[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Open Carry Badges? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/30/2015 11:23:22 AM EDT
| This may have been covered already but I didn't see it. I've noticed a lot of local PDs putting out educational videos on the OC law going into effect because, well... people are stupid. So I started wondering if having one of those "armed citizen" badges that look like a real badge would help appease the stupidness of the masses and not have the cops come and waste their time on a non-law breaker. I am NOT advocating falsely representing yourself as a peace officer verbally or otherwise. Just looking for a solution that will keep all the panty wetters from freaking out. I don't plan on OCing but if I do at some point I'd rather not have to deal with the mess. Flame away.... |
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This may have been covered already but I didn't see it. I've noticed a lot of local PDs putting out educational videos on the OC law going into effect because, well... people are stupid. So I started wondering if having one of those "armed citizen" badges that look like a real badge would help appease the stupidness of the masses and not have the cops come and waste their time on a non-law breaker. I am NOT advocating falsely representing yourself as a peace officer verbally or otherwise. Just looking for a solution that will keep all the panty wetters from freaking out. I don't plan on OCing but if I do at some point I'd rather not have to deal with the mess. Flame away.... No flame here. This was actually discussed in the legislature as a way to determine whether a carrier is licensed. Right or wrong, it was rejected out of concern that LTC badge would be misunderstood to identify as LEO. |
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No flame here. This was actually discussed in the legislature as a way to determine whether a carrier is licensed. Right or wrong, it was rejected out of concern that LTC badge would be misunderstood to identify as LEO. Quoted:
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This may have been covered already but I didn't see it. I've noticed a lot of local PDs putting out educational videos on the OC law going into effect because, well... people are stupid. So I started wondering if having one of those "armed citizen" badges that look like a real badge would help appease the stupidness of the masses and not have the cops come and waste their time on a non-law breaker. I am NOT advocating falsely representing yourself as a peace officer verbally or otherwise. Just looking for a solution that will keep all the panty wetters from freaking out. I don't plan on OCing but if I do at some point I'd rather not have to deal with the mess. Flame away.... No flame here. This was actually discussed in the legislature as a way to determine whether a carrier is licensed. Right or wrong, it was rejected out of concern that LTC badge would be misunderstood to identify as LEO. Seems like a pretty easy solution to that though - "Nope. I'm not a cop. Have a nice day." And everyone goes on with life. What am I missing here? Are there lots of people running around looking for cops and the legislature was worried that someone might think someone was a cop when they weren't? Kinda like wearing a red golf shirt and khakis at Target? |
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Considering the amount of urban youth violence toward LEO in the world today I would assume you would make yourself less safe having a badge.
I fully intend to continue mostly CC but I will OC if it makes getting dressed easier (I.E. I want to wear my old non oversized pants again). I have serpa holster for when I do to lessen the chances of a grab and go. I'm not much into the herpaderp arguments either way, I understand there is a perceived greater risk with OC but I'll continue living my life as I see fit, taking what sensible precautions I can to mitigate possible outcomes should my card be pulled. |
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Why not just have a giant photo of your current CHL printed on a florescent shirt - there would be NO DOUBT that you are legal and it wouldn't cause the confusion that badges would. It kills two birds with one stone - LEO could easily ID you and the anti-gun crowd would stay away. WIN, WIN. |
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Why do you want to appease the masses? Wearing a badge accomplishes nothing. One would assume that if you're open carrying you are licensed to do so. Dispatchers will either advise callers of their stupidity or classify the call extremely low. Either way it is unlikely to effect you. So let the idiots make fools of themselves. Why would wearing a badge, when you already can not be stopped since no offense is being committed, help in any way? I can already see the "You just want to get a LTC so you can walk around with a badge and gun" arguments from the lib crowd.
