Texas. We'd much rather get your type than the California transplants. You can't tell so much from this thread, but Texas is a great state, and Texans are good, friendly people. By the way, the ranges around DFW are lame. And everybody knows it. But Texas has been covered up with people moving in for a long, long time now, and most of the "foreigners" are real free with their criticism. And while most of them are much more vehement than your comments, it just kind of strikes a nerve with some folks, especially when they hear, " back in <location> we did it better". So... the knee jerk reaction is to answer, "well tear your ass back to <location>".
So it comes as a surprise to most people that public land in Texas doesn't really exist beyond the State Parks. Texas is quite unique in the way it entered the Union, and so, as they say, Texas is owned by Texans, not the Government. So some solutions are to (1) join a private range, or if you can swing it, (2) buy some land, (3) make friends with people who already have land, or (4) go in with some buddies on a hunting lease. Unfortunately, I think maybe you just get started off on the wrong foot here. Take a breath, don't take it personal, and don't go away with hurt feelings. A couple of friendly suggestions; don't ask what beans go best in your chili, and don't ask who will let you take care of their hog problem by hunting their land for free. Stick around and I think you'll fit right in. This 100%. I'm in this camp. |
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Poisson, First off, welcome to Texas. We'd much rather get your type than the California transplants. You can't tell so much from this thread, but Texas is a great state, and Texans are good, friendly people. By the way, the ranges around DFW are lame. And everybody knows it. But Texas has been covered up with people moving in for a long, long time now, and most of the "foreigners" are real free with their criticism. And while most of them are much more vehement than your comments, it just kind of strikes a nerve with some folks, especially when they hear, " back in <location> we did it better". So... the knee jerk reaction is to answer, "well tear your ass back to <location>".
So it comes as a surprise to most people that public land in Texas doesn't really exist beyond the State Parks. Texas is quite unique in the way it entered the Union, and so, as they say, Texas is owned by Texans, not the Government. So some solutions are to (1) join a private range, or if you can swing it, (2) buy some land, (3) make friends with people who already have land, or (4) go in with some buddies on a hunting lease. Unfortunately, I think maybe you just get started off on the wrong foot here. Take a breath, don't take it personal, and don't go away with hurt feelings. A couple of friendly suggestions; don't ask what beans go best in your chili, and don't ask who will let you take care of their hog problem by hunting their land for free. Stick around and I think you'll fit right in. Ding ding And yes beans and free hunting are fighting words |