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Considering the amount of urban youth violence toward LEO in the world today I would assume you would make yourself less safe having a badge. I fully intend to continue mostly CC but I will OC if it makes getting dressed easier (I.E. I want to wear my old non oversized pants again). I have serpa holster for when I do to lessen the chances of a grab and go. I'm not much into the herpaderp arguments either way, I understand there is a perceived greater risk with OC but I'll continue living my life as I see fit, taking what sensible precautions I can to mitigate possible outcomes should my card be pulled. Have a source for that? |
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Seems like a pretty easy solution to that though - "Nope. I'm not a cop. Have a nice day." And everyone goes on with life. What am I missing here? Are there lots of people running around looking for cops and the legislature was worried that someone might think someone was a cop when they weren't? Kinda like wearing a red golf shirt and khakis at Target? Quoted:
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This may have been covered already but I didn't see it. I've noticed a lot of local PDs putting out educational videos on the OC law going into effect because, well... people are stupid. So I started wondering if having one of those "armed citizen" badges that look like a real badge would help appease the stupidness of the masses and not have the cops come and waste their time on a non-law breaker. I am NOT advocating falsely representing yourself as a peace officer verbally or otherwise. Just looking for a solution that will keep all the panty wetters from freaking out. I don't plan on OCing but if I do at some point I'd rather not have to deal with the mess. Flame away.... No flame here. This was actually discussed in the legislature as a way to determine whether a carrier is licensed. Right or wrong, it was rejected out of concern that LTC badge would be misunderstood to identify as LEO. Seems like a pretty easy solution to that though - "Nope. I'm not a cop. Have a nice day." And everyone goes on with life. What am I missing here? Are there lots of people running around looking for cops and the legislature was worried that someone might think someone was a cop when they weren't? Kinda like wearing a red golf shirt and khakis at Target? I bet if you hung out in Target long enough you would be asked for help by customers. 
The logic argument had very little to do with the legislative debate. You should have heard the level of derp coming from the gun-control (aka - democratic) side of the legislative aisle as OC and campus carry were debated. As the saying goes: the two things you don't want to see made are sausage and laws. |
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Why do you want to appease the masses? Wearing a badge accomplishes nothing. One would assume that if you're open carrying you are licensed to do so. Dispatchers will either advise callers of their stupidity or classify the call extremely low. Either way it is unlikely to effect you. So let the idiots make fools of themselves. Why would wearing a badge, when you already can not be stopped since no offense is being committed, help in any way? I can already see the "You just want to get a LTC so you can walk around with a badge and gun" arguments from the lib crowd. Not to mention it's.... GAAAAAYYYYYY. Have a source for that? Quoted:
Why do you want to appease the masses? Wearing a badge accomplishes nothing. One would assume that if you're open carrying you are licensed to do so. Dispatchers will either advise callers of their stupidity or classify the call extremely low. Either way it is unlikely to effect you. So let the idiots make fools of themselves. Why would wearing a badge, when you already can not be stopped since no offense is being committed, help in any way? I can already see the "You just want to get a LTC so you can walk around with a badge and gun" arguments from the lib crowd. Not to mention it's.... GAAAAAYYYYYY. Quoted:
Considering the amount of urban youth violence toward LEO in the world today I would assume you would make yourself less safe having a badge. I fully intend to continue mostly CC but I will OC if it makes getting dressed easier (I.E. I want to wear my old non oversized pants again). I have serpa holster for when I do to lessen the chances of a grab and go. I'm not much into the herpaderp arguments either way, I understand there is a perceived greater risk with OC but I'll continue living my life as I see fit, taking what sensible precautions I can to mitigate possible outcomes should my card be pulled. Have a source for that? I assume if you're internet capable enough to post here you can visit news sites, media sites and have enough wherewithal to use Google. Remember, violence isn't only physical it's also intimidation and displays of force. |
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Why do you want to appease the masses? Wearing a badge accomplishes nothing. One would assume that if you're open carrying you are licensed to do so. Dispatchers will either advise callers of their stupidity or classify the call extremely low. Either way it is unlikely to effect you. So let the idiots make fools of themselves. Why would wearing a badge, when you already can not be stopped since no offense is being committed, help in any way? I can already see the "You just want to get a LTC so you can walk around with a badge and gun" arguments from the lib crowd. Not to mention it's.... GAAAAAYYYYYY. Have a source for that? Quoted:
Why do you want to appease the masses? Wearing a badge accomplishes nothing. One would assume that if you're open carrying you are licensed to do so. Dispatchers will either advise callers of their stupidity or classify the call extremely low. Either way it is unlikely to effect you. So let the idiots make fools of themselves. Why would wearing a badge, when you already can not be stopped since no offense is being committed, help in any way? I can already see the "You just want to get a LTC so you can walk around with a badge and gun" arguments from the lib crowd. Not to mention it's.... GAAAAAYYYYYY. Quoted:
Considering the amount of urban youth violence toward LEO in the world today I would assume you would make yourself less safe having a badge. I fully intend to continue mostly CC but I will OC if it makes getting dressed easier (I.E. I want to wear my old non oversized pants again). I have serpa holster for when I do to lessen the chances of a grab and go. I'm not much into the herpaderp arguments either way, I understand there is a perceived greater risk with OC but I'll continue living my life as I see fit, taking what sensible precautions I can to mitigate possible outcomes should my card be pulled. Have a source for that? I'm not thinking so much about appeasing the masses as much as I'm trying to think of a way to cut off the unnecessary calls to local LEOs. Which is also why I don't care if it's GAAAAYYYY. I don't plan on open carrying for the vast majority of time anyway. I'm just trying to think through an approach to this that will prevent a waste of resources and not get me in some kind of new trouble if I do end up OCing. Good feedback though. |
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Why do you want to appease the masses? Wearing a badge accomplishes nothing. One would assume that if you're open carrying you are licensed to do so. Dispatchers will either advise callers of their stupidity or classify the call extremely low. Either way it is unlikely to effect you. So let the idiots make fools of themselves. Why would wearing a badge, when you already can not be stopped since no offense is being committed, help in any way? I can already see the "You just want to get a LTC so you can walk around with a badge and gun" arguments from the lib crowd. Not to mention it's.... GAAAAAYYYYYY. Have a source for that? Quoted:
Why do you want to appease the masses? Wearing a badge accomplishes nothing. One would assume that if you're open carrying you are licensed to do so. Dispatchers will either advise callers of their stupidity or classify the call extremely low. Either way it is unlikely to effect you. So let the idiots make fools of themselves. Why would wearing a badge, when you already can not be stopped since no offense is being committed, help in any way? I can already see the "You just want to get a LTC so you can walk around with a badge and gun" arguments from the lib crowd. Not to mention it's.... GAAAAAYYYYYY. Quoted:
Considering the amount of urban youth violence toward LEO in the world today I would assume you would make yourself less safe having a badge. I fully intend to continue mostly CC but I will OC if it makes getting dressed easier (I.E. I want to wear my old non oversized pants again). I have serpa holster for when I do to lessen the chances of a grab and go. I'm not much into the herpaderp arguments either way, I understand there is a perceived greater risk with OC but I'll continue living my life as I see fit, taking what sensible precautions I can to mitigate possible outcomes should my card be pulled. Have a source for that? Really?? |
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I assume if you're internet capable enough to post here you can visit news sites, media sites and have enough wherewithal to use Google. Remember, violence isn't only physical it's also intimidation and displays of force. I didn't post the claim you did. Why would I search for your source? |
Just get this. 
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1471174 |
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Security Guards carry badges too. Should they stop so people don't think they are cops? Quoted:
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Cops carry badges. You are not a cop. Do not carry a badge and people won't think you're a cop. Use common sense, people. This is a HORRIBLE idea. Security Guards carry badges too. Should they stop so people don't think they are cops? TSA does too, so do many firefighters But only CHLs (and crossing guards) can have a sash! 
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TSA does too, so do many firefighters But only CHLs (and crossing guards) can have a sash! http://www.glockforum.net/forum/attachments/off-topic-discussion/2503d1377666165-drop-gun-i-said-drop-bam-bam-bam-p_080000833_1.jpg Quoted:
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Cops carry badges. You are not a cop. Do not carry a badge and people won't think you're a cop. Use common sense, people. This is a HORRIBLE idea. Security Guards carry badges too. Should they stop so people don't think they are cops? TSA does too, so do many firefighters But only CHLs (and crossing guards) can have a sash! http://www.glockforum.net/forum/attachments/off-topic-discussion/2503d1377666165-drop-gun-i-said-drop-bam-bam-bam-p_080000833_1.jpg |
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Ya you hear about so many grab and goes of a holstered weapon in the other states that have had OC for years. If you want to ease your fears of what OC will be like look at the states that have been free for a long time OC=nothing different that CC
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Considering the amount of urban youth violence toward LEO in the world today I would assume you would make yourself less safe having a badge. I fully intend to continue mostly CC but I will OC if it makes getting dressed easier (I.E. I want to wear my old non oversized pants again). I have serpa holster for when I do to lessen the chances of a grab and go. I'm not much into the herpaderp arguments either way, I understand there is a perceived greater risk with OC but I'll continue living my life as I see fit, taking what sensible precautions I can to mitigate possible outcomes should my card be pulled. |
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Security Guards carry badges too. Should they stop so people don't think they are cops? Quoted:
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Cops carry badges. You are not a cop. Do not carry a badge and people won't think you're a cop. Use common sense, people. This is a HORRIBLE idea. Security Guards carry badges too. Should they stop so people don't think they are cops? And they're also in a Uniform ................. which is apples to oranges. |
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I always though they should have poked a hole in the chl license and then you could wear it on a shoelace around your neck. Then if you really needed it, you could tie the shoelace to your trigger and have like a bumpfire setup. VIDEO VIDEO!!!! 
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Ya you hear about so many grab and goes of a holstered weapon in the other states that have had OC for years. If you want to ease your fears of what OC will be like look at the states that have been free for a long time OC=nothing different that CC Quoted:
Ya you hear about so many grab and goes of a holstered weapon in the other states that have had OC for years. If you want to ease your fears of what OC will be like look at the states that have been free for a long time OC=nothing different that CC Quoted:
Considering the amount of urban youth violence toward LEO in the world today I would assume you would make yourself less safe having a badge. I fully intend to continue mostly CC but I will OC if it makes getting dressed easier (I.E. I want to wear my old non oversized pants again). I have serpa holster for when I do to lessen the chances of a grab and go. I'm not much into the herpaderp arguments either way, I understand there is a perceived greater risk with OC but I'll continue living my life as I see fit, taking what sensible precautions I can to mitigate possible outcomes should my card be pulled. I have no fears about OC, don't know where you are getting that. I come from an OC state and have participated so... I simply stated I have a holster with some form of retention to help prevent a grab and go should it occur, not that it does often. |
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Why not? I haven't made the full mental journey on this question to identify pitfalls so educate me. Quoted:
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Even if it would stop an idiot from calling the cops, there is no way I'd parade around with one of those on. Why not? I haven't made the full mental journey on this question to identify pitfalls so educate me. Well, I'm offended that people think that only those with badges (i.e. government agents) should be the only people carrying guns, so I wouldn't want to encourage that line of thinking. |
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I have no fears about OC, don't know where you are getting that. I come from an OC state and have participated so... I simply stated I have a holster with some form of retention to help prevent a grab and go should it occur, not that it does often. Quoted:
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Ya you hear about so many grab and goes of a holstered weapon in the other states that have had OC for years. If you want to ease your fears of what OC will be like look at the states that have been free for a long time OC=nothing different that CC Quoted:
Considering the amount of urban youth violence toward LEO in the world today I would assume you would make yourself less safe having a badge. I fully intend to continue mostly CC but I will OC if it makes getting dressed easier (I.E. I want to wear my old non oversized pants again). I have serpa holster for when I do to lessen the chances of a grab and go. I'm not much into the herpaderp arguments either way, I understand there is a perceived greater risk with OC but I'll continue living my life as I see fit, taking what sensible precautions I can to mitigate possible outcomes should my card be pulled. I have no fears about OC, don't know where you are getting that. I come from an OC state and have participated so... I simply stated I have a holster with some form of retention to help prevent a grab and go should it occur, not that it does often. Did you find that source? |
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LOL there you go OP get yourself a CCW sash. Some of you guys worry about nothing. |
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Why not? I haven't made the full mental journey on this question to identify pitfalls so educate me. Quoted:
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Even if it would stop an idiot from calling the cops, there is no way I'd parade around with one of those on. Why not? I haven't made the full mental journey on this question to identify pitfalls so educate me. I dont want the hassles of a civil lawsuit because someone claims I presented myself as a cop. Not to mention, if I need a cop I want to know Im looking at a cop, not a fudd with a badge. Carry Badges are gay. You dont need visible proof that you have a permit. Law requires a permit to open carry a handgun. But the law does NOT allow Police Officers to stop and ask for proof of permit, just because someone IS carrying. Bottom line, if I have to identify myself with my license and ID, theres likely bigger issues. |
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This. I also come from a long time OC state and in those 25 years I lived there I cannot remember ever hearing about a grab and go. I'm just happy I don't have to wear oversized pants for IWB. I've always preferred OWB and now I have nothing to worry about with it showing if and when it does.
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I have no fears about OC, don't know where you are getting that. I come from an OC state and have participated so... I simply stated I have a holster with some form of retention to help prevent a grab and go should it occur, not that it does often. Quoted:
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Ya you hear about so many grab and goes of a holstered weapon in the other states that have had OC for years. If you want to ease your fears of what OC will be like look at the states that have been free for a long time OC=nothing different that CC Quoted:
Considering the amount of urban youth violence toward LEO in the world today I would assume you would make yourself less safe having a badge. I fully intend to continue mostly CC but I will OC if it makes getting dressed easier (I.E. I want to wear my old non oversized pants again). I have serpa holster for when I do to lessen the chances of a grab and go. I'm not much into the herpaderp arguments either way, I understand there is a perceived greater risk with OC but I'll continue living my life as I see fit, taking what sensible precautions I can to mitigate possible outcomes should my card be pulled. I have no fears about OC, don't know where you are getting that. I come from an OC state and have participated so... I simply stated I have a holster with some form of retention to help prevent a grab and go should it occur, not that it does often. |
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I always though they should have poked a hole in the chl license and then you could wear it on a shoelace around your neck. Then if you really needed it, you could tie the shoelace to your trigger and have like a bumpfire setup. VIDEO VIDEO!!!! http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/ATF_Ruling_2004-09-30_String_Trick.jpg I am trying to imagine how the string described in that letter would work, and it is not clicking. Maybe after more coffee. |
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Where does the law say the police can ask for your LTC or CHL or whatever it is now when they see you OCing? I am curious. I thought the politicians kicked this to death and back again. Real question. Yeah, I thought that was eliminated in the final version of the bill. |
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Yeah, I thought that was eliminated in the final version of the bill. Quoted:
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Where does the law say the police can ask for your LTC or CHL or whatever it is now when they see you OCing? I am curious. I thought the politicians kicked this to death and back again. Real question. Yeah, I thought that was eliminated in the final version of the bill. Yes. You are referring to the Dutton amendment. It was killed in committee. Dutton is a DEM and put the amendment in to address racial profile stops. RE: the OC stop to verify LTC. It is still written in the penal code that it is illegal. (TXInvenstigator will be along to give details.) |
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OP, Why not just have a giant photo of your current CHL printed on a florescent shirt - there would be NO DOUBT that you are legal and it wouldn't cause the confusion that badges would. It kills two birds with one stone - LEO could easily ID you and the anti-gun crowd would stay away. WIN, WIN. How about having your CHL tattooed on your forehead??? (I'm just joking of course). I live by the code "don't draw attention to yourself", so I will be CC. Nice to know if my shirt does come up no big deal. |
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even after the 1st its illegal to open carry a handgun in Texas. You can get a license to make it ok to open carry but by having a pistol openly carried the police have the right to check if you have the license that exempts you from the Illegal act of openly carrying a pistol
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Where does the law say the police can ask for your LTC or CHL or whatever it is now when they see you OCing? I am curious. I thought the politicians kicked this to death and back again. Real question. |
| I was at a meeting with the local Sheriff and the city PD, They have already had meetings with their dispatchers and told them what questions to ask the callers, officers do not have time to appease all of the antigun nonsense that they may hear. For the most part it will be a non issue. |
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I would like to pose some questions everyone should ask themselves. Not to be condescending just ask yourself these questions when pondering Open Carry of Handguns provided you are in possession of a Texas CHL;
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even after the 1st its illegal to open carry a handgun in Texas. You can get a license to make it ok to open carry but by having a pistol openly carried the police have the right to check if you have the license that exempts you from the Illegal act of openly carrying a pistol There are a variety of scenarios where OC is not an illegal act without a license. This is why it is so complicated. |
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Where does the law say the police can ask for your LTC or CHL or whatever it is now when they see you OCing? I am curious. I thought the politicians kicked this to death and back again. Real question. There is nothing in the bill that prevents it. In fact, it is STILL generally unlawful to carry a handgun on or about your person. (penal code 46.02) Penal code 46.15 (b) states that 46.02 does not apply to a person who is carrying with a license. Therefore, if a LEO observes someone carrying a handgun (outside of the exceptions in 46.02) , he has probable cause to believe that there is a violation of 46.02. He can arrest upon probable cause. If you display your LTC, then you show him you meet the non-applicability. |